In my recollections, I have been to three Mets one hitters in my life. There was the one I went to when I was too young to remember ( I always thought it was Bruce Berenji , but I rechecked and he never had one with the Mets). There was the second to last game of the ’07 season n which John Maine combined with two other relievers for a one hit shutout against the then lowly Florida Marlins ( in a sense postponing the pain of being eliminated from going to the post season). And now last nights Jon Niese gem. This game was as crisp as you could expect from a game that was so close to perfect. You had awesome fielding plays by Wright , Ike and Jose. There was clutch hitting by Frenchie and the Animal . There was even a triple play against us ( I was surprised by how slow Ruben Tejada was when he hit into that triple play)) . But it all came down to a 3-2 pitch to some never heard of centerfielder named Chris Denofria, who once again took away what was rightfully ours as Mets fans – A PERFECT GAME !!!.Yes Mr. Denofria you have now joined the ranks of such uninspiring players such as Jimmy Qualls in ’69 and John Curtis in ’74 that have ruined previous bids of Mets pitching perfection. But you know what ? Last night Jon Niese came into his own in front of myself and about 25,000 of the Mets faithful last night. The season is still early, but this could possibly be the turning point in the season. Follow me here, we are about to go on the road against two of the worst teams in the American League today in Cleveland and Baltimore. Even if we go 4-2 we can possibly be in first place before we face the Yankees on their turf next Friday night.
This team of late has been electric – from come from behind wins, to lights out pitching by Johan, Big Pelf, Dickey and Niese, even the skeptical Mets fan has to admit that this season is far from the milquetoast one we expected. One random note. I know that yesterday was Jesus Feliciano’s first major league game ever after 13 years in the minors , but so far he has proven why he is a AAAA player.
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And with that said… HERE COMES THE INFAMY !!!
Happy Birthday wishes go out to the first power hitter in Mets history, Frank Thomas (1929) From ’62 – ’64 Thomas hit 52 homers and knocked in 173 r.b.i’s in 342 games as a Met.
Happy Birthday José Reyes !!!! (1983) May you go 5-5 , score five runs and steal 3 bases today you spark-plug of the Mets !!!
Sadly on this date in ’07 former bullpen coach from ’84-87, Vern Hoscheit passed away.
New York Mets traded the their extremely hated shortstop,Tony Fernandez to the Toronto Blue Jays for past his prime outfielder, Darrin Jackson on June 11, 1993. Fernandez at the time supplanted Richie Hebner as the player who obviously never wanted to be a Met . Us Mets fans sensed this and whenever he botched a play or struck out , we let him know the feeling was mutual .
New York Mets released middle reliever, Paul Gibson on June 11, 1993.
New York Mets signed free agent pitcher, Danny Graves on June 11, 2005.
And today’s Mo Vaughn tidbit – He relates more to “Howling Mad” Murdoch than B.A Baracus.
167 comments
ceetar
6/11/2010-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
hey, give Jesus a break, it was only his first ‘day’.
I’m now 6-1 on the season (2-0 when I see Rusty at the park..)
I’ll be at the next two Sunday games (Orioles, Yanks) so they’ll have to be good on the road for me.
I thought this was my first one-hitter, but Greg’s Faith and Fear post reminded me of Maine’s combined one from ’07. So much was going on that day that I forgot Maine actually took the no-hitter into the 8th.
trs86
6/11/2010-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Why on Earth should we give Jogging Feliciano a break?
ceetar
6/11/2010-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
plenty of players go 0-4? 5 AB is a small sample size to kill a guy over?
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
Ceetar, sometimes you are ridiculous.
A guy who has been a minor leaguer forever, I believe his agent was giving the Mets public grief about bringing him up, and his FIRST MLB at bat he jogs like a millionaire slacker?
He should have been yanked from the game and sent down instantly. He sucks, he is nothing, and after what we witnessed last year regarding basic fundamental play, this should not have been tolerated, as one loser can infect other players who are on the bubble as far as consistent hustle goes.
I think Chris Carter sucks too, but I would imagine he hustles more going to the bathroom in the middle of the night than Feliciano did that first at bat.
How many guys in the minors would give their left nut to have the chance Feliciano was given, and he can’t even frigin run hard to first base?
Weak.
njstuckintx
6/11/2010-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
How can you say the Animal sucks? For a bench guy, the guy’s done nothing but hit so far.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
OK, yeah, maybe he is a decent bench player, but good pitchers seem to toy with him.
Sucks was too strong a word; I was trying to favorably compare him to Feliciano, as Carter has also been a career minor leaguer and sure seems to appreciate the chance he has to be here.
njstuckintx
6/11/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
Ok, see the point you were making. And yes, I think you are right in that Carter appreciates all he is given.
ceetar
6/11/2010-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
I didn’t know he didn’t run, for one. Radio guys either didn’t mention it or I was working during that portion of the broadcast.
yes, he should’ve run, but 75%+ of major leaguers don’t run hard to first base anyway, and if he’s going to help the team more than GMJ ( a given) or the other options right now, then he should be here. I don’t have to like him. And Manuel (ha) should probably sit him down and tell him “we don’t play like that here.”
The guy had a billion things going through his head from disappointment to “OMG I’m finally in the major leagues shoot I just made out i didn’t want to make out crap these pitchers are shutting us down today.” It’s not an excuse, but if you cut everyone that doesn’t do things 100% correctly we wouldn’t have a team.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
OK, well I was happily watching, and it was blatant, and Keith made some harsh comments.
Ideally, as a fan, yeah, I would love to see everyone run like Pete Rose every time out, and I know that is not realistic.
But this is a special case—the guy is 31, is not a multi-tool player, had an agent badgering the Mets to bring him up, and his very first at bat he cannot run hard?
I mean, yeah, it is disappointing when on occasion Reyes or Wright don’t run their hardest, but they are established stars with loads of skills.
Again, every player has the ability to hustle 100% of the time, and to me that sent a screaming message about this individual’s attitude, habits, and professionalism that he could not run hard in his first MLB AB at age 31.
Strange to me. I sure as hell would have been running hard.
“And Manuel (ha) should probably sit him down and tell him “we don’t play like that here.†”
Might be worthy of a “ha” but this is precisely what should have happened; had it, Jerry’s standing would have instantly skyrocketed in the eyes of his players, his bosses, and the fans.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
It’s not just the message that it sends. I just don’t get why everyone was clamoring for a 31 year old slap hitting AAAA OF.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
TRS, you read my mind.
No power, little speed, draws few walks, and played way over his head for 6 weeks in AAA at age 31. Woop-de-damn-do.
GMJ would have been better than this guy. But I am glad he is gone.
ceetar
6/11/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
yes, but was Manuel a manager that sat guys down like that Jerry’s standing wouldn’t need to skyrocket in the eyes of anyone.
I can’t excuse it, it’s a bad thing. But I just can’t get worked up about it. Players don’t run hard, they don’t use two hands to catch things. Very few players play all 162 games out at full speed, and the ones that do are usually overcompensating. 31 year old rookies _should_ be doing it though.
Obviously there is a difference between Feliciano and Fernando Martinez. but then again, there really isn’t. Both are players, regardless of what “baseball people” think, are players that haven’t done anything in the major leagues. It’s precisely the attitude that favors F-Mart over Feliciano that never got him a callup earlier. There is a lot of assumption about minor leaguers of a certain age, or that don’t show certain specific skills. Sure, Feliciano probably isn’t anything, but if he stuck and hit .315 this year no one should really be surprised. There is a lot of bias in baseball about how things should be done and shouldn’t be done, and just because a guy doesn’t fit a mold doesn’t mean they can’t succeed.
still not an excuse not to run though.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
I agree with much of this, I really do, except please cite me a few (or ONE) example of a guy with Feliciano’s career profile who hit .315 in the majors.
Very similar to the silly folk who thought the career bum Figgy was all of a sudden going to be a reliable starter after sucking for over a decade. Just doesn’t happen.
Feliciano ain’t hitting .315 at the MLB level.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
Why in the world should I NOT be surprised if a career minor league player came up and hit .300 as a 5th OF hopefully never playing more than 3AB’s a week?
trs86
6/11/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
That’s bull Ceetar. Stop making excuses for a 31 year old minor leaguer who “finally” gets the opprotunity that he is “owed”.
ceetar
6/11/2010-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
I don’t really feel like having this argument with you. Gary Matthews jr was a washed up waste of space. _you_ would be better on the team then him.
Everyone deserves a shot, especially guys that tear up the minors repeatedly, regardless of age, especially when there isn’t a stand out better option.
Just because it’s not a guy that hits for power doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value (but is probably why he has never been called up before, even last year)
trs86
6/11/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Ceetar, thinking that Feliciano will be any more talented than GMJR is a waste of thought. GMJR was/is terrible but at least at some point in his life had MLB talent. Felciano does not. It’s not about GMJR, it’s about Feliciano. Bring up Pridie, bring up anyone but Jogging Feliciano. And if you are bringing him up lets not say it’s because he deserves it or it’s owed to him. Seriously the guy was a minor league FA last year and no one wanted him. I get so tired of people making a hero out of guys like Figgy and Joggy.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
And yes I know Pridie is injured. Look there is no doubt they cut GMJR not because he sucks, obviously he does, but because of media and fan pressure to make a move. In the process we are now stuck with Joggy. If you are that upset with GMJR’s 3AB’s a week then go out and find a AAA player to trade for that has a chance of being a serviceable MLB player. Replacing GMJR with Feliciano is at MOST a step to the side.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
“Joggy”!
That’s great!
Thanks for this one!
metsfan4decades
6/11/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Well, we fans gave Fmart a pass soon after his failed to run a pop up out in his debut….
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
That also was terrible, but FMart is a hugely talented kid, not a 31 year old career minor leaguer nothing who should be thanking his lucky starts he got a chance at the big time.
Feliciano should have been yanked and told to get the hell out of the clubhouse after his first at bat.
There is one thing ALL pro athletes, regardless of their skill level, can do, and that is hustle.
Inexcusable.
metsgirl31
6/11/2010-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
I don’t agree in either situation but I’d be more inclined to give a pass to a 20 year old than a 31 or 32 year old career minor leaguer getting his first real shot. He should be trying to impress the hell out of everyone involved with the team and thats not the way to go about it.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
Bingo.
Precisely what I was trying to say.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
That’s a lot different. Fmart is and was a kid. This guy is one of the older guys on our team.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
Think about these for a minute.
4,425 PA in the minor leagues has produced this line
.285, .335, .340, .681
Before this short season his HIGH in OPS has been .782 in 2007. This season his OBP was 90 points higher than his career average and 80 points above last season. Like that is really sustainable.
In 4,425 PA he has been an average to BELOW average minor leaguer. Period.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
Well, now I am starting to think he did it to get publicity. We are all talking about a complete bum who will be gone within weeks most likely!
trs86
6/11/2010-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
Nah his agent said that he and his client believed the Mets OWED him a shot.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I was joking.
Your point is, to me, one which makes this situation that much more ridiculous and unacceptable.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
Not only that but now we have a big void in OF depth in the minors. Our OF last night.
Russ Adams LF
Val RF
Emanuel Garcia CF.
Feliciano breaks his 31 year old body what then?
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
Someone good replaces him?
trs86
6/11/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
That’s my point we are thin there. As much as I dislike GMJR there was no reason to release him to get comparable results, pay him anyway and deplete an already thin group.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Tough call.
I honestly think that Jacobs, GMJ, Ollie and even Maine not being around the last few weeks HAS to be at least part of the reason for the renaissance and the great camaraderie as well.
Everyone knew all four of those guys would fail, and fail consistently.
njstuckintx
6/11/2010-9:20am at 9:20 am (UTC -4)
Niese I would have figured would be a 5, maybe a 4 this year. Never did I imagine he would step up like this. Nice job, Niese. Keep it up and tell your buddies to do what you are.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-9:20am at 9:20 am (UTC -4)
It was great to Niese have a near perfect outing last night. Too bad that Chris Denofrickin had that double. It would have been the first perfect game with triple play…
Let’s go get some wins on the road now!!! LGM!
metsfan4decades
6/11/2010-9:22am at 9:22 am (UTC -4)
Happy Birthday, Jose! 27 years young…
I said during ST that I believed what was going to make or break the team this year was SP (aside from staying healthy which is becoming the caveat when talking about the Mets).
Last night went a long way towards solidifying 3 very good SPs in this rotation. Add R.A. Dickey who might just be very serviceable the rest of the way and that leaves us with finding a 5th. Will it be Maine, Ollie or someone from outside the organization is anyone’s guess. But if we get that reliable starter in this rotation, to me there is no reason we cannot compete for the division title.
It’s so much more fun when we’re in it to win it, as opposed to waiting for the season to play out – ala 2009…..
stickguy
6/11/2010-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
I would like to see them go for some health and stability with a mid-tier guy like Myers or Guthrie (at hopefully a modest talent cost). Even millwood or washburn, for more $ but an even more modest talent cost!
I agree that they have 3 spots taken care of. ANd dickey just might be able to anchor down the 5 hole.
But, I do suspect they are going to try and piecemeal the last spot. Taka for now, maine in a week or 2, ollie at some point. At least until those guys prove 100% they can’t do it (and yes, I know many feel MO have already done that, but they will be afforded 1 more try).
Actually, if MO rehab on schedule, that would put them late June/early July making their last try, which leads in perfectly to the peak trading time.
Me, I would try to pry someone loose now, to get taka back in the pen, and worry about what happens if one or both of MO look serviceable.
ANd if they did, my answer to the logjam would be Maine in the pen, Ollie traded to someone desperate.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
agreed. if the Mets get the ball rolling now with good pitching outings, they might rise to the top and stay there.
trs86
6/11/2010-9:35am at 9:35 am (UTC -4)
Honestly if those 4 can keep churning out more quality starts than not, we can afford to experiment in the #5 slot for another month or so. What would be nice is that we just skip that spot some with all the off days. I know we are “protecting” Johan but as we have seen in the past he is much sharper on normal rest.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
I’m still little iffy on Dickey. Sure he’ll probably give you 6-7IP/ 3-4ER every time out, but if you can make him the 5th starter, then it’s all the better.
I guess the Mets can experiment for awhile, but trading for a solid #3/4 guy soon is the better way to go.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
No doubt but I am not sure on of those guys will REALLY be available before the AS break.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-9:22am at 9:22 am (UTC -4)
Oh BTW, we need to give credit where the credit is due. So I give credit to Warthen on making good progress on Niese and Pelf this season. HoJo.. not so much….
njstuckintx
6/11/2010-9:27am at 9:27 am (UTC -4)
I think that Warthen isn’t a bad pitching coach, but he has only 1 way of presenting his information to the pitchers. So, some understand it and use it and grow. Others, it’s like they are being spoken to in Chinese (or English, if they only speak Chinese). Now, take Duncan as a coach. He can make anyone/everyone better as I think he alters his communication styles to each pitcher. I think Warthen not getting thru to Maine or Ollie (even though I’m not sure anyone could do that) ended up breaking them.
ceetar
6/11/2010-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
I think Pelfrey was due to be good anyway, but you gotta credit the pitching coach for the results, since that’s how these things generally work, even if they shouldn’t.
Also credit Omar for having the guts and evaulation to trust Niese in the rotation from the get go. We had no idea what to expect out of him and that’s part of the reason the Mets were picked to finish so low. But it’s looking like Omar was right, Niese has been solid. Dickey and Takahashi actually turned out to be good depth guys.
stickguy
6/11/2010-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
I credit whoever taught Pelf the splitter. That guy, and the shrink he saw.
Was it Warthen that gave him the split, or someone else?
fongy2
6/11/2010-9:26am at 9:26 am (UTC -4)
Happy Birthday indeed Jose!
Rusty, mes think Tony Fernandez supplanted JUAN SAMUEL who supplanted
Richie Hebner as guys who didn’t want to be a Met from the moment they arrived….Just sayin’….
rustyjr
6/11/2010-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
Thanks fong I was trying to forget stupid Sammy lol
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
Hey, I saw you mocking Mother Love Bone on the other thread! They were good!
And if Andy Wood had not died in the winter of 1990, the world would have been spared Pearl Jam’s contrived nutless weak drivel, and Eddie Vedder would be just another drunk surfer in San Diego!
rustyjr
6/11/2010-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Lol my grind I guess I shoulda went with hole lol
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-11:03am at 11:03 am (UTC -4)
Haha…actually Hole was really good before they became famous! Just another cool LA band that used to come to Seattle before Courtney started dating Billy Corgan and Kurt Cobain and decided she was a star.
Mocking Pearl Jam will always bring a smile to my face! Everyone thought they were mockable sellouts when they first started out.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
So my guess is that Omar will evaluate Maine’s 2-3 outings and then decide on trading for a SP. However the proactive thing to do is to get the SP right now and make Maine/Dickey/Taka compete for a spot. Meanwhile you also need to evaluate how the BP is doing and make proper adjustments so that if Maine/Dickey/Taka doesn’t pan out in the rotation, you make the right move to BP.
trs86
6/11/2010-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
Well right now unless they make a trade Dickey already has a spot in my opinion. Yeah Maine, Taka, Perez, maybe a guy from the minors should all be tested out between now and the trade deadline for that last spot.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
I think Dickey should be the #5 guy. and if you get a SP like Millwood/Westbrook/whoever to fill in #3/4 it makes this team that much stronger.
I honestly don’t care if Maine/Ollie gets another shot at the rotation. But most likely, they will get another shot because of $$ spent.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
I think #’s are overrated. Obviously if we bring someone in it needs to be at least a mid-tier guy.
saltygary
6/11/2010-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
No matter what happens I hope there are looking into a trade for a starter.
njstuckintx
6/11/2010-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
Agreed Salty. And I need you to not do so good over the weekend, FBB speaking.
saltygary
6/11/2010-9:52am at 9:52 am (UTC -4)
Yea you might have this week but my team has been on a nice role.
metsfan4decades
6/11/2010-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
I think this is the smart way to go for depth, if nothing else. We’ve all seen what can happen when one of your starting pitchers goes down long term….
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
Agreed and if they are going for depth, why not try to get a SP as soon as they can. Not waiting out till July.
saltygary
6/11/2010-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
Sellers are going to want to hold out to maximize return.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
To get the max return, you should trade right now. Because you’ll get longer service out of the new SP and also there aren’t any other pitchers available in the market right now.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
True but most teams also look at bottom dollar and don’t want to waive the white flag so early.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
I am sure they are BUT I am not sure there will be much out there for at least another month.
fongy2
6/11/2010-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
Lets not get crazy here!
This team still needs a #3SP if it
hopes to compete the entire season.
You have to take whatever you get from Dickey as gravy. You can’t count
on it from him.
saltygary
6/11/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
You don’t know how hard it is to not make a statement using your word Gravy and RA Dickey.
metsfan4decades
6/11/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
And I hope RA Dickey pitches solid enough to stay in the rotation the rest of the year for the entertainment value, if nothing else.
Poor guy….you know, growing up and going through life having that last name probably went a long way towards that young man being able to stand up to adversity and get the job done…
saltygary
6/11/2010-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
Oh it must of been brutal… I hope he sticks around for the sake of having a pitcher with a different look.
njstuckintx
6/11/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
The R in RA wasn’t for Richard, was it? Cause that would have been a disaster for him, but probably would have fast tracked him for a career in the adult entertainment industry.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
No it was not. LOL. I think it’s Robert.
metsfan4decades
6/11/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
I know this has been said but credit Omar for the catching duo we’ve got.
No way to really verify this but I’m positive they – especially Barajas – have gone a long way in calling the type of games our young arms can get the job done with. Niese was quoted as saying in a previous start: ‘I just threw what Rod called’.
Both apparently have no problem either catching a knucle ball with very little misses.
The offense from those two is just icing on the cake.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
AGREED!
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
+ Infinity.
During the spring, I knew these guys were going to be real good.
Especially Blanco-he did a great job with SD, and in other stops, and while the brain-dead numbskull population was shouting their “Washed-up Latino! Small market!” nonsense, it was pretty clear that Blanco has always been a valuable player, and signing him to be a backup when SD let him go over money was precisely what a big-market team does.
These two are just a fantastic duo.
QnsNative718
6/11/2010-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
Ive never seen a man with eyes so close together, as with Blanco. Whatever, he’s pullin his weight. Btw, Brock, IM NOT STUPID!!!!!
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:39am at 10:39 am (UTC -4)
You work in a car wash and a nightclub!
School never occurred to you??
Are these lizard? No, they’re Italian. They’re embossed leather with this reptilian pattern….I’m gonna f***** buy these.
metsfan4decades
6/11/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Even with a herniated disc in his neck, Blanco is ready to go when called. I think Schneider was on the DL almost a third to half the time he was with the Mets – and he was younger! Castro, as we all know, had an arthritic back that precluded him from being used more often – not to mention the fact he was quoted as saying he didn’t want to play everyday.
And Barajas….he’s been banged up from top to bottom so far this year and he just keeps on going out there.
I ask: What’s not to like?
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
“I ask: What’s not to like?”
The fact that they are not each 25 years old is all I can think of.
QnsNative718
6/11/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
Was at last night’s game. Checked out the Mets HOF. Very impressed. Gotta racing stripes Lenny Dykstra jersey. Niese was simply masterful. A pitching staff of Santana, Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey (After a handful of starts I think he can be trusted… for now), is one good looking rotation minus the 5SP. They all bring different looks to the game. Filthy stuff… ok, that is all, talk to you next month.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
Qns buddy, I hope life is good!
Now go out tomorrow and get some of that Saturday Night Beav**!!
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
I think what Feliciano did not running hard was wrong but to say now well look at that that’s it get rid of him is over blown.
The guy is here to root against him is to root against the Mets so I hope people will not be rooting for him to fail.
If he can help us win games we will soon know and I for one hope he can help us win games.
If he can’t help us win games he’ll be gone before we know it.
I just don’t think he should be condemned to the pits of Tartarus for one mistake. It is your right to not like him as I know some even liked GMJ and as a fan your entitled to like or dislike whatever player you want but I hope no one goes as far as root against him after 5 at bats.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
Well, not hustling here and there during a long and productive MLB career is one thing…but not hustling down the line in your FIRST MLB at bat after a decade in the minors?
Very very different in my gentle, modest, and quietly expressed opinion.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
I thought he struck out first AB.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
Sorry, he grounded out and jogged to first.
Because he is a loser.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
You know, maybe loser is too harsh. Maybe he’s just to arthritic from riding minor league buses for 14 years to be able to actually run hard.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
We talkin’ about Jesus here. You don’t want to mess with Jesus.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
Hell I will be the first to admit I was wrong and done the Joggy T-shirt if he turns out. I would never root against a Met. Not sure who this was directed too. I am just saying that a minor league guy with almost 4,500 PA that has a career average that Slappy would laugh at, most likely does not belong on this team and certainly should not come in jogging.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
Your entitled to feel he does not belong on the team as I was entitled to feel GMJ did not belong on the team and like I said already we will soon know if he belongs cause he won’t be able to hide from the limelight up here. The fact is the guys has been raking down in AAA hitting nearly .400 and from all reports (not counting his agent) he is one of those guys that always seems to be in the middle of a rally.
He messed up agreed no one is denying that.
I said as much last night and I am down on him but the talks of sending him down because he messed up and jogged that one time seems a bit much.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
Nah I don’t want to send him down because he jogged, I never wanted him up and want him gone because he stinks. I will root for him like I do all Mets. But even you have to admit that most likely he’s a step sideways from GMJR. Look at his career averages. He was playing over his head this year. Never had an OPS over .800 in the minors until this year. Maybe he proves me wrong. My hope is that he only gets the GMJR 3 AB’s a week so it won’t matter.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-10:59am at 10:59 am (UTC -4)
I can’t say he stinks yet but right now if because of him GMJ is gone I am happy he is here.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
Hey maybe we can get a scrub pitcher with a terrible minor league career ERA to come up and take Ollie’s spot and we will all be happy just because Ollie is not here.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-11:17am at 11:17 am (UTC -4)
I understand TRS. You simply miss GMJ.
It’s ok I know where your coming from.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:22am at 11:22 am (UTC -4)
NJ it REALLY has nothing to do with GMJR but hey why not make it that way.
There was no point in releasing him to bring up Feliciano. None. If they had someone clearly better then I was all for it. I don’t even like GMJR but the fact is he was not a problem the last month he was here. To cave to fan and media pressure to bring up a career minor leaguer and celebrate it like the Mets “getting it right” is ridiculous. Bring up Evans, Pridie (should have made it out of ST) go find Reed, Sullivan or make a trade. But to make a big deal out of a scrub like Joggy is just plain silly and reminiscent of the same garbage we heard about Mr. DFA Figgy.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
Oh well, you know where that leaves us right TRS?
We will have to agree to disagree once again.
Hey how about that Niese last night he pitched one hell of a game right?
metsfan4decades
6/11/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
Not running out that ball was not right in any way, shape or form.
But I’m more inclined to give just about everyone a pass for a first mistake then to condemn for life.
I think this is much ado about nothing b/c I don’t think Jesus is going to be any kind of difference maker and highly doubt he’ll be on the team next year – even if he stays up rest of this year.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
Agreed His future with Mets are slim to none.
trs86
6/11/2010-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
Agreed, the not running thing is not as big (although it’s just plain curious) as the fact that I don’t get why so many wanted him up and in turn expect him to be good or even decent. I hope I am wrong.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-11:00am at 11:00 am (UTC -4)
I hope your wrong also.
ceetar
6/11/2010-11:06am at 11:06 am (UTC -4)
To be fair, I wanted Pridie first but he got hurt, or Evans, or another corner and just let Bay backup Cf once a month.
But I don’t care what Feliciano did in 2003. I know he played well last year and this. I know Cora thought well of him. I know Beltran is seemingly ‘progressing’. I know he’s only going to get a couple of AB anyway and It’s virtually impossible to be worse than GMJ who very obviously doesn’t have anything, so to keep a guy who very obviously doesn’t have anything is silly. The Mets chose Jesus, and they know better than me anyway.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:13am at 11:13 am (UTC -4)
How is it impossible to be worse than GMJR? Also, even last year his OPS was under .800 in AAA.
.364 .417 .455 .871
That was GMJR’s last 28 days. Yes he sucks but what is the point of getting rid of that for a career minor leaguer that has 4,500 PA and never had an OPS over .782 and a career mark under .700.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
I guess Jerry could be right saying that facing the knuckleballer can throw off the hitters for a series.
I’m not sure if it’s a coincidence or not being able to use the binoculars, but Phillies faced back-to-back knuckleballers in Wakefield and Dickey. Since then they are 5-11 with 5 shutouts.
The hitters are hitting .225 with .611 OPS. Could be coincidence or could be the binoculars, but it sure is wonderful.
metsfan4decades
6/11/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
And Halladay is 2-4 in his last 6 starts. More a testament of non existent offense than in his pitching abilities but either way, more better for us.
stickguy
6/11/2010-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
regarding SP, I am surprised that no team has signed Maya yet. Pretty much anyone interested must have made an offer by now? Unless his agent is holding out for crazy money, and oping that some team blinks (getting desperate), what the hell is he waiting for?
Getting close to the point where he wouldn’t be able to help a team this year anyway if he doesn’t sign soon.
Still seems like a natural fit for the Mets.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
Maybe he isn’t that good.
njstuckintx
6/11/2010-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
Or we are straying away from Los Mets and going towards Mets-san. I jest, I jest…
stickguy
6/11/2010-11:00am at 11:00 am (UTC -4)
maybe. But, plenty of teams watched him work out, and obviously had interest.
So unless he was so horrid no one made an offer, he must have gotten a pretyt clear sense of what his market value is.
So maybe he is holding out hoping for more? ALthough you would think at some point getting paid would be a good thing for the guy!
stickguy
6/11/2010-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
wow, we found out who Knogs (did that on purpose!) new favorite met is.
I did not see that play. And, have no idea exactly what was going through his mind. But I never read anything about him in th eminors to suggest he was a dog.
So, I will assume that someone in the clubhouse (Jerry’s job, so no idea who would actually do it) had the “come to Jesus” talk with him (a joke. get it?) about how that will never happen again.
Did he bust his hump on his remaining ABs? As long as he does in the future (every time), I will give him a mulligan on the 1st one.
And I know TRS doesn’t like him, but he honestly couldn’t be worse than GM unless he was dead. And even then, it might be a toss up.
and depth? If he does completely crap the bed, there are plenty of other career MiL OFs floating around that you can get cheap. There is no shortage of guys like Sullivan looking for another taste of the majors. Or of course, Beltran could surface in Queens! Nah, that ain’t happening.
Or they call up a more legit bat (Evans, Hessman) and just let Pagan play everyday, with Bay/Frnechy as the emergency guys.
So, I am not going to sweat losing GM out of the system, even if Feliciano doesn’t work out.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:00am at 11:00 am (UTC -4)
It’s not the sweat of losing GMJR it’s the point of why they did it. A bunch of fans looking at the internet saying man look at that batting average and look at GMJR. This guy is awesome and GMJR sucks. What are the Mets doing???? LOL. The guy has a career .681 OPS in almost 4,500 minor league PA. What’s the point?
stickguy
6/11/2010-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
maybe it was throwing some meat to the hungry lions, but since those lions line the Wilpons wallets, they get fed every so often.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
Agreed, that’s all it was but again it’s being portrayed as the Mets “finally getting something right” “this guy has to be better… look at his numbers”.
Well I am saying REALLY look at his numbers, he is almost destined to stink like he has for 4,500 PA.
Kingman 26
6/11/2010-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
Agreed on GMJ. Losing him is a plus.
Evans over Feliciano? In a second.
Sincerely yours,
Knogman
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-11:22am at 11:22 am (UTC -4)
I have to agree also. Now that GMJ is gone the Mets can bring up Evans or Prdie but I think he is on the dl according to Ceetar’s earlier comment. The point being the hardest part which was finally getting the Mets to release GMJ is done. Now we are free to play with ideas of whom best replaces him.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Then why not wait until Pridie is healthy to release him? That’s the point I am making. He’s getting 3AB’s a week, hitting over .300 the last month. He was not currently a problem so wait until you have someone clearly better instead of someone that is clearly a step to the side at BEST.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
Hey! Did you see how Niese did last night?
Freaking awesome right?
trs86
6/11/2010-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
Yup.
stickguy
6/11/2010-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
I agree with these 2 fine gentlemen.
GM (yes real, his #s looked OK in the last month, in very limited ABs so too small a sample size to mean much) was not adding any noticable value. But, he did have some contract “entanglements”. Once those are gone, the last bench spot is back to being a catch all for whatever they need at the monent.
Blanco shelved for another couple of days? Jesus down, Santos up.
Cora need a couple of days? Jesus down, MI scrub up.
Same idea if they need an emergency pitcher.
COuldn’t do that with GM.
ANd if Jesus clearly proves he does not belong, they can make a move to get a better bat. Probably would have been good to do it now, with DH time coming up, but I don’t make the decisions.
I got no problem with Bay or Frenchy being the BU CF. Either one of them should be able to handle in a pinch, and Bay has even done it in the past.
And if Pagan had a problem, F Mart is back playing, and Kirk is heating up again!
trs86
6/11/2010-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
I can see that point in that it gives more roster flexibility. But the point on the numbers is very relevant. He may not add any noticeable value but neither will Feliciano in that limited sample. If he was getting more AB’s maybe but then Jerry should really be fired for giving him more AB’s.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
I got a couple, tree tings here.
First, I know it goes against everything we know as English speakers but it’s Denorfia not Denofria.
Second, I was as surprised as you at how slow Ruben Tejada was. It sure didn’t appear like he was dogging it, just that he can’t run very fast. My estimation of his long term future just got smaller.
Third, speaking of dogging it, having slept on it I’m still very disappointed in Jesus’ lack of alacrity in getting down the 1B line. Forgive me Father but he ran like he had a cross on his back.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
2 Hail Mary’s for that one.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
Steps aside waiting for lightning strike.
stickguy
6/11/2010-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
my expectation for Tejada is that he ends up being COra with range.
Or he gets traded.
But I doubt he is the LT answer at 2B, but I was wrong once before, I think.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
With that speed, does he even have range? I have to wonder if he was not busting it out?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
Regarding Tejada, I thought the same thing, but he does have 15+ SBs each year in the minors. So he does have decent speed, but I don’t think he has Reyes/Pagan speed. More like Bay/Frenchy speed.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Yeah I have to wonder if he did not run hard out of the gate?
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
But it was obvious that it’ll be at least a DP as soon as you hit it, so I will give him the benefit of doubt that he busted his butt running. The ball was hit hard and Ziwowski did throw the ball real hard.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
Lets get back to the real damage on this team. Jerry. It worked because of Niese but how in the hell do you bench Pagan and Bay for Carter AND Feliciano at the same time?
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
I have no problem with that. If it was me I would’ve played Pagan and just benched Bay for Carter in the OF, and benched Wright for Tatis in the IF for that 2nd game. But it’s been clear all season that Jerry doesn’t hold Pagan in the same “he’s a starting player” regard that he does guys like Bay or Wright or Reyes so I wasn’t surprised he sat Pagan too. I imagine he doesn’t view benching Bay and Pagan as benching two starters, more like benching a starter and a starter-by-default.
Bench players need to play sometimes to and as I have expressed numerous times in the past I prefer to start multiple bench players in one game as opposed to benching 1 guy each in 4 or 5 consecutive games. That the team won only gives me the benefit in hindsight on that, and IIRC the 2010 Mets have won multiple games even though they’ve started multiple back ups in them.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
I guess so, it’s just to me after losing the first one that’s a tough call to make.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
In a post-season environment I would completely agree with you. The finite number of games in that setting makes that call much more difficult.
But in a 162 games in 183 days season, on a day when you’re playing 2 games, in my mind it’s an easy call because in the context of that long regular season I can’t allow the one previous game to rule my long term decision making.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:56am at 11:56 am (UTC -4)
I see that too but we also had an off day Monday, the day before, next Monday, the following Monday and I think the one after that.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
Understood but I think I said this yesterday, I consider a game off far different and more valuable a tool for a manager to use in a number of ways (punishment/rest/slump-busting) than simply a day off that the whole team has anyway.
stickguy
6/11/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
I still think Jerry will end up putting the dagger into the team if they just fall short. ALthough maybe they have enough talent to make the playoffs despite him?
But it really does scare me to think of him trying to manage inthe playoffs!
ceetar
6/11/2010-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
I’m trying to cut back actually.
I was kinda okay with it. Pagan and Bay maybe could’ve used a day. I would’ve preferred it was the game with Blanco so they play at full strength for one of the games, but people criticize that approach too. (I wouldn’t have played Cora, period)
then again, given the 9-day DH stretch, the off day Wednesday and this upcoming monday, maybe not needed to rest anyone. Carter will get playing time as a DH I presume, so it’s not like it was really needed for him.
how about bullpen usage. Niese was cruising about as hard as anyone can cruise. Let Frankie rest his arm. At least until Niese maybe falters a bit in the 9th.
trs86
6/11/2010-12:03pm at 12:03 pm (UTC -4)
See I really just don’t see how either could’ve used a day. They already had 2 this week.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:12pm at 12:12 pm (UTC -4)
Depends if you proscribe to the attitude that players benefit from just watching, not preparing (theoretically they prepared wednesday anyway), etc. but yeah, they’ve had days off so I wouldn’t of rested them. Although Bay has been slumping and sometimes that helps? and we’ve got the extra offense slot to get guys fresh, so that argument is bunk. Bay isn’t exactly unable to play 18 innings (not like he’s a 20 year old SS or anything, you know how it is..) nor Pagan who came into the game anyway with a 3-0 lead late and 2 outs and Niese cruising..
trs86
6/11/2010-12:24pm at 12:24 pm (UTC -4)
I think with Bay the idea that benching him will end his slump is just silly. If anything he needs MORE AB’s.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think it’s that simple. It’s not like taking extended BP or a bililon swings break you out of slumps.
I think the idea is that he’s thinking too much, or reinforcing his poor swing or getting into bad habits and taht by taking him out for an extended period of time the next time he’s in he’ll go back to “normal” instinct and break out of it. Sorta break the rhythm of a bad mindset/swing/etc.
Of course, no one really knows. if there was a formula to breaking out of a slump, no one would slump.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Hey an actually interesting poll on MB today.
Win or go home game do you take Johan or Pelfrey?
Poll is VERY close. Separated by 3 votes.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-11:44am at 11:44 am (UTC -4)
I LOVE the way Pelf has pitched (obviously) but if win or go home is suggesting a post season game 7 type of scenario I have to go with Santana.
I will never forget the game he pitched in 2008 against the Marlins to get us to the last game of the season with a shot.
I don’t suggest Pelf can’t do it but I know Santana can I have yet to see if Pelf can.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:49am at 11:49 am (UTC -4)
Yeah I trust that even IF Johan did not have it then he could battle through it and still give us a chance. I am not sure if Pelfrey is there yet or not.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. In fact if I allow myself to dream a little bit and pretend it’s late September and I’m setting up my rotation for the post season, I’m setting it up Johan-Pelf-Niese, thus breaking up the lefties, with Dickey as my 4th if I need one and available in relief otherwise, due in part to his bounce-back ability as a knuckle ball pitcher.
But that’s getting waaaaaay ahead of things and I think this poll at this juncture shows a lack of ability to think of a more relevant poll, like for example “how many games do you think the Mets will win during the Balt-Clev portion of their road trip?”
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
I see it more like Johan-Pelf-Lee-Dickey-Niese
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve been a big fan of Lee for years, even when he wasn’t producing good results, and like Lackey who I have been a big fan of for years Lee is a guy who I covet in a Mets uniform.
But I don’t see it happening, either by trade this year or by free agency after it.
And I don’t know any team that uses 5 starters in the post season so I’m surprised you’re putting Dickey in the rotation and Niese in the bullpen.
trs86
6/11/2010-12:12pm at 12:12 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah I really don’t see more than the Millwood/Westbrook type being added.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
I was just going lefty-righty-lefty-righty-lefty
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
Aha!
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-11:58am at 11:58 am (UTC -4)
I agree and I’d go with Johan, but you can’t go wrong with Pelf either.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
To segue into another issue, I’d obviously go with Santana too, but if we got to an 8th/9th inning late where Santana was laboring, with Pelfrey sitting there? Does Jerry have the guts to make that pitching change? (If it was 8th/9th it’d obviously be Frankie anyway)
If you look back at the ’06 playoffs, we had such a killer bullpen that Willie really did pull the starters (Maine and Perez anyway) at the first signs of trouble and locked it down. But yeah, playoff managing is a different animal (and is probably one of the thigns I thought Willie did well and was part of the reason I gave him a little bit of a pass for how he managed in April/May that people disliked) and I don’t trust Jerry to do that well either.
trs86
6/11/2010-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
I think the playoffs is where guys like Taka and Dickey could REALLY turn up huge for us. Whoops, Huge D.. LOL.
stickguy
6/11/2010-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
right now? Plefrey.
If nothing else, better chance of staying out of the pen.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
What I am not sure we have seen is how Pelfrey would battle in a BIG game when his stuff is clearly not there.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:03pm at 12:03 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll make a related point that I kind of wanted to turn into a post but no way I’ll find the time right now anyway.
I think Santana’s gonna have a killer second half, and I think his velocity will jump up there too. He _did_ have surgery and I think there is something to be said for building muscle/strength throughout a longer period of time (btw, I feel/felt this way about Perez too). Add in that he’s a better second half pitcher (which makes so much sense if he’s a guy that gets an extra oomph from long term arm strength building and is already incredibly smart. It also jives with the reliever->starter success.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-12:14pm at 12:14 pm (UTC -4)
I completely agree about Santana. While it was 6 years ago, the only other year we have to go on in which Santana came off surgery (this exact surgery in fact) is 2004 and he went off in the 2nd half that year.
Yes I know that was a long time ago and that he has put a lot of mileage on his arm since then, and for those reasons I don’t expect his 2010 2nd half improvement to be as dramatic as his 2004 improvement, but I do expect improvement.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:19pm at 12:19 pm (UTC -4)
well, arguably the layoff from pitching that’s probably affecting the velocity a little was also a nice respite from maybe other little injuries popping up from repeated use. But I’m really not educated enough to speak on this, but they’ve almost got it down to a science. for instance, I heard Pettitte say since he pitched later into October he took an extra week or two before he started preparing for Spring as a recovery period. (of course, when you’ve got the benefit of HGH, you need less time anyway)
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
Interesting poll by MLBTR.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/sr.aspx?sm=LWqDrwejhNMbP04HELpcEDNfO4AgR_2fnR_2fHVondWm_2b7w_3d
either most readers are from NY area or this could be a good news for us.
trs86
6/11/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
I think people just assume the NY teams will make the big deals.
trs86
6/11/2010-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
Some interesting stats here.
Johan if you take out the .2 innings vs Philly (I know that’s cheating)
2.02 ERA
Taking that game out completely his ERA is under 2 and has a WHIP of 1.13 with only 2 HR given up in 81 innings.
He has a quality start in 9/13 appearances and one of the ones he did not he went 7.2 innings giving up 4 runs. He has went 6 innings or more in 11/13 starts.
Johan is fine.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
Also, as was discussed then, Manuel should’ve pulled him long before that which probably saves him 4-5 runs.
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
He tried to, Taka was on the toilet.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:19pm at 12:19 pm (UTC -4)
this statement makes me want to punch someone. And reinforces the “doesn’t learn” aspect of our manager.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/11/2010-12:25pm at 12:25 pm (UTC -4)
huh?
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-12:28pm at 12:28 pm (UTC -4)
What did you want Manuel to do, call a time out?
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:37pm at 12:37 pm (UTC -4)
other managers do it. walk to the mound slowly, send the catcher out a lot, throw to first.
Also, there were 6 other pitchers in the bullpen.
This is basically what the situation was when he pulled Castro for Santos last year no?
GravediggerHebner
6/11/2010-12:51pm at 12:51 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t recall the circumstances of the “my pinch-hitter was in the bullpen” incident so I can’t comment on that.
As far as Santana getting lit up while Taka flushed, we already criticize Manuel for misusing the bullpen so I find the suggestion he should’ve got a second reliever up that early in a blowout somewhat hypocritical. Even if we don’t want to call it a blowout at that moment, who would be expecting Santana to get blown out and thus prepare for it anyway?
He called for the long man he wanted in that circumstance, the guy had to poop. It doesn’t happen often but it happened then, we need to get over it.
I certainly don’t think, and am glad you haven’t suggested, that Manuel should’ve simply kept that quiet and fallen on a sword about it. Of course I want him to accept criticism he deserves but I don’t see the benefit of him saying “yeah sorry my bad” when his long reliever’s bowels decide to move.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
Fine, but, baseball is full of uncertainty. What if Takahashi had gotten up to through and discovered a blister and couldn’t throw? Oh well, keep Santana in? Even if it was only for 5 minutes, the guy he wanted wasn’t available. adjust. Manuel doesn’t do so, and this is an example of him not adjusting, even if its a random act of chance that likely won’t ever happen again.
trs86
6/11/2010-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
Pooping I hope is much more temporary than a blister.
trs86
6/11/2010-12:37pm at 12:37 pm (UTC -4)
Pull a Torre.
ceetar
6/11/2010-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
well yeah. I mean, if Girardi can pull stupid stunts like have Pettite up for the 9th just because he didn’t want to get Mariano up too early, then Manuel can too in situations where it’s getting dire.
Mr North Jersey
6/11/2010-12:18pm at 12:18 pm (UTC -4)
“I think it was a blessing in disguise,†Niese said after throwing a one-hit complete game shutout Thursday night at Citi Field. “It feels a lot better ever since I got off the disabled list.â€
Jon Niese in an article in the NY Times
We can only hope Maine has as much success after he returns from the DL.
trs86
6/11/2010-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
LOL Go Rusty. 157… 158 comments on a This day in infamy.