TMZ is reporting that they have obtained a copy of the report filed with the Lee County Sheriff’s Office on October 28, 2009 that states New York Mets Ace Johan Santana was accused of sexual battery that allegedly went down on a Florida golf course.
It is important to note that the prosecutor concluded, “There was not enough evidence to prove lack of consent, the alleged victim’s statement is not consistent with other witnesses.” The case was closed out on December 8, 2009.
WFAN is reporting the Mets will issue a statement soon addressing the incident.
***Warning*** The police report is not suitable for small children due to its graphic description of the incident.
132 comments
prismo
6/23/2010-3:54pm at 3:54 pm (UTC -4)
Ack, I was kind of hoping no one would post this smut.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-4:01pm at 4:01 pm (UTC -4)
Well in all fairness it would be hypocrisy if it was ignored. I mean the Mets will issue a statement so it is affecting the Mets enough that they feel the need for at least a statement.
I did my best to be fair and note that the case was closed.
prismo
6/23/2010-4:45pm at 4:45 pm (UTC -4)
I understand jerz. I just hate this gossip stuff.
stickguy
6/23/2010-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
well, tht’s enough. Must have done something (Rothlisberger and Kobe were never found guilty either). H eis no longer good enough for the Mets. They had best dump him post haste.
Hey, Brett Myers was never convicted of anything, but many posters here deem him unfit to wear a met uniform. Just want to make sure everyone is consistant.
prismo
6/23/2010-4:03pm at 4:03 pm (UTC -4)
There is a stark difference between cheating on your wife and beating/raping a woman.
I’m certainly no fan of cheaters, but at least no one is physically harmed. It’s basically equates to being a huge d-bag (which most atheletes are – can’t keep it in their pants).
But beating or raping a woman is in a much darker realm.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-4:13pm at 4:13 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. You can’t compare the two.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know enough about the incident to speculate if he did or didn’t assault this woman. What concerns me is if the story is true that DNA proved they had intercourse how will his wife and family handle that news if she is just becoming aware of it?
stickguy
6/23/2010-4:02pm at 4:02 pm (UTC -4)
obviously she wil have to break a window in his car with a baseball bat in order to save his life.
GravediggerHebner
6/23/2010-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
While many people believe that saints and angels play sports in the afterlife, I hope no one is naive enough to believe that sports on earth are the exclusive province of saints and angels, they are not. One does not have to root for or respect these non-saints and non-angels but one cannot presume they don’t exist, even on their favorite teams, even in the uniforms of their favorite players.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-4:03pm at 4:03 pm (UTC -4)
Sadly sir you are 100% correct.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-4:23pm at 4:23 pm (UTC -4)
Add politicians to that list too. Or just about anyone in the limelight. One big downside to being famous. You can’t ever make a mistake because if you do, they’ll be someone right there to make sure the world knows about it.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-4:25pm at 4:25 pm (UTC -4)
+ Infinity.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-4:09pm at 4:09 pm (UTC -4)
Largely agree with Grave and Prismo.
Most of these guys long ago lost contact with the real world.
As the Roethlisberger example clearly illustrates, as well as countless others (the Cincinnati Bengals franchise for example; OJ; Ramon Castro….), these guys think they can get away with things because they CAN get away with things.
On the other hand, sometimes it is clearly a case of someone trying to trap an athlete and make money off of him. Let’s hope it is the latter here.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-4:20pm at 4:20 pm (UTC -4)
I hate TMZ, have always hated all these celebrity news/gossip shows, websites, magazines…
Well….When I read Strawberry’s last book, he was careful not to get too detailed but what went on with ballplayers from that era was something most of us could never relate to. ‘More temptation than you can resist’ type of mentality, and not just with the drugs that were available either. From what he insinuated, the women were actually more plentiful than the drugs.
I have no idea what is true, what is not with this story but I’ll bet there some basis in fact to even have been falsely accused of something. I can’t help thinking it can’t be something as innocent as a handshake and an autograph was given and some attention grabbing you-know-what tried to turn it into something else.
Whatever…time to move on.
DNDJohan aka kistics
6/23/2010-4:29pm at 4:29 pm (UTC -4)
Damn… I’m not sure what to make out of this. Hope this is someone’s attempt to extract money from him.
It does sound like Johan had sex with this girl though… but then what do we expect from ball players.
whataputz
6/23/2010-4:34pm at 4:34 pm (UTC -4)
Johans our ace in the hole…hiyooooo
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-4:43pm at 4:43 pm (UTC -4)
Ah, recess must be over!
whataputz
6/23/2010-4:45pm at 4:45 pm (UTC -4)
Did the nice people at the senior center give you some computer time?
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-4:48pm at 4:48 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, I am at the youthful early 40s senior center, i.e., the business I co-own.
Maybe some day you can mop my floors!
whataputz
6/23/2010-4:53pm at 4:53 pm (UTC -4)
yay mopping is fun!
CaseStreet
6/23/2010-4:37pm at 4:37 pm (UTC -4)
Hope none of it is true.
johan4cy
6/23/2010-4:41pm at 4:41 pm (UTC -4)
It doesn’t matter, he has a personal life and a professional life as we all do. Just because he’s a ball player doesn’t mean that all of his personal issues should be out here for everyone to know. Look at the NFL, you see players getting into crimes all the time. You don’t need to be nice to play a professional sport, just good at it.
oleosmirf
6/23/2010-4:46pm at 4:46 pm (UTC -4)
shocking a woman is “raped” by a professional athlete.
whataputz
6/23/2010-4:48pm at 4:48 pm (UTC -4)
Listen, whether its Tiger Woods, Johan Santana, Charlie Schene, etc…it’s obvious. Why do men want to become rich? Money, power, and woman. It comes with the territory. This story means as much to me as well..something that doesn’t mean that much to me. This is old news, and I’m sure 3/4 of all athletes cheat on their wives.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-4:51pm at 4:51 pm (UTC -4)
When you grow up, among other things you MIGHT learn, is that consensual sex and RAPE are very different things.
Ben Roethlisberger raping a drunk college girl and Tiger sleeping CONSENSUALLY with anything without a di** are very different things my little friend.
And MOST rich pro athletes don’t have to rape or assault to have all the women they want.
As someone who used to play in a very popular band in Seattle during the 90s heyday, trust me, ladies like guys on stages.
Only aggressive loser animals rape women.
whataputz
6/23/2010-4:55pm at 4:55 pm (UTC -4)
So….when did I say rape is good? All i said is powerfull men like to have sex with lots of women….which in your mind translates to me saying “yay rape is awesome”.
Grunge music is terrible.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-4:59pm at 4:59 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I apologize if I misunderstood; let’s be friends.
I thought you were equating what Johan was accused of with Tiger’s antics.
Again, I apologize if I misunderstood.
But, I must say that Nirvana simply rules, along with Sinatra, Jay-Z, the Beatles and Stones, Tupac, Eminem, Lee Morgan, Oscar Peterson, George Jones, and all of the rest of the best music of the 20th century.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-5:02pm at 5:02 pm (UTC -4)
Bruce rocks!
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:18pm at 5:18 pm (UTC -4)
I agree! Loved him growing up, and still listen to The River; my favorite of his I think, but really like everything through Nebraska. Don’t know his later stuff that well; LOVE the song he wrote for the ending credits of The Wrestler though.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-4:56pm at 4:56 pm (UTC -4)
we won’t have to delete any posts will we from you two?
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-4:57pm at 4:57 pm (UTC -4)
NO!
I promise.
whataputz
6/23/2010-5:03pm at 5:03 pm (UTC -4)
Jay-Z..ewww. Alright buddy, pal, friend, acquaintance. I love you.
Eminem is horrible. OOO look I’m an angry white guy.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:05pm at 5:05 pm (UTC -4)
Whata–
I am respectfully asking—what is some of your favorite music?
I really do want to know.
GravediggerHebner
6/23/2010-5:07pm at 5:07 pm (UTC -4)
Brooks and/or Dunn?
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:09pm at 5:09 pm (UTC -4)
Hubie and/or Adam?
Hey, I do admit a serious love for George Jones along with the jazz, grunge and rap!
whataputz
6/23/2010-5:09pm at 5:09 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I really love the Wiggles….but as far as rap is concerned, it’s all about Lil wayne, Snoop Dogg and to be very recent Kid Cudi. I love all kinds of classic rock, such as the Eagles, Rush, the Beatles obviously….the list goes on. Just hate grundge, and JayZ, and Eminem.
The Putz/Kingman fisticups relationship adds some flavor to TRDMB.
GravediggerHebner
6/23/2010-5:12pm at 5:12 pm (UTC -4)
As long as none of you say you enjoy the music of Kenny G you all have good taste in my book.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:13pm at 5:13 pm (UTC -4)
Putz–
I LOVE Snoop (Doggystyle is a serious desert island disc), and I have loved the Eagles since I bought the Hotel California LP as a 9 year old in 1976.
That’s interesting that you love Snoop but hate Jay-Z—have you heard Jay-Z’s two best, his first CD Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint?
PS–My nieces outgrew the Wiggles by about age 3!
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:14pm at 5:14 pm (UTC -4)
Detest Kenny G.
He used to have seats right at halfcourt when I would go to Sonics games in Seattle in the late 90s–better seats than Bill Gates!
whataputz
6/23/2010-5:16pm at 5:16 pm (UTC -4)
And I cannot beleive I left out Kanye West. Say what you want about his antics, but the man can make music…..get ready for his new album because it will blow you away.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:20pm at 5:20 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed on Kanye; but check out more Jay-Z…Reasonable Doubt from I think 96.
Those two have worked together as I am sure you know….
whataputz
6/23/2010-5:22pm at 5:22 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I get that all the time. “How can you like Kanye and hate Jay-Z”…idk, just don’t like his sound.
stickguy
6/23/2010-5:01pm at 5:01 pm (UTC -4)
to be fair, I do not believe that Ben was charged with rape. He certainly was not convicted.
so by definition, he did not do what you are accusing him of.
Many of these cases end up the same way. ‘something” happened, but there is not enough non-victom testimony evidence to actualy prosecute.
stickguy
6/23/2010-5:02pm at 5:02 pm (UTC -4)
you weren’t in pearl jam or nirvana, were you? Never could stand either one of them.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:08pm at 5:08 pm (UTC -4)
LOL! I would probably not be here if I was!
If I meet you at the track I will burn you copies of the two best discs I was on.
I LOVE Nirvana and HATE Pearl Jam.
Back in the 90s, when Pearl Jam first started, they were looked at as a sellout joke by bands like Nirvana.
I worship Nirvana, really love Alice In Chains and Screaming Trees, like Soundgarden and Mudhoney a lot, but really detest Pearl Jam.
And I did read a lot about the Big Ben incident, and it seems very much like he basically had his way with a roaring drunk flirtatious 95 pound 20 year old. Vicious violent rape? Probably not. Having his way because he carefully gauged the situation and knew he’d get away with it? Probably.
whataputz
6/23/2010-5:13pm at 5:13 pm (UTC -4)
Wait, so you’re from Seattle and your a Mets fan?
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:16pm at 5:16 pm (UTC -4)
No sir, I grew up in north Jersey and lived in Seattle from 1990-2001. Now live up near Albany NY.
Moved to Seattle after college with my band.
Grunge notwithstanding, Seattle is a tremendously beautiful and livable city. Great, great place.
whataputz
6/23/2010-5:20pm at 5:20 pm (UTC -4)
I admire your commitment. Too bad you put your eggs in the grunge basket though.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:24pm at 5:24 pm (UTC -4)
LOL! Thanks!
I actually listen to loads of hip-hop, jazz, and rock from all eras.
It just happened that my music career was in Seattle during that era.
I went to college in Vermont in the late 80s, and played in bands in Burlington that played some originals, but lots of rock covers from all eras, ranging from Beatles and Zeppelin to the Allmans to the Dead and tons more…Phish was a young upcoming band in Burlington when I was there…not a big fan of theirs.
Putz, gotta run, but sincerely appreciate the nice exchange and finding common ground–really.
I know I can be an ass at first, but I do quickly realize the error of my ways and come around.
whataputz
6/23/2010-5:27pm at 5:27 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, nice talking to you. And don’t even get me started on Phish
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-4:56pm at 4:56 pm (UTC -4)
WFAN just aired the very short terse comment on this story. Quality was really bad so it was hard to make it all out but it’s what you’d expect. No comment, no charges filed, no crime, case closed.
If only this was case closed. We’ll be hearing about this one until the next scandal replaces it….
stickguy
6/23/2010-4:57pm at 4:57 pm (UTC -4)
well, it seems that the popular sentiment is, all athletes are cheating pigs, but at least this one is our cheating pig, so it is OK?
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
As I believe FDR said about Somoza, “He’s an SOB, but he’s OUR SOB.”
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
And since I had WFAN on to hear the statement they would release about this story…
This hour’s discussion with Francesa seems to be mostly Mets. Mainly, Lee and Pagan.
According to MF, Pagan will get limited playing time when Beltran returns, he’ll sulk and be unhappy and might upset the chemistry of the team.
MF’s opinion on Lee is they’re going to want like Niese and Mejia. See….I just don’t get that. Neither Philly nor Seattle gave up a top prospects for Lee. What makes him more valuable this year? Is it competition from several teams driving up the price?
Jerry will be on WFAN in a few minutes….
stickguy
6/23/2010-5:05pm at 5:05 pm (UTC -4)
Neise is no longer a prospect at this point. he has “graduated” to being a member of a ML rotation, which is a vastly more valuable asset generally.
Neise and Mejia for a rental is absurd.
And MF is just making up the part about pagan, probably because he figured it would get Met fans the most riled up.
Frenchy should face as few RHPs as possible. Pagan is overall a better player. Why is it so hard for MF to understand?
Oh wait. Jerry making the calls. Forgot to weigh that into the equation…
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-5:20pm at 5:20 pm (UTC -4)
Listening to Jerry and MF….Francesa is trying to get Jerry to lay out the plan for when Beltran comes back. Jerry said he didn’t really think Pagan was this good of a hitter (or words to that effect) and he was wrong. Said he’s got some very big, clutch hits and he’s been consistent all season. Said he’s a very good young player. When Beltran is getting ready to return he said he’ll make sure his OF knows what will happen, what will be expected, I expect in hopes to ‘dispel’ this notion of pouting MF keeps throwing out there….
Jerry also singing the praises of Dickey. Said he knew nothing about knuckle ball pitchers but he loves that he never backs down, never says die. He also can change the speed of his knuckle ball which is not something he’s ever seen before. Said it obviously adds to his success and he hopes he can keep right on doing it.
whataputz
6/23/2010-5:25pm at 5:25 pm (UTC -4)
Pagans gotta play over Frenchy. To me, there should be 2 options (in no particular order). 1. Play Pagan everyday
2. Platoon Pagan and Frenchy L/R. It’s bad enough we had to watch GMJ steal Pagans playing time. When is Jerry gong to realize that Pagan has arguably been our MVP, and that Frenchy is way too streaky to play over Angel.
gipperpdx
6/23/2010-6:02pm at 6:02 pm (UTC -4)
Yep….Frnchy maybe in late in games as a defensive upgrade.
oleosmirf
6/23/2010-6:06pm at 6:06 pm (UTC -4)
what you do is you play Pagan 1 game in LF, 2 games in CF and 3 games in RF per week.
thats Bay 5-6 games, Beltran 4-5 games, Francouer 3-4 games and Pagan 5 games per week
oleosmirf
6/23/2010-5:19pm at 5:19 pm (UTC -4)
as much as we like to envy these athletes for being able to have almost any woman they want, it must be very difficult to stay faithful to someone when you have all these temptations really throwing themselves out you.
mix in some alcohol (not saying that was a factor here) and you get some regrettable decisions.
the fact that she went and watched him play tennis afterwards is pretty obvious that nothing criminal happened. just another woman/girl trying to get her 15 minutes and some cash. Unfortunately these fakes really hurt the girls are actually abused by these athletes as every time i, and many others im sure, hear something like this on the news, the first thing that comes to mind is she’s full of crap…
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-5:21pm at 5:21 pm (UTC -4)
I agree with all of this….well-said.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-5:26pm at 5:26 pm (UTC -4)
+1.
prismo
6/23/2010-5:29pm at 5:29 pm (UTC -4)
They don’t get married.
Single athletes like Jeter and Wright can chase as much tail as they want and NO ONE CARES. Plenty of time to get married once you retire in your mid-late 30s.
prismo
6/23/2010-5:29pm at 5:29 pm (UTC -4)
Then* don’t get married
oleosmirf
6/23/2010-5:35pm at 5:35 pm (UTC -4)
you dont need to married to be faithful to someone and it is extremely difficult for athletes to have a social life without getting tempted.
i mean imagine if everywhere you went, beautiful women wanted to take you home, you might slip up too…
prismo
6/23/2010-5:38pm at 5:38 pm (UTC -4)
Good to see you’re defending cheaters with a thin excuse!
oleosmirf
6/23/2010-5:47pm at 5:47 pm (UTC -4)
not defending it, but i dont think you realize what goes on…
I have a pretty good friend who plays (well more like is a tackling dummy) for the Rutgers football team so I have had the opportunity to party with many of the Rutgers football players.
the second they walk into a room all the girls flock around them hoping they are ones to sleep with them…and these are just drunk 17-21 year olds and college players not multi million dollar celebrities and perfect ten models…
prismo
6/23/2010-5:53pm at 5:53 pm (UTC -4)
Right, so DONT GET MARRIED. Then you can bang all the college chicks you want (assuming they’re of age).
Of course it’s also cheating when you do it to a girlfriend and not a wife, but the media generally doesn’t get into that, probably because there’s no paperwork of the relationship in the first place.
Sorry, I’m not gonna feel sorry for these guys for having tons of girls flocking after them. Give me a break.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-6:01pm at 6:01 pm (UTC -4)
OPRAH is looking for you two.
oleosmirf
6/23/2010-6:03pm at 6:03 pm (UTC -4)
again this is clearly something you wont understand so i cant explain otherwise.
speaking of “of age girls”, you’d be surprised how many underage (15,16,17 year old girls) make their way over and pose as college students…
prismo
6/23/2010-6:06pm at 6:06 pm (UTC -4)
oy vey
I hate humanity sometimes
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-6:07pm at 6:07 pm (UTC -4)
Nothing to explain. no amount of a$$ is reason to be unfaithful.
I am sure you agree.
The rest is all B.S.
trs86
6/23/2010-9:58pm at 9:58 pm (UTC -4)
I think all Oleo is saying is until you walk in their shoes it’s hard to know what WE would do in that situation. We talk a big game but we also are nobodies with basically nobody throwing themselves at us. Most of us also see our wife/spouse every day or at least 90% of the time.
Again, there is no excuse to cheat but there are reasons it happens.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-10:15pm at 10:15 pm (UTC -4)
“I think all Oleo is saying is until you walk in their shoes it’s hard to know what WE would do in that situation.”
Agreed but it would still be wrong.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
Yup. Not arguing right or wrong. Just saying TOO easy for us to condemn them for it.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-10:19pm at 10:19 pm (UTC -4)
I must of missed that part sorry.
trs86
6/23/2010-9:55pm at 9:55 pm (UTC -4)
That’s the part I don’t get.
She got “raped” then walked to the tennis court with him and then went to the bathroom and changed her clothes and then came back out to watch Johan play tennis.
CaseStreet
6/23/2010-6:34pm at 6:34 pm (UTC -4)
Only way to make this story go Away is trade for lee and win the division
Hazmet
6/23/2010-6:40pm at 6:40 pm (UTC -4)
Well I wasn’t even going to comment on this but after reading the report now I’d like to read the Contract. Any morality clause type language in that sucker? Probably not, which I find unfathomable that you pay someone 150M Large without one. And yes, I do actually believe if you pay someone that ammount of cash it also “comes”, sorry, with a large obligation to represent yourself in a certain manner during it’s duration. I bring this up not so much as some great moral play as the world’s moved beyond that I believe today but as a matter of: if Johan’s velocity is down and he regresses to the back 9 of his career earlier than they thought, do they look to void the contract based on this incident? I think not, but just throwing it out there.
Lastly, unrelated: sort of – I just recently returned from a business trip where one of the coworkers from another division conveyed the story of running into a famous golfers caddy in a restaurant/bar and the caddy asked my friend “do you want to meet him?”. Of course the answer was yes. He went over and said hey …… this guy’s a fan. The golfer went to shake his hand but first had to pull it out of the croch of the 20 something year old beauty sitting next to him. My friend was revolted and awed all in one at the glistening hand offered to shake. And yes this is a name PGA tour guy. These guy’s live in a different world, but it still doesn’t make what Johan’s reportly done acceptable.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-6:46pm at 6:46 pm (UTC -4)
I think it is important to note that what he has done is be unfaithful to his wife at best. The police closed the case and he was never charged with anything whatsoever.
Let’s just make sure we are clear on what he “reportedly” has done.
Hazmet
6/23/2010-7:15pm at 7:15 pm (UTC -4)
Totally clear which is why I used the “reportedly”.
prismo
6/23/2010-6:48pm at 6:48 pm (UTC -4)
A few months ago, a local DC radio station had the wife of a prominent NBA player on the show (she was promoting her business). The hosts had heard rumors that she allows him to “take care of business” on the road, so long as he’s safe about it. So they asked her about it, and she confirmed it. She said that she understands the temptation, and at least this way she’d know about it.
That’s not really a marriage I’d ever want to be a part of, but who’s to say Johan and his wife don’t have the same arrangement?
prismo
6/23/2010-6:48pm at 6:48 pm (UTC -4)
Honestly, we know NOTHING about his personal life. And it’s really none of our business.
Hazmet
6/23/2010-7:18pm at 7:18 pm (UTC -4)
Agree totally, but the question is if Johan is in decline, which I don’t believe: do they try to use this as an excuse to void the contract and safe the cash if there’s a morality clause. Strictly a business question, finding a contractual weapon to use to save cash if internally they’d be concerned about his stuff.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:03pm at 10:03 pm (UTC -4)
LOL no way. Players union would not allow that at all and it would never be in the contract.
Johan, to reach your 150M you must not cheat on your wife. But Jeff you do all the time. Hush, no I don’t…. but what have you heard?
I wish it was not so but I was reading my Maxim magazine (yes my wife knows I read it and she does too) and there was an ad for some website that promotes you cheating on your wife. I could not believe it. (No I did not log on).
It’s just a different age. We are not here to be morality police just Mets fans.
whataputz
6/23/2010-10:07pm at 10:07 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe it was ashleymadison.com. They’re trying to buy the naming rights for the new giants/jets stadium.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah that was it. What the hell is that?
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:10pm at 10:10 pm (UTC -4)
A site promoting cheating on your wife!
whataputz
6/23/2010-10:10pm at 10:10 pm (UTC -4)
It’s a website where you can “meet up” with other married people. They advertise on Siruis radio all the time as well, and encourage married people to go on the site.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:13pm at 10:13 pm (UTC -4)
Wow!
So again, look what our nation has became.
Those damn democrats…. (LOL)
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:20pm at 10:20 pm (UTC -4)
Oy vey.
Ashley Madison herself actually is a tea-guzzling Palinite.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:09pm at 10:09 pm (UTC -4)
What a game.
Dickey might be the ace we have been looking for.
His stats are becoming ridiculous.
He is calm and collected no matter what.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
Hey, did you see how me and Whataputz made up and became pals?
I did it all for you and Mr North Chief!
I am growing up!
Seriously, is Dickey a late-blooming Niekro or what? It might be time to think this is for real.
Damn, this becomes more fun every damn week.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:09pm at 10:09 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah it does. And wow what a pick up with Dickey. Boy were YOU wrong (ducks).
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:12pm at 10:12 pm (UTC -4)
Yes I was!
Wrong as HELL about Dickey and Jerry and Warthen.
RIGHT about Ollie and Maine’s ST results, Matthews, Jacobs, and lots of other things, but hey Chief, you know me well enough to know I always keep an open mind and will always change my mind when events warrant it.
And yes, I was wrong about Dickey, but I have been and remain an Omar supporter, so can I get some indirect credit there as Omar signed Dickey??
whataputz
6/23/2010-10:13pm at 10:13 pm (UTC -4)
To be fair I don’t even think RA Dickey thought he’d be anywhere near this good.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:14pm at 10:14 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I was right there with you on Dickey (LOL not as adamant for sure and I hoped we did not see him this year)
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:25pm at 10:25 pm (UTC -4)
How many guys learn the knuckler so late?
It is a crazy, and truly unique situation.
It is very nearly time to just feel that he is in the rotation for maybe a couple of years.
whataputz
6/23/2010-10:12pm at 10:12 pm (UTC -4)
Not so fast King, are you a Paganite, or a Franceourian? That will be the hot topic coming up, I am sure.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:15pm at 10:15 pm (UTC -4)
I am a neturaltarian.
Play them all.
whataputz
6/23/2010-10:15pm at 10:15 pm (UTC -4)
If only we played in the AL, where real fundamental baseball is discouraged.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:19pm at 10:19 pm (UTC -4)
My feeling is play Pagan against righties, Francoeur against lefties, and 1-2 days a week rest Beltran and play Pagan and Frenchy.
That was, everyone stays fresh, Pagan and Frenchy’s splits maximize their production, and every day we have a fine pinch hitter and great defensive replacement/double switch guy on the bench.
How about that?
If not, really must choose Pagan right now. But I do like Frenchy. He is streaky, but hustles, is a fine fielder, and clearly is a great chemistry/clubhouse guy. Plus, I hear he loves grunge.
whataputz
6/23/2010-10:22pm at 10:22 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, sound about right.
Hazmet
6/23/2010-10:35pm at 10:35 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe it’s that I work for a Fortune 500 company and there was a Director who had a minor indiscretion in the Far East that was a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 vs. this and about 30 seconds after he landed stateside he was fired. Company ethic thing. And the question was not posed around the act it was around a business tactic which you did address by stating the union wouldn’t allow him to sign such an agreement. That I agree with. However, when tossing around contract numbers of that size you never know. After all doesn’t A-Rod have a No-Steroids Clause in his contract as reported by Fatcessa? The union signed off on that knowing they should have absolutely never agreed to such a thing. So, you never know. And it has nothing to do with cheating on his wife. It has to do with maintaining an image for the company/organization you work for. One of the touted things discussed when Johan was signed was he was from a town in Venezuela that was known as “the town of gentleman”. And all I heard was how he raised the image of the organization and that was another reason for justifying the largest contract awarded by the franchise. Therby the question, which you’re answer involving the union makes sense. Also, the fact that it didn’t even raise to the level of further investigation by the authorities thereby they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. Anyway, just looked to stir debate. Thanks for playing.
trs86
6/23/2010-11:00pm at 11:00 pm (UTC -4)
LOL. Yeah you are welcome. I just can’t see a contract including maintaining the image yet saying that cheating is not. That would be HARD to police in athletics.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-10:23pm at 10:23 pm (UTC -4)
Pagan with muscle spasms. He said not a DL thing. Bobby O said that’s the best case scenario. With the heat and some dehydration, it’s very possible.
RA Dickey…what more can you say?
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
I remember all the Dickey jokes many of us made myself included when they signed him.
Who knew he’d come up and pitch this well?
Not I that’s for sure.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:28pm at 10:28 pm (UTC -4)
Please include me in that large group.
Omar really made a hell of a move on this one.
I doubt even he thought Dickey would be like this, but man, a few more games like this, and he is a lock here for the next couple of years.
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-10:34pm at 10:34 pm (UTC -4)
Years may be too soon I mean this is the best he has ever pitched as a starter that I am aware of.
Let’s enjoy the ride and hope it continues.
As far as a lock for the next couple of years I will just wait and see what unfolds. It has been a great 6 starts but let’s keep things in perspective.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
Well, to be fair many still throwing the dickey jokes out there. But now it’s said affectionately – LOL…
Even if RA was just buying us some time, he’s one of the finds of the season for the Mets. Here’s hoping he keeps right on rolling. He shows no signs of being ‘exposed’ – LOL.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:31pm at 10:31 pm (UTC -4)
HAHA!!!!!
Original and excellent!!
trs86
6/23/2010-10:33pm at 10:33 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!
But being serious, you know it would have to be hard to “catch” on to a knuckle ball pitcher. He could practically say “Here’s the KB, hit it if you can” and it would not matter if he was on. Hitters don’t catch on, the pitcher just has a bad night.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-10:36pm at 10:36 pm (UTC -4)
That’s what I’ve been reading. And from what they’re saying, the key to RA’s success so far seems to be that he has the unique ability to change speeds on the KB as well.
Whatever works, keep right on doing it Mr. Dickey.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
RA stands for Really Awesome?
whataputz
6/23/2010-10:24pm at 10:24 pm (UTC -4)
Kerry Wood, I hate you!!!
trs86
6/23/2010-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, nah I hate Rollins. It’s easier.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:30pm at 10:30 pm (UTC -4)
Hating anyone wearing the really dark blue hats with the white NY works for me and has been very fulfilling for decades now….I recommend it.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:31pm at 10:31 pm (UTC -4)
Plenty of room to hate more than just the Yanks. Besides the Yanks mean nothing to me right now.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:44pm at 10:44 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, good point. I really just was thinking of that due to the weekend.
The older I get, the less I really care about them.
Unless they are in the WS.
Then I have to root against them no matter who they play. (Ducks.)
trs86
6/23/2010-10:56pm at 10:56 pm (UTC -4)
Nah it’s your right. I understand. I have never lived in NY so I usually can just turn off the Yanks.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-11:00pm at 11:00 pm (UTC -4)
My Dad was born in 1937 and was a Brooklyn Dodger fan, and from 1947-1956 the Yanks played the Dodgers six times in the WS and won them all except for 1955.
He has been a Met fan since before they played their first game. (And was at the clinchers at Shea in 69 and 86.)
I was literally propagandized against the Yanks since the day I was born!
trs86
6/23/2010-11:02pm at 11:02 pm (UTC -4)
Wonder it did not backfire.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
Jeeze…just watched that too.
trs86
6/23/2010-10:28pm at 10:28 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, logged on just in time. Had to hear the Phillies announcers act like they had never won a walk off before…. “Heeeeeeeeee’s back…..” on roids.
metsfan4decades
6/23/2010-10:31pm at 10:31 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve been following the Phils this season and I just can’t help but think they’re doing this all with smoke and mirrors so far.
I just don’t see the complete package on that team anymore to sustain through this season, especially with the injuries.
We shall see…
trs86
6/23/2010-10:34pm at 10:34 pm (UTC -4)
I still expect them to be the ones we have to worry about. I still can’t concede that the Braves will continue their run.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:45pm at 10:45 pm (UTC -4)
SNY just said that word is a deal is in place for Bobby V to the Marlins….
Mr North Jersey
6/23/2010-10:47pm at 10:47 pm (UTC -4)
If true expect Mets vs Marlins to be some fun games to watch.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:56pm at 10:56 pm (UTC -4)
Precisely what I was thinking!
trs86
6/23/2010-10:55pm at 10:55 pm (UTC -4)
So that’s good, when Jerry is fired in 2012 that should be about the time the Marlins fire Bobby V.
Kingman 26
6/23/2010-10:57pm at 10:57 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!!!
trs86
6/23/2010-11:01pm at 11:01 pm (UTC -4)
In reality you know that I like the fact that he is off the board.