Jul 09
Could Nick Evans be on his way to NY? Well Adam Rubin thinks he could be. In an article he writes,
“The evidence is mounting. Evans was a healthy scratch from Binghamton’s game on Thursday at Altoona. And a team official acknowledged late Thursday: “We are considering a right-handed bat now.”
In Binghamton Nick Evans was hitting .290 15/HR 46/RBI
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93 comments
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-8:42am at 8:42 am (UTC -4)
Who’s spot does he take? Carter?
saltygary
7/9/2010-8:44am at 8:44 am (UTC -4)
Jesus?
fongy2
7/9/2010-8:45am at 8:45 am (UTC -4)
No one fcuks with the Jesus!!!
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-8:53am at 8:53 am (UTC -4)
Then Bay is your back up CF. Tell me Beltran is coming back right after the AS game, please…
saltygary
7/9/2010-8:56am at 8:56 am (UTC -4)
That’s what it sounds like.
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
Uff da…
fongy2
7/9/2010-8:45am at 8:45 am (UTC -4)
And if so….Why????
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-8:49am at 8:49 am (UTC -4)
I guess Jerry wanted a fresh face to banish in the 24th/25th spot on the roster…
fongy2
7/9/2010-8:44am at 8:44 am (UTC -4)
What afriggin’disaster of a morning
for a lifelong Met and Knick fan!!!
Cliff Lee on about to be traded to the yankees, Lebron signs with the Heat AND the phils continue to gut
out victories they have no buisness winning…With the three guys most responsible for that victory being
scrubs from last years nightmare
of a Met season!
….Oh, the pain!!!…..
It never ends!!!
Mr North Jersey
7/9/2010-8:48am at 8:48 am (UTC -4)
Thanks for reminding me.
fongy2
7/9/2010-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
And to throw more dirt on our graves…
(hey, wait, where’s Heb?)…Donnie Walsh about to retire…AND
The Dopey Dolans reach
out to Isiah Thomas??
saltygary
7/9/2010-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think there is really one sports fan that likes the way the whole Lebron drama played out. Probably not even Heat fans, because I don’t think there is such a thing. I would be shocked if any free agent will get that type of circus anytime soon. It was the perfect storm of media/fan hype that demonstrated how bad we all can get wrapped up into things. Now you have a great basketball player ripping the hearts out of a tortured fanbase in Cleveland, played games with an equally tortured fanbase in the Knicks only to end up creating a dynasty team in the worst sports towns in the US. Utter disgrace.
And the poor Knicks. Being over the cap for years with such bad contracts only to clear the books to set the stage for Lebron. Yea they probably should of had Lebron on board but the franchise had to make a lot of those financial decisions anyway. Now in Dolan style they throw 100 million dollars to another guy with shot knees, don’t land the prize they wanted, and now all the big fish are gone. WTF.
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-8:55am at 8:55 am (UTC -4)
Carmelo in 2011?
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
Amen and great post Gary!!..Now Walsh will leave us with
Amare’s contract
and a Coach whos system simply can’t win!…Great!!….
saltygary
7/9/2010-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
You guys see the statement on Cleveland’s website? I owner just completely bashed Bron Bron to the point that he cursed him.
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html
Just can’t make this stuff up.
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
Yeah…Not classy
at all BUT neither
was the way LeBron
handled the whole situation and turned out to be as big a phoney as ARod….
saltygary
7/9/2010-9:15am at 9:15 am (UTC -4)
The whole situation will be an exercise on how not to do things for a long long time.
Ya think Dolan has stopped dry heaving yet?
metsfan4decades
7/9/2010-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
I read that this morning, even though I don’t follow basketball.
Seemed a little over the top to me, but as I said, not following basketball, I don’t know how much of a blow this was to Cleveland.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
LeBron literally stood off to the side sulking on the court during some of those games….really and truly…..
Mr North Jersey
7/9/2010-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
Dude that was awesome!
I have a little bit of issue with the loyaly aspect because in the end it is a business. But not knowing how far the Cavs were willing to go to sign him or what promises were made for him to say I will assume they moved Heaven and Earth to appease him but it wasn’t enough.
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:14am at 9:14 am (UTC -4)
They did…Or
would have!
In the end, he
pulled an ARod!
Hitched his wagon to another superstar who
has already won
b/c he, himself
couldnt get the job done
as”the man” despite being paid as such and wanting to be seen as such!
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:20am at 9:20 am (UTC -4)
And did you see any of the games the Cavs’ owner mentioned? LeBron made a spectacle of himself.
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
I did.watched very little NBA this yr BUT ALOT of NBA playoffs.He came up short and soft.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:12am at 9:12 am (UTC -4)
Saw that last night….much of it is pretty dead-on. Did you see the games he is talking about?
LeBron totally gave up and did not even try to take shots. Definitely was commented on a lot at the time too.
Never have I seen someone of his level play like that. He gave up, pure and simple, and made Jordan and Reggie Miller and every other last-second NBA hero look a heck of a lot better.
LeBron is smart, he is not a criminal like so many of today’s pro athletes, but he is a major corporation, and he is all about the bottom line of LeBron, Inc.
Wish that corporation was wearing a Nets uniform….
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:22am at 9:22 am (UTC -4)
Well my friend
while I agree
hes smart,it
would seem to me that from the start if he
wanted to turn LeBron the brand into LeBron the legend, there
were only three
options,Knicks
Nets or stay in Cleveland.
The Miami move
is a weak ARod
type move AND
he couldn’t go to Chicago b/c
of the Jordan factor.
To have gone to the Knicks
and deliver even one Ring
for the first time in 40yrs
would have made him a God.
Same with The Nets,moving to Crooklyn,trying to finally steal NY from the Knicks,the
JayZ connection to a
new generation
etc,etc….
OR…simply stay home with
the Cavs and finish what was
started,be a lifelong hero
and be remembered fondly forever.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:42am at 9:42 am (UTC -4)
Agreed with every word–big surprise!
I have always thought Wade might be the most underrated all-time great in sports, and if they win a title, it might be Wade’s as much as LeBron’s.
fongy2
7/9/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
Yeah I thought he was Sidney Moncreif when he 1st came into the league…Wrong!!
oleosmirf
7/9/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
well LeBron is now the most hated athlete maybe of all time right now.
The NBA will always be a frontrunner league but i still think fans will all be rooting against the Heat going forward.
metsfan4decades
7/9/2010-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
If Nick Evans is on his way up, who is on his way down – who would he be replacing?
In other news, it’s being reported this morning that the Yankees may have made an offer for Lee, or at least someone is leaking that news in an effort to get the other teams interested to up their offers for Lee.
Here’s MC’s current opinion on this:
for what it’s worth, i don’t think Wilmer Flores, Jenrry Mejia and Josh Thole will be enough to get lee… i think at least Angel Pagan or Jon Niese will have to replace one of flores or mejia, and i know the M’s like Bobby Parnell as well…
**********
Too high – pass….
fongy2
7/9/2010-8:53am at 8:53 am (UTC -4)
Agreed!!..No moving Niese or
Thole!!
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. Pass. Paging Mr. Oswalt or Lilly…
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
Carter goes—he is awful.
Cannot do anything.
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
What????
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-9:12am at 9:12 am (UTC -4)
King is pro-Jerry, Anti-the Animal these days, didn’t you know?
Teasing King, just teasing.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:15am at 9:15 am (UTC -4)
Check out Chris Carter’s stats—-he is just even worse than I thought—take out the 2 HR in Baltimore, and his stats are really, really atrocious.
The fact that he cannot run, throw, or field doesn’t help much….
And I agree totally about LeBron Fong!
The Knicks and the Nets should have another nice run at the lottery next year!
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:28am at 9:28 am (UTC -4)
How was Vegas??
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Great, wonderful, exciting, beautiful, relaxing….I love that town.
Only black mark was betting on the Mets in the Strasburg game, and already counting the winnings when it was 5-1!
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/9/2010-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
F-in Yankees. Why do they have to do this? They’ve got the best record in the league and now they want to do this?
F-in frustrating
metsfan4decades
7/9/2010-8:59am at 8:59 am (UTC -4)
I’m reading further that the Yankees might be trying to acquire Werth in a trade for Vasquez. That’s the only way getting Lee right now for them makes sense to me.
saltygary
7/9/2010-9:00am at 9:00 am (UTC -4)
Don’t worry, they do this with many trades. They just like to cause trouble, I doubt they will grab him. I am doubting the Mets as well though.
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:09am at 9:09 am (UTC -4)
Their objective is to
Win a Championship at
ANY and ALL costs!!!
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:17am at 9:17 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, and if they TRIPLE the Rays’ payroll, which I believe adding Lee would do, maybe they can beat the Rays for the division!
The Yanks are a joke. Do even their fans think they would be in 3rd place if they had a $140 million payroll?
I sure hope the Mets never become like them.
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-9:20am at 9:20 am (UTC -4)
We all hope they don’t, then we all freak out when they don’t sign the big big names for the offseason. We are funny fans, aren’t we?
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, to an extent.
But still, nothing in baseball history compares to the 2009-2010 Yanks.
I researched it, and in the 20s with Ruth and Gehrig and the 50s and the 70s and even the 90s, some years they did not even have the number one payroll, and if they did, it was slightly ahead of numbers 2 and 3.
The way they are outspending the next highest spenders (something like 210 mil to 160 and 150 for the next teams, then under 100 for many teams) is just unprecedented in US sports history.
To me, it makes a mockery of the game.
I like the Mets being in the top 3-4 spenders, but would never want them to win the way the Yanks do now.
Rooting for the 2009-2010 Yanks is like rooting for a pile of money.
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
And even in the late 90′s and early 00′s, much of their talent was home grown. Jeter, Mariano, Pettite, Posada…
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Yes, that too!
Mr North Jersey
7/9/2010-9:25am at 9:25 am (UTC -4)
Sounds like jealousy to me.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Wrong again!
Mr North Jersey
7/9/2010-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
Yup I guess so I mean why else would a franchise that is regarded the best sports franchise in the world and has more rings than they can put on their fingers and that have so many Hall Of Famers that Cooperstown would be a shell of itself without them and have retired so many numbers that all the numbers left will be in the double digits would be called a joke if not because of some sort of jealousy?
Yup I missed the boat on that one once again.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
What I meant was TODAY’s Yankees.
My comments above regarding payrolls through history actually compliment the Yanks over the years–until the last few years, they always won by being AMONG the highest spenders, NOT by outspending the next highest spenders by 30-40%.
Big, big difference.
In the 1990s, some years they were not even the highest spenders, and even when they were, it was not by much.
In 2009, they won by outspending. Anyone could do that.
I love how the Mets are developing a team which will have some big-money mercenaries, but also will largely have lots of homegrown talent, just like the 96-00 Yanks.
fongy2
7/9/2010-9:26am at 9:26 am (UTC -4)
I’d take a decade run of playoffs every year and 5 rings…Any chance your new Russian
gangsta owner wants to buy a baseball team??
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
Ha! I am not sure he knows about baseball…but that would be interesting.
rustyjr
7/9/2010-9:09am at 9:09 am (UTC -4)
Trade bait perhaps ?
metsfan4decades
7/9/2010-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
Now I’m wondering if Thole will get sent down if Evans comes up. I still don’t understand why we’re carrying 3 catchers, unless it was to showcase Thole.
We could probably live w/o Carter for this series – and beyond, as Beltran should be returning for the first series after the ASB. How many OFs do we need then?
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
It definitely makes sense. That can happen and then one of Barajas/Blanco will fall apart and he’ll be back. Get this kid a frequent flyer mileage card, stat!
metsfan4decades
7/9/2010-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
Buster Olney just said on ESPN radio he believe Lee will be traded by end of today.
If so…good. He’s become like the Lebron story of baseball this past month, only he has no say in where he’s traded to.
And if this is true, I have to believe he’s not coming to the Mets. So be it. Now Omar can move on to other available pitchers..
Mr North Jersey
7/9/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
I expressed this thought yesterday that is once Lee has been traded all the teams that were after him will move on to the next available pitcher.
So if Minaya never really wanted Lee to begin with why would he wait for Lee to be traded to try and get the pitcher he really covets if it is believed once Lee is gone Minaya will have to in theory compete that much more with other teams as well?
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
Cause that’s how the big O’ rolls!
rustyjr
7/9/2010-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
I got the feeling that Ollie P will be Omars guy
Omar will say that getting Ollie back will be lie getting a big time starter to fill the rotation spot
metsfan4decades
7/9/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
You’re joking right? You have to be, right?
Please tell me you’re joking. LOL….
I know Ollie will be back. I know Omar said he has to weigh the market and what’s available against what we already have but….there is no way he can be thinking either Ollie or Maine coming back from the DL are any kind of an upgrade…
stickguy
7/9/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
He is not joking. I think pretty much the same thing. ALthough it is still possible that Omar hedges the bet, and double dips by getting another SP (Lilly, I hope). That way, worst case is 6 men, and Dickey gets shafted (pun intended) into the pen. Best case, they have the depth to cover for ollie sucking or never making it back.
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Rather have a gun and never need to use it than the opposite, right?
stickguy
7/9/2010-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
you have been in Texas too long man.
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-10:45am at 10:45 am (UTC -4)
HAHA! Good one.
metsfan4decades
7/9/2010-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
Good question – one I don’t have an answer for.
Maybe the mindset is to hold off on acquiring another pitcher not named Lee, in the hopes that Lee could still be had by less prospects than originally asked for – sorta like Johan?
stickguy
7/9/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
probably just that Omar figures he can always get one of those other guys (and is prepared to pay the price), but wants to hold off just in case he gets lucky with Lee?
and quite possibly, the other teams realize the same thing, and are waiting for Lee to be moved to set the bar, and create more competition for their guy.
rustyjr
7/9/2010-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
It is disheartening though
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
Agreed.
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Maybe Evans is on his way… to another team! Go Go Gadget Oswalt!
fongy2
7/9/2010-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
Now THAT would be nice!!!
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Someone mentioned it somewhere, can’t remember who or where. TRS maybe?
Oswalt and all of his salary for Oliie (and all his salary), Tejada, Fmart and Gee or something comparable. That gives them a starting P for this year, a starting 2B/SS for this year, an OF for this/next year and another Minor leaguer + some salary relief (IE, savings this year, some savings next year and no worry of the buyout/option year. Just a thought. Now finish your bagel and coffee Omar and start pulling triggers!
stickguy
7/9/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
we were discussing it the other day. Not sure where it originated. After thinking on it, I actually like the idea! They still need to get another guy someplace for depth (which sadly, Ollie is at the moment). Myers would be a fine optin for that.
not sure if you got the right package, but by giving them a ML (hee hee) pitcher, and having them absorb salary, it isn’t clear to me what that does to the parameters of the deal.
If they can make it Tejada, Gee and someone not F Mart (Duda, Evans, Ratliff), then it would be a heist.
They just need to keep Thole. And make him the primary catcher!
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
By they with the Thole comment, you are meaning the Mets, right? Cause Astros have no need for a catcher. And the Mets are going to next year for sure.
stickguy
7/9/2010-10:59am at 10:59 am (UTC -4)
yes. mets should keep thole, and start playing him regularly.
stickguy
7/9/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
Evans makese a ton of sense with Tatis out. Carter is getting so few ABs, and Evans actually plays the same positins, only better (especially 1st). Plus, he has played some 3B, recently too. So from that standpoint, entirely logical.
And Jerry seems to love Thole as a PH, and Jesus is holding his own.
So you gain a glove and RH bat with some pop, but lose the only (theoretical) LH power off the bench.
Oh, and make Kingman super duper happy!
ceetar
7/9/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
It’s almost definitely Carter. Manuel uses even Jesus ahead of Carter most days. He made quotes about Blanco backing up 1b/3b instead of Carter. Until Beltran gets back (well, it’s 3 days, so..) we could use a righty bat off the bench, Evans has power, etc. I actually like Evans a bit. (If we later want to swap Thole for Carter or another lefty bat that’d work too. Frenchy becomes the OF/RH bat off the bench next week)
Feliciano likely goes for Beltran.
oleosmirf
7/9/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
i agree that Carter is the obvious choice here but I believe they will keep Feliciano up and send down a catcher when Beltran returns or place Blanco on the DL where he would be back for the Arizona series.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
Thole on the team continuing to look good makes me very happy.
Evans being given another chance also makes me happy.
Carter in the minors where he belongs also makes me happy.
Actually, just about everything about this team and its future makes me pretty happy right now!
Oh, did anyone hear where LeBron is going?
ceetar
7/9/2010-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
Beltran and Castillo back makes me happy.
Evans getting a chance does too.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
Have to agree.
Really like Tejada, but he probably needs the rest of the year at AAA. He improved hugely in all facets of his game from A ball to AA, so there is a lot of reason to expect that he will continue to improve in Buffalo and very possibly be ready to be at least a stopgap in 2011.
And Cora has been doing well enough to give Slappy a rest 1-2 days a week.
stickguy
7/9/2010-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
I also hope that Lee gets traded today. Like in the next 5 minutes. Like Lebron, I am so tired of seeing rumors and speculation. Just go someplace. And I don’t expect it to be to the Mets, and for the reported prices, I am glad!
Then just either work out the crazy deal for oswalt (he is growing on me), or the likely best option, Lilly.
oleosmirf
7/9/2010-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
well Lee has no control over that. cant blame him…
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Oswalt is the best option, hands down, when considering his career, his contract status, and what we would be likely to trade for him.
A healthy Roy Harvey starting the championship run of 2011 with Johan, Pelf, Niese, and Dickey as #5?
Wow.
Let the mercenarie$ in the Bronx have Lee and give him a 200 mil deal.
oleosmirf
7/9/2010-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
cant disagree with you here.
Tejada, F-Mart and Familia (or another pitching prospect not named Mejia) is a pretty fair offer.
and if they are willing to eat some of Oswalt’s deal it makes sense to just have them take Ollie and let the pick up the same number on Ollie as they were willing to eat for Oswalt.
stickguy
7/9/2010-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
Kong, just curious, but if they get Oswalt soon (say for right after the ASB), why is there not a championship march this year?
They have all those pitchers now, Beltran should be back next week, and they are only 3 games back in 2nd place.
Not much is going to change with this team next year (especially in this scenerio, since the only big acquistion for the off season, a SP, would already be in place), other then a few guys getting a year older (for good or bad).
oleosmirf
7/9/2010-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
i believe that if the Mets get Oswalt, Lilly or a top 3 SP as well as a legit 8th inning guy, the Mets will be the best team in the NL
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
Thanks for asking!
I just think we may be a tad short this year. I also think with Oswalt, we will most likely make the playoffs this year. I just think we may be a little short to win it all.
Next year, however, will be different–different faces might be seen at C, 2B, and RF, plus surely in the pen and on the bench.
Also, Ike Davis (and Jon Niese) will have so much more experience, and Beltran will be starting the year in shape, and playing for his last big deal in his walk year. Reyes will also start the year 100%, and Bay can only get better. These factors (plus the possibility of a more productive RF in either Pagan or FMart or someone else) will make next year’s offense fantastic.
Add this to a rotation of Johan, Oswalt, Pelf, Niese, and Dickey, and one more good pen arm, and the one star Omar adds every year in the offseason, and I sincerely think we have a 95–100 win team that can win it all.
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
Plus, Oswalt’s nearly-ideal contract situation means you have him through 2012 at what have to be considered reasonable salaries, AND I believe he has a buyout for 2012, so if he ages fast, we are not hamstrung with him for years at 20 mil/per.
Mr North Jersey
7/9/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
Often when I hear talks of the great things the future holds for the Mets I am reminded of this.
“The best-laid schemes o’ mice an’ men
Gang aft agley,
An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!”
or in it’s more popular form
“The best laid schemes of mice and men
Go often askew,
And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
For promised joy!”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_a_Mouse
Kingman 26
7/9/2010-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
Very very true.
However, I remember how 1984 and 1985 felt, and this year feels an awful lot like that….nice mix of vets and rising youngsters and rookies; just needing another couple of pieces and a little more aging for the kids.
I respectfully clarified my Yankee payroll comments above sir, in case you did not notice….
oleosmirf
7/9/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
if the Mets get Oswalt, i think you consider him to be the “star” of the offseason and that leaves the bullpen as his only need in the offseason.
i would want to see Francouer brought back at a reasonable contract (that means non-tendering and then resigning for cheaper) and 1 or 2 arms added to the pen and thats it
njstuckintx
7/9/2010-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
And honestly, figuring Dickey, Gee, Mejia, Taka fighting it out for the 5th spot, there are no other needs than BP and Bench, if you are figuring Pagan or one of the baby mets in RF and Thole + another for the Catcher.