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ceetar
7/16/2010-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Beltran also talked about feeling like he did when he was called up for the first time. He’s excited to be here, and I like that.
stickguy
7/16/2010-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
what was the crazy thing, trying to steal 2nd base? Or just going out on the filed at all?
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
It was in regards to the caught stealing.
stickguy
7/16/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
speaking of OFs (trying to stay slightly to topic), I checked out the BP article about Oswalt that popped up on spyder. Whoever wrote it picked 4 teams that made sense, and speculated on trade pieces. It was the Mets, White sox, and I didn’t reald the others!
He did ramble on about trading with Houston (how bad they need prospects, and hating to eat salary), so I have no idea if this proposal had the mets picking up the frieght, but I have to assume it was with Houston eating a bunch of salary:
“Mets trade Fernando Martinez, Kirk Nieuwenhuis, and Reese Havens”
Certainly interesting, and it excluded Mejia, but to me, that is a non-starter.
so qick poll: Would you trade those three, assuming say that Houston ate 12mill of the 24 still owed him for 1.5 years?
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Well, to nitpick, they want a pitcher back. (If you can put perez in there and pick up oswalts full salary, then we are talking!) Now, for your proposal, I’d probably do it, but would prefer swapping Havens for Tejada. Kirk’s been ripping it up for sure, but I’m not so worried about losing the OF prospects. Throw the sink at Crawford, have a 1 year hit on the salary (though losing Frenchy would help some). Granted re-signing Reyes is a priority etc. etc., but that would come from Beltrans salary being gone.
Kingman 26
7/16/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Well, after a quick look at the Sticktionary for the definitions of filed and reald, I am ready to comment.
FMart, Capt Kirk and Havens for Roy Harvey is VERY tempting.
Roy’s owed salary is VERY reasonable for someone of his stature, we control him through 2012 with a buyout for that year, and he is better than almost any available pitcher. Ted Lilly is not the answer and not worth giving up more than one lesser Junior Core member for. No on Lilly.
If we can get Roy without losing Ike, Niese, Mejia, Thole, Tejada, etc, we have to do it, and do it now. And take on Roy’s dough; it is not that much all things considered.
Johan, Roy, Pelf, Niese, Dickster?
That’s a near-MLB best rotation, with everyone back next year as long as the Dickster doesn’t get out of hand with his dough demands.
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
Not sure if it’s MLB Best, but I’d take it any day of the week and possible 2 times on sundays.
fongy2
7/16/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Agreed!…And 2nd your thoughts on Ted Lilly.
If the Wilponss are too
dumb or too cheap to go get Oswalt, then I
hope Omar will be allowed to get us Brett
Myers and Kevin Gregg.
I think that would be a solid combo pick-up
which shouldn’t cost a whole lot AND would give us two solid ,veteran, tough
MLB Pitchers who have gotten big outs in tough situations before
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
but all accounts say the Mets cant afford Roy
fongy2
7/16/2010-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
I have mixed feelings about trading
some of our prospects for ANYONE.
I’m biased toward the kids b/c most
of them I’ve seen play with The
Bingo Mets. Having said that though,
if theres any way to get Oswalt w/o
having to give up an Ike Davis or Josh
Thole, I think you’ve absolutely got to do it!
I’ve been comparing FMart to Dave DeJesus for a couple yrs now, and again THAT’s still down the road a
couple/three yrs. Someone here, maybe
Heb??….Pointed out a comparision
of Meijia to Octavio Dotel. I like
Tejada and yes hes still a baby BUT
looking at what he projects to….
Is it Scutaro at best?? Or one of the
Izturis brothers??..Or Ronny Cedeno??
Maybe Omar Infante????……….
Who wouldn’t trade a package of Dotel,
Dejesus and Infante for Oswalt????….
It would seem to me that this is a no-brainer!!….As far as the money….
Do The Wilpons want to Win??….
Or just HOPE to”Play meaningful games
in September”??….The Wilpons are broke??….With the new stadium,network,Bklyn Cyclones,MLB.com
And MLBnetwork money??..Oswalt’s contract seems pretty reasonable for
a clear-cut #1 Ace SPer.
Again, this seems like a no-brainer.
stickguy
7/16/2010-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
to me, an often overlooked part is the money. Not what you have to pay the guy coming in (oswalt in this case), but what you have to pay to the FA you sign to replace others.
That is, if you are trading viable ML potential pieces at holes you need to fill soon, and don’t have another just as good replacement, you will be on the open market finding players at much higher prices. and that money has to come out of the budget somewhere.
in 2012, the mets don’t have a 2B or CF signed. So say that Kirk is #1 on the depth chart for CF, and Havens #1 for 2B. If you trade them both, then you need to go to a lesser prospect, or more likely, sign someone.
and I think we have seen over the years with the mets that the “quick fix” often snowballs for years, as there are no ML ready guys in the minors to step in, so they have to sign even more expensive old guys to fill the gaps.
I like the idea of spending the big money on elite players, and filling as many gaps as possible with the cheap home growns, instead of mediocre yet not cheap (think: Cstillo) old guys.
fongy2
7/16/2010-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
Agreed about spending on elite players……
And Oswalt is an elite Pitcher. Understand your point about future budgets as well.
BUT after next season
Bel-Tron and Ollie come off the books and
Thats 30mil right there. Of course there are the questions about
the future contracts of Reyes,Wright,Pelf etc….But in the end
the question remains..
Do the Wilpons want to
win a championship NOW?
The window is open as
we can all agree the NL
is there for the taking
THIS SEASON, Johan,KRod
and Beltran aren’t kids
and adding Oswalt would
go a long way toward making us a serious
playoff team AND if
we do indeed get in as
Division winner or wildcard,having Johan,
Oswalt and Pelf as a 1,2,3 makes us a very,
very dangerous team against any other playoff team.
How good and how much money would the Wilpons make with a deep playoff run???
Not to mention a potential Subway series???
stickguy
7/16/2010-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
always the trade off of course. But at 5 back, how much of a contendor are they? Although I think this road trip will answer a lot of the question, and conveniently, it will end right a week before the trade deadline. Quite likely we don’t see Houston move him before then anyway. And unless you are within a couple of games, 10-11 starts from a different SP isn’t going to be enough to propel you into the playoffs.
But, I also think you should look at the window as 2 years (2010 and 2011). Reasonably, you can expect comparable or better (or at lest more of it) performance next year out of the guys that are almost done (beltran), getting older (K Rod/Johan) or hurt (Reyes).
very likely, next years team is very close to this one, but hopefully without Frenchy, and with a better 2B and C starting. the rest of the guys should be as good, or better, given how many are still young and just reaching their prime.
Maybe just MHO, but I don’t think this is a “this year or bust” team. 2012, now that could be way different.
THis is why I love the idea of trading for a good to VG SP that is under control for 2011 too (Haren being my dream). Make the run now, and keep running next year.
I just really want them to keep Havens. I see him at 2B next year, and many years after. I also really like Kirk.
Trade Mejia and F Mart/Tejada to AZ for Haren. That I can live with!
fongy2
7/16/2010-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
Havens hasn’t shown he can stay healthy,
likely wont be our 2Bman next yr
AND Oswalt is under control for another
season.
Also,adding an Oswalt isn’t assimple
as just the starts he provides
instead
of someone like Takahashi..And b/t/w it
would likely be more like 13/14starts BUT
the domino effect it has on the rest of the rotation
and bullpen.
Plus,like I said
theres always the playoffs.
stickguy
7/16/2010-12:12pm at 12:12 pm (UTC -4)
I am assuming that if Oswalt does get moved, it wil lbe right at the deadline, so more like 10/11 starts. Maybe 12, depending on how the rotation falls. No way 14, unless they get him today!
Havans still like. Extremely talented, excellent hitter. As soon as he (hpoefully) gets over the minor pulss, etc. (nothing major or structuralt), he can come fast. Will he be the opening day 2B next year? Maybe not, but it is not inconceivable, and he certainly could arrive early in the season.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
I like Havens too and probably Oswalt gets dealt towards the deadline. But where Oswalt bring value is the playoffs. Having Johan, Oswalt, Pelf to lead off will definitely give advantage.
Imagine you have to face the Cards in the playoffs, you are facing
Carpenter
Wainwright
Garcia
that’s scary… so the Mets need counter punch guy like Oswalt.
stickguy
7/16/2010-12:24pm at 12:24 pm (UTC -4)
playoffs? we’re talking playoffs? Playoffs?
anyway, it still depends on how close they are to the playoffs come the trade deadline. A SP upgrade certainly helps, but isn’t going to overcome a 5+ game deficit all by himself.
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
Fongy in addition to Beltran & Ollie, Castillo also comes off.
20.071
12.000
06.250
$38.321 mil coming off the books.
fongy2
7/16/2010-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
Holy Mary!…
How could I,
of all people forget
Luis Aches&Pains??
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
Even better, I am assuming (dangerous I know) that the Mets are going to part company with Jeff Francoeur and John Maine after this season so they have $8.3 mil more available for 2011 to help offset Oswalt.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-12:12pm at 12:12 pm (UTC -4)
But that money will probably be picked up by Pagan.
Why does Pagan have 4th Arb year? Was he a super-2?
stickguy
7/16/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
Pelfrey I believe will also get a big rais. Isn’t he arb eligible after this year?
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
Yes he is
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
But I’m sure Reyes’ salary will take up $15-16M. And not to mention significant increase in KRod’s salary if the option gets picked up. So, the Mets will probably have a room to sign 1 significant player, but I don’t think we should expect much more than that.
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
I agree & I’m not expecting more than that. I am hoping that one player for the rest of 2010 & all of 2011 is Oswalt. If he remains healthy and productive they should have room for his 2012 option as well due to Ollie/Carlos/Luis going away.
But should they trade for Oswalt soon, I would already then not expect them to sign any significant dollar player this coming off season and I’d be OK with that.
stickguy
7/16/2010-12:16pm at 12:16 pm (UTC -4)
looking big picture, most likely, they wil lonly have $ room for 1 largeish contract after this year. So, if they get Oswalt, then you have your team, other than the usual shuffling of bench and MR pen guys.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
Same here. And I believe if Oswalt gets traded, he’ll demand the 2012 option to get picked up.
stickguy
7/16/2010-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
we also have no idea if he actually has the mets on his list (if he gave wade one) of teams to which he would accept a trade.
Who knows, for all the bashing he gets, maybe Omar is going hard after him, but he is playing hard to get?
stickguy
7/16/2010-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
well, technically you have to put Reyes in the “off the books” catagory after 2011 too. He will be a FA, and the Mets have no option on him (just offering arb), and there is no guarantee that he will resign with the Mets.
If he does, then yeah, he will eat up at least the money freed up with Slappy leaving.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-12:19pm at 12:19 pm (UTC -4)
You don’t think the Mets will let Reyes walk, do you? I would not be very happy….
stickguy
7/16/2010-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
not entirely up to the mets though. He gets to pick where he wants to play, and it is possible another team makes him a Godfather (aks Hampton) offer, and he decides he would rather play elsewhere!
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
I’m sure his contract extension will be discussed at length from now till the beginning of next season.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
Completely agree with you Fong.
To add to your point, we all agree that after this season, this team needs another viable SP. Dickey and Taka have been great, but do we honestly think they can do this all season let alone next season? And do we believe that Mejia will be major league ready next season? I would say no to both questions.
So this team needs to get starting pitching not only this season but next season too. So if the Mets were to go out and get a SP via FA, do you think a pitcher of Oswalt’s caliber could be signed at 2/$32M? Probably not. I mean Lee is probably looking at Lackey’s money with at least 4 years. That’s committing a lot. 2/32M is not.
And plus, Mejia, Tejada, FMart is not going to happen if you pick up all his salary. I would think FMart, Tejada and some b-level pitching prospect should be more than sufficient IF the Mets were to pick up his salary. If Mejia gets involved, Astros need to pay some $$ to cover Oswalt’s contract.
fongy2
7/16/2010-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed..
BUT as far as
Lee,with
another big finish,
the Yankees
give him an even bigger,
longer contract than
what Lackey rec’d.
stickguy
7/16/2010-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
I like the idea of Oswalt being locked in for 2011. But, you do have to start being carefuly about keeping prospects to step in and play, since the team will likely be maxed out on payroll already, so no other “real” $ signings!
wright, reyes, beltran, santana, oswalt, Ollie, bay, K rod and slappy. That’s what, $130 million right there for 2011?
Unless the wilpons really do have a nice nest egg in reserve, or they are willing to run a serious deficit for 1 year, not a lot of room for the other 16 players on the roster!
so they really should look to keep a guy to step into RF (or CF if beltran misses time) to go along with pagan, and a catcher that works cheap. Although they did get lucky with a budget catching duo this year at least.
Kingman 26
7/16/2010-1:03pm at 1:03 pm (UTC -4)
Sitkc,
GREAT comment on FWICG.iknownothing.com on Myers.
Really excellent and well-said.
PS—If we have a healthy Roy Harvey for 2011 and a few other things break right (healthy Reyes/Beltran, Dickster for real, Parnell finally arrived, continued improvement from Pelf/Niese/Tejada) we won’t NEED no other stinkin’ signings.
Love,
Knogman (pronounced Kuh-NOGG-Minh)
stickguy
7/16/2010-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
well, thanks for the props. I was getting a tad annoyed by some of the knee-jerk reactions (on a very personal, non-baseball) level to the idea that the Mets were kicking the tires on him.
In case anyone else cares about our little love fest, here is the comment:
Myers would be a good pickup. Solid pitcher, having a good year. And, if they get another SP too, he also has experience as a closer, so he quite possibly could fill in at the back end of the BP.
and get off the high horses. He had 1 incident, and either no charges were filed, or everything was dropped. None of know what actually happened. I do know that his wife forgave him, and publically has said that the experience changed him, and made them closer.
and I will give him a pass for calling out Hamels for being a big baby. Count that as having “grit”. And at least he won’t take any crap from the other team (and isn’t that what most people feel the mets need more of?)
anyway, so as to not be hippocrates, make sure to hate and want off the team every “bad” person. DUIs, domestic violence accusations, rape accusations (even if the police did not have enough independant evidence to charge), etc. You might run out of players, and the team will sure stink, but at least you will be happy to root for them!
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
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stickguy
7/16/2010-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
I do agree with your sentiments about 2011. Without giving up on 2010 at all, next year could be the big one. Or not…
nice thing is, if they do it right, they can make a move that makes them better now, and also improves them for next year, and that is not always easy to do.
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
With all this salary talk we should also keep in the back of our minds that theoretically they have $23 mil available in that for 2009 they spent $149 mil, 2010 $126 mil. Maybe they’re poor and don’t have it but until someone proves that to me I will continue to believe these funds are available for a player they deem worthy.
So you guys can figure out what raises you think current players eligible for arb or with already built in raises might add up to but in lieu of that:
Mets theoretically have:
$23.000 mil available 2010
$8.3 mil available 2011
$38.321 mil available 2012
that based on the concept that they are willing/able to spend $149 mil on salaries in each year.
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
Is 2011 counting on picking up Reyes option?
I figure Reyes gets 15 per for 4-5. Could be more, so, 1/2 that 2012 is gone. I really hope the remainder of that is on 1 higher end SP and the rest for bench guys (minus arb raises and the such). It really becomes mandatory for Thole, Havens/Tejada, and Kirk/Fmart/(put in other minor league OF prospect) to be ready to play everyday in 2012. If not, there done be trouble! Realizing Pelf is going to start to get expensive hurts. Niese should be cheap for a while. Maybe the guy they drafted this year sniffs the bigs in 2012… Ike still should be cheap.
It is really do-able, but they have to be smart about this. yeah, yeah, I hear you readers laughing about that last sentence. Makes me chuckle and groan at the same time.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-1:43pm at 1:43 pm (UTC -4)
So.. MLBTR is reporting that the Mets are interested in Myers. Sounds good. But if Myers is all the Mets are going to acquire this trade deadline, I would be very disappointed.
If the Mets have traded for Lee, it would’ve been great.
If the Mets trade for Oswalt, it would be very good.
If the Mets trade for Lily, it would be okay.
If the Mets trade for Myers and no one else? It is no good.
stickguy
7/16/2010-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
myers is at least as go, so why no good?
He is having a very solid year as a SP. He has gone at least 6 every start, and no other NL SP has done that.
Myers in the rotation and Taka back in the pen, IMO, does make this team better. Enough to make the playoffs? Who knows. But he would instantly improve the team, at what should be a relatively minor cost.
not saying that I would rather have him than Oswalt, but considering the huge difference in $$ and prospects likely required to get him, the Mets just might!
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
Heck, get oswalt and myers. Myers to the pen for the WS run!
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-2:07pm at 2:07 pm (UTC -4)
I understand what you are saying and yes adding Myers would be an upgrade. But if adding Lee is +10 and Oswalt is +8, Lily would be like +5 and Myers would be +3.
I just don’t think adding Myers will give you much advantage over Bravos and Phillies. OR any of the NL WC competing teams. I could be wrong and probably am, but I just don’t see the point of making trades if you are adding +3 and give up prospects.
Now if it’s Myers AND Lily that would be a completely different story. But we all know that’s not going to happen.
stickguy
7/16/2010-2:08pm at 2:08 pm (UTC -4)
just realized I missed a bunch of letters. that was supposed to say at least as good as lilly.
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Oswalt is not coming here unfortunately.
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
Neither was Santana. Happy thoughts. It’s Friday.
stickguy
7/16/2010-2:40pm at 2:40 pm (UTC -4)
wait, it’s Friday? Well dang, I am going to go grab myself a brewskie!
I do agree that Oleo is awfully certain of something that he has no actual knowledge of. Stranger things have happened, and I would be quite surprised if he had not at least been discussed.
COuld end up being similar to johan, that it got late, and no one else was left at the dance, so they had to go home together!
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t blame oleo at all. Easier to brace for disappointment and be pleasantly suprised if the opposite happens. I try to keep my brain from going that way.
Either way, while it doesn’t feel like Oswalt will make his way here, I never imagined Santana would, so who’s to say what the future holds.
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-2:47pm at 2:47 pm (UTC -4)
the difference was the Mets wanted Santana but the talk was the Mets couldnt outbid NYY or BOS
He arent getting Oswalt b/c every news outlet (ESPN, WFAN, MLB Network, SI, Yahoo etc.) is reporting the Mets have no money and can’t add payroll.
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-2:49pm at 2:49 pm (UTC -4)
So, Fmart, Mejia, Tejada and Gee, Astros eat the whole salary. May not be what the Mets would want to give up, but it solves the whole salary issue. And the Astros are on record stating they would eat salary for better prospects.
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
but the Mets aren’t doing that…
stickguy
7/16/2010-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
unless you are actually omar or Jeffy, you don’t actually know what the mets can or will do.
And all of those media outlets don’t really know either. All just guesswork, rumors, and interpretation.
Not too long ago no one thought that the Rangers could possibly be in on Lee either. And we knew for a fact that they had no money!
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-3:05pm at 3:05 pm (UTC -4)
yes I do know that Omar is not trading his #1 and #2 prospect together in the same deal…
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
It’s different when one’s #1 & #2 barely crack the top 50 for all of the minors.
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
doesn’t matter, TRS does a much better job explaining it that i do, but it just doesnt happen…
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
I’m reasonably certain that all those same media outlets which report that the Mets have no money and can’t add payroll also reported Cliff Lee to the Yankees as a “done deal.”
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-3:18pm at 3:18 pm (UTC -4)
well the deal was agreed on until Texas got word and upped the offer…
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-3:31pm at 3:31 pm (UTC -4)
“Media reports” have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Did they show the Mets tax returns? Did they name specific sources? What was the evidence, that the Mets have a lower payroll than last season?
Any baseball organization is not required to equal or raise it’s payroll annually to show onlookers that they are not broke. To the best of my knowledge the only evidence that supports the Mets being broke is circumstantial, in that they have a lower payroll in 2010 as opposed to 2009. That’s the only tangible item that supports the broke argument. Everything else is “anonymous sources” and supposition.
There are stories out there that also have no tangible evidence to support their theories which say the Wilpons are not broke, this one for example:
http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=27736
metsfan4decades
7/16/2010-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
I have the impression that one media outlet speculated the Wilpons were broke and therefore would not be increasing payroll and those that jumped on that same story just ran with it.
trs86
7/16/2010-3:43pm at 3:43 pm (UTC -4)
Bingo.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/16/2010-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
Is it because the Mets don’t want him or he doesn’t want to come?
metsfan4decades
7/16/2010-2:39pm at 2:39 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know that I’m thrilled with the idea of getting Myers. He had problems in his career and if I’m not mistaken Philly had to send him back down to triple A to find his strike zone again when they fooled around with him in the BP (or some such scenario).
Depends on what prospects we have to give up for him. I agree wholeheartedly we need depth for SP. He wouldn’t be my first choice though…..
gategem
7/16/2010-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
If you go to amazing avenue there is an excellent article on Mike Pelfrey’s dead arm phase.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/7/16/1571467/mike-pelfreys-dead-arm-phase-part
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-3:06pm at 3:06 pm (UTC -4)
the big question is what would you give up for Lilly?
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-3:38pm at 3:38 pm (UTC -4)
Based on these media reports that you note which suggest the Mets are broke the only relevant Mets-related trade discussions that won’t be complete wastes of time are those that are salary-neutral.
Ted Lilly’s salary this season is $13,000,000. Since the Mets are broke they’d have to send $13,000,000 back to Chicago to acquire him. Therefore the Mets would have to offer Chicago Oliver Perez ($12,000,000) and Hisanori Takahashi ($1,000,000) for Lilly. Otherwise media reports say it can’t happen unless Chicago is willing to send $$$ in exchange for prospects, since the Mets are broke.
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-3:40pm at 3:40 pm (UTC -4)
I sense snarky-ness.
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
Nah, that beeping sound you hear is the signal that the battery in your snark-detector is getting low.
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-3:47pm at 3:47 pm (UTC -4)
heh. the beeping is actually the stud finder i wear around my neck.
GravediggerHebner
7/16/2010-3:54pm at 3:54 pm (UTC -4)
Hi-Yo!
trs86
7/16/2010-3:42pm at 3:42 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, anyone who actually believes the media jokes that report the Mets are broke is indeed joking themselves.
Think about the fact that they had offers on Pinerio and Molina at the same time and they chose to go elsewhere. Yes they refused to OVERPAY them but based on multiple reports that would have still accounted to another 15ish M. To say now the Mets are broke is just bad reporting. Anytime the Mets don’t overpay for someone it’s “because they don’t have the money”. Instead why not reward them in the media for showing the restraint for not overpaying for mediocre.
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-4:38pm at 4:38 pm (UTC -4)
i never said they were broke but until i see them adding a player and taking on substantial salary (2 mil+) then I will continue to be skeptical.
its obvious the Mets are only a player or 2 from being playoff bound and Omar has the opportunity to bring those players in…for me if Omar stays put or only brings in a lightning in the bottle type player then there is a major problem somewhere in the organization…
trs86
7/16/2010-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
While that may be true, we have absolutely NO proof that the Mets are broke or can not bring more money on and neither do any of these story hunger reporters.
ceetar
7/16/2010-4:42pm at 4:42 pm (UTC -4)
that’s not as a good a story, and honestly, that’s part of what separates Steinbrenner from Wilpon. Shove the “we’re better than you” down your throat enough, and you start to believe it.
metsfan4decades
7/16/2010-3:39pm at 3:39 pm (UTC -4)
A little more than I would give up for Myers.
Lilly pitching a good game today against Philly so far. 3 hits, 1 run through five. Tied 1-1 with Lilly walking with the bases loaded to score the Cubs only run.
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-4:43pm at 4:43 pm (UTC -4)
finishes the day 7IP 4H 1BB 10K and 2 HR allowed…im sure at least 1 of them, if not both are outs in Citi…
trs86
7/16/2010-3:39pm at 3:39 pm (UTC -4)
Tejada, a decent low level pitcher not named Mejia and a filler.
njstuckintx
7/16/2010-3:48pm at 3:48 pm (UTC -4)
I think Tejada + 1 gets you Myers, actually. So Tejada +1 +1 would be about right in my mind.
trs86
7/16/2010-3:52pm at 3:52 pm (UTC -4)
I think depending on who that +1, +1 is I can be fine with either deal.
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-4:44pm at 4:44 pm (UTC -4)
they have Starlin Castro…not sure why they would want Tejada
trs86
7/16/2010-4:51pm at 4:51 pm (UTC -4)
I thought they needed MI based on what I read.
oleosmirf
7/16/2010-5:16pm at 5:16 pm (UTC -4)
they have Castro who is same age as Tejada but better. they have Teriot at 2nd, and Fontenot as the backup MI.
I dont see why they would want Tejada…