Today’s qustion is regarding the Mets pitching staff and the Trading Deadline. After last nights performance by Takahashi, I hope Omar reconsiders trading for a pitcher. So…..
What pitcher would you like to see the Mets trade for?
Jul 18
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83 comments
rustyjr
7/18/2010-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
I would hope that we will stay away from the lilly’s , westbrooks that are out there , I am intrigued by the meyers rumors, But I feel the Mets should try to pry either Andy Sonnestine away from the Rays or Edwin Jackson from the d’backs, i feel both would thrive in the pitcher park that is citi field – btw no way should Olliver Perez be called the ” answer” by the Mets front office !! If they do they will only alienate whatever goodwill with the mets fanbase.
trs86
7/18/2010-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
OK confused. Why should we be looking at Sonnestine, Jackson, or Myers but not Lilly?
rustyjr
7/18/2010-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
It’s my opinion ( right or wring) that he’s more of a bottom of the rotation starter – in terms of Jackson & sonnestine – they are still young & controlable ( I think) and myers – past indiscretions aside – does pitch with passion
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-11:56am at 11:56 am (UTC -4)
if the Mets are trying to make the playoffs young and controllable is not really an issue considering the Mets will have to spend money somewhere in the offseason.
Dickey has pitched enough games to show that he is legit…this ERA probably wont hold up going forward but he will still be good enough to be a #4 SP for any team.
with Santana, Pelf, Niese and Dickey coming back next season, there is one spot open. There is no need to sign anyone for the starting lineup as all holes will be filled internally so Omar’s annual big FA signing will be a SP.
renting Lilly is the best move as he will get us 2 type A FAs if we choose to let him go, or if does well a 1 year deal to resign is possible…
njstuckintx
7/18/2010-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
Either that or filling that spot with an Oswalt/Haren and then that becomes Omar’s big SP FA acquisition (just many moons earlier than the start of FA). I think those 3 (Lilly, Oswalt or Haren) or another decent controlled pitcher (read: Marcum, Myers or something similar) is how they should go, or don’t go at all and stand pat. Guthrie or Westbrook don’t add what is really needed and are still going to cost something. Probably nothing significant, will cost something regardless.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
i dont think Omar is going after Oswalt or Haren.
njstuckintx
7/18/2010-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
Oswalt.
If not Oswalt, then Marcum (even though I’m not sure he’s available).
rustyjr
7/18/2010-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
wouldn’t mind heren but he might be too expensive
njstuckintx
7/18/2010-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
I’d take Haren too, but I’ve only got one child at the moment and a first born is probably going to be what’s required for him. Not prepared to go that route.
stickguy
7/18/2010-9:25am at 9:25 am (UTC -4)
As always, depends on the cost. I would love Haren, but I don’t expect it. Marcum could be interesting, but again not likely.
Oswalt, if the price (talent) is not heinous, although he does scare me a little.
but, I would be happy with anyone that qualifies as a solid, mid rotation guy. IOW, a “real” SP! Myers, guthrie.
actually, guthrie is very intriguing.
What I really hope for is a SP that can be kept for 2011 also. They will have at least 1 gaping hole to fill (2, if Dickey does not come back, but I hope he does), and if they can get someone for the stretch run that can hang around for next year (and that is worth keeping), then more the better.
Lilly would be ok too. And I have been one of the few posters on the pro-Myers bandwagon.
Unfortunately, I think we may get 2 weeks of Ollie 1st. and depending on how he does, it may just be the trade deadline pickup we are all hoping for!
Hey,if they decide not to trade for pitching help, are there any legit hitting 2B available for rental?
stickguy
7/18/2010-9:35am at 9:35 am (UTC -4)
hard to believe, but mets announcing that Taka remains in rotation. Still could be a smokescreen I guess. maybe he fairs better vs. the Dodgers?
ceetar
7/18/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
well, they were willing to start the guy they’re trying to replace in the rotation instead of their two best pitchers. Not overly surprised they say he’ll stay in.
saltygary
7/18/2010-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
I think the real question is if the Mets continue yo slide will management make a positive move for the team?
This is getting to be a long strech at the worst possible time. We all know the rumors about the Wilpon finances and regardless they already have a high payroll. This team needs to show the front office it’s worth adding talent.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
Lilly
he is not going to dominate but he will give us comparable performances to what Niese and Dickey have given us.
Hazmet
7/18/2010-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Given the Mets track record I’ve resigned myself to accepting that the Mets will trade for no one. I know, that’s not the question but I had to throw it out there as a preface. This would mean the mental anguish of watching Ollie re-runs is about to begin. After Ollie fails it’s time for the Pat Misch show since he’s just been “dominating” AAA, oh boy I can hardly wait. Of course after that John Maine will be back for a repeat of 3 or so September starts. Excuse me while I wipe the sarcasm dripping from my post before the question.
OK, in preference Lilly, Haren, Oswalt. Haren over Oswalt based on age. Since Haren or Oswalt won’t be possible since the prospect package would be too steep combined with the dollar commitment I’d say they’re off the table. Clarifier alert, the prospect package to me wouldn’t be too high for Haren or Oswalt but in the Mets FO thought process the value they place on F-Mart, Mejia and alike would be too steep for either. You gotta give something to get something and those 2 would command high talent ceiling in return. Taking a swing at the thought process the Mets may be thinking “here’s the prospects you want but you have to take Ollie as part of the deal to offset the dollars coming back” maybe where they are. I couldn’t fault that approach as a first take but I don’t see anybody taking Ollie unless it was on the wrong side of Vernon Wells being in the mix. So with this I think we’re looking at Lilly or Westbrook. Not a big Myers fan and I don’t see that happening just because I believe Houston’s going to ask for way too much for anybody they deal.
trs86
7/18/2010-10:45am at 10:45 am (UTC -4)
I am just curious. Other than what Omar says to the media, which I hope he would hype them as much as possible, how do we know how much the Mets value their prospects? Just because they have not traded them yet?
Hazmet
7/18/2010-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
We don’t I know I don’t. But in light of the success some of our prospects have shown this year transitioning to the bigs I’m guessing they might be feeling higher on their prospects then they might otherwise. Also, the theme they liked to use from the hot stove for not pursuing some FA’s of “this player is not a significant upgrade over what’s already in our system”. In many cases they were right on that account so I think they might try to continue to play the hot hand with that approach by valuing what they have over what’s in the marketplace. I think the combination of the two: 1) the success of some prospects this year + 2) the stance they took in the offseason that what we had was a better option, may lead them to overvalue our prospects. I like the Lilly move because it shouldn’t require as much prospect wise. Underscore to any of these words is “imo” and “guessing”.
stickguy
7/18/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
3) the guys they already have on hand are “free”
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
i believe that Omar feels that his “lightning in a bottle pickup” will be able to produce only slightly less and the cost will be practically zero. I give credit to Omar as some of these guys like Dickey have been great but I feel he relies on it too much.
Omar to spends money on the big name FA but he fails to bring in the complimentary players that fill out the bottom of the order/rotation. Those guys in the 3-6 mil range are those that Omar completely avoids…
GravediggerHebner
7/18/2010-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
I’m sure that I am at least partially overreacting to the small sample of poor post-ASG performance and I am aware that a trip to Arizona, the Mets favorite elixir, is just around the corner, but right now I’m looking at a 3rd place, 5 games out of the division, 2 games out of the wildcard team which sounds small but of the 5 teams ahead of them the only one I think will fall off is the Dodgers.
Given that perspective I’m thinking either don’t trade at all or if trading acquire someone who is reasonably likely to help in future seasons at least as much as this season because IMO this season is rapidly falling from the Mets grasp.
GravediggerHebner
7/18/2010-1:03pm at 1:03 pm (UTC -4)
I realize I didn’t really answer the question. If trading for someone that isn’t one of the locked up big fish such as Oswalt or Haren (and I just have trouble believing the Mets will go that route since under Omar they haven’t yet made such an in-season splash) I would say don’t bother with anyone who is going to be a free agent after this season such as Lilly, Millwood or Westbrook but rather go for someone such as Carmona or Guthrie who could at least in theory help beyond 2010.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-1:11pm at 1:11 pm (UTC -4)
the Mets will be in the market for a SP this coming offseason as we have no prospects that are good enough or ready to make the team out of spring.
I would rather have Lilly and the type A compensation/resigning him then Carmona/Guthrie/Maholm.
a rotation of Santana, Pelfrey, Lilly, Niese, Dickey is for this season and next. by the time 2011-12 season rolls around Mejia should then be ready to replace Lilly and/or Dickey…
GravediggerHebner
7/18/2010-1:25pm at 1:25 pm (UTC -4)
So part of your plan is to re-sign Lilly then. In that context I can’t muster a strong argument against it except that it requires an assumption that he will A). be worth re-signing and/or B). not be interested in or recruited to sign elsewhere. I don’t know if it’s fair or not to assume he’ll get a raise next year but if so he’s making $13 mil now, he’d be getting close enough to Oswalt territory salary-wise that it would make more sense to just get Oswalt IMO.
I ultimately disagree with the idea in that I don’t see the Mets re-signing him and thus my position on not acquiring him in the first place because IMO he’s not enough of a difference maker for 2010 and getting draft picks for him in the June 2011 draft isn’t going to help the organization until the 2014-2017 time period which is far too late for this bunch.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
well it all depends on how Lilly pitches if he were to come here. I am expecting him to be exactly as good as Niese and Dickey have been and that is perfectly fine for this season and next. I dont believe we need an “ace”, we just need consistant quality starts.
as long as it they arent essential (Flores, Mejia, Thole, Havens) then I have no problem losing prospects even it is for a rental that winds up not getting it done. its a risk im willing to take
GravediggerHebner
7/18/2010-2:01pm at 2:01 pm (UTC -4)
Fair point.
stickguy
7/18/2010-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
then by your definition, none of the met prospects are “essential” And since 2 of the big black holes are C and 2B, I would consider top prospect at those 2 spots kinda important.
flores is a rare talent with the bat (supposedly), but who knows how far off. And of course, they are woefully short of SP prospects in the system.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
outside of Flores, Mejia, Thole and Havens, i dont consider any other prospect to be essential for the future of this team. not saying the guys I left off wont be good players but they dont fill a direct spot.
for example i did not include Kirk or F-mart b/c Pagan should be in the Mets OF for next 2-4 years and by the time Beltran departs, Flores should be ready or close enough.
stickguy
7/18/2010-3:55pm at 3:55 pm (UTC -4)
Ah, I had it backwards. I thought the guys you listed were the non-essential ones. It makes more sense that those are the ones that you want to hang onto.
I think you need to add 1 more of the OFs, since I consider Beltran day to day for the rest of his met career. And I dont want to see Frenchy here next year.
stickguy
7/18/2010-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
on this topic, a piece on Myers that i agree with. I don’t think they are as far out of the race though as Silva seems to.
http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=27782
I would love if whoever they brought in this year can fill a rotation spot for next year too.
If they get that, and resign Dickey, there will be next to nothing left to do in the off season for Omar! Try to unload slappy, figure out RF, get some pen arms, and that is about it.
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-1:48pm at 1:48 pm (UTC -4)
I hear what I perceive to be fans requesting the Mets should not do anything that will hurt their future.
My question then would be is are the Mets trying to win this year or build for next year?
I sometimes get this sense that the Mets moves are determined by how much they actually believe this team can win a W.S.
If they really thought a Dan Haren or Oswalt would give them a real shot at a ring would they be more willing to take on salary or give up prospects?
Maybe they don’t have faith that this team is a starter away so they are listening to all trade possibilities but in the end will do very little and will hope that they can win with what they have.
If you don’t believe this team is a starter or reliever away from going to a W.S. then why should they make a trade for one? I just hate this feeling ( I admit it may just be in my head) of limbo where we are not really trying to make moves to win now but at the same time not admitting we are building for tomorrow.
If the Mets don’t feel this team has a shot then I am all for letting Thole getting some serious playing time and for that matter Tejada also. Sept 1st call up Capt Kirk and let’s get into rebuild mode.
GravediggerHebner
7/18/2010-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
As a recovering Catholic I think your choice of the word “limbo” is very appropriate.
While I am rooting for the team to show itself to be enough of a legit contender that the FO will make moves to bolster it, my gut tells me that it will not show that and will not get that bolster.
Then the issue becomes will the organization recognize that and act accordingly. We all have our various levels of distrust/disdain for Jerry what I would add to that discussion is do I/we trust him to, if faced with the team going the course of non-contender/playing for the future, play the appropriate players such as Thole?
Will the organization make the appropriate roster adjustments and for example cut Cora thus keeping Tejada around, and then will Jerry give Tejada playing time or just let him rot on the bench behind Reyes & Castillo?
Off the top of my head Thole & Tejada are the only position players likely to benefit from a non-contending 2010 Mets. I just can’t see a Nieuwenhuis getting any playing time at this level. Even if the team cut/traded Francoeur he’d still be blocked for the most part by Bay/Beltran/Pagan who IMO are part of the 2011 Mets and thus not to be pushed aside.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-2:03pm at 2:03 pm (UTC -4)
Tejada is not ready to play in the MLB…i’d rather play Turner…
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
Out of curiosity why Turner?
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
b/c at 20 years old Tejada has shown that he is overmatched in the MLB…its not that i think Turner is any good, its just he gives us a better chance at winning.
i think Tejada should be sent down next time someone needs to come up…
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
thanks for expanding I don’t agree but I understand why you feel the way you do.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-2:39pm at 2:39 pm (UTC -4)
he’s batting .218, we cant afford to let him develop during a playoff race…now that Castillo is coming back no reason to keep Tejada here as Cora is a better option for the bench…
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-2:01pm at 2:01 pm (UTC -4)
b/c losing in the NLDS 3-1 to me is an accomplishment considering the last 3 seasons. going into next season with a playoff appearance and playoff win under our belts is more important than anything. it will finally get rid of the stigma and doubt surrounding this team. While Oswalt/Haren is an extreme longshot.
if I can get Lilly, for one of Kirk/Ratliff/F-mart and a semi-decent pitching prospect is the price or one of Evans/Duda/Campbell and a better pitching prospect like Holt/Familia/Niesen is what im willing to pay for 2 months of Lilly…
CaseStreet
7/18/2010-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
Jerry was asked pre-game whether he wanted a starter or reliever. He said if its a 1 or 2, then he wants the starter, but if its a innings eater, no thanks. His point was that you get an innings eater at the beginning of the season, not mid-year. You get a 1 or 2 mid-year, because you’re going for it.
Other than Oswalt, is there another front line starter available? Can Lilly be considered front-line? I doubt Haren gets traded. If he does, it’ll be for more prospects then the Mets would want to give up.
I wonder if Taka’s start yesterday changed Jerry’s mind.
IDK, but I’m thinking it’s Ollie or bust. BTW, what’s up with Maine?
CaseStreet
7/18/2010-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
Though, hopefully, Oswalt pulls a Johan on the Stros and forces his way to the Mets, who’ll have to be willing to open their piggy bank for a legit shot at making the playoffs.
And hopefully, it won’t be too late. Every game counts.
GravediggerHebner
7/18/2010-2:28pm at 2:28 pm (UTC -4)
Per Rubin tweets within the hour, Jerry says: when Ollie returns it’s to the bullpen; Castillo will be activated Monday; and Thole likely demoted after catching Dickey Tuesday.
GravediggerHebner
7/18/2010-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
Update: Castillo back tomorrow; Ollie as LOOGY when he returns.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-2:36pm at 2:36 pm (UTC -4)
Tejada should go down…
njstuckintx
7/18/2010-2:51pm at 2:51 pm (UTC -4)
Are there any stats to say he’s better as a LOOGY than not?
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
well he has to come up so better in the pen where he can be hidden…
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-2:33pm at 2:33 pm (UTC -4)
Thole going down is ridiculous…he should be starting 80% of the games right now…
stickguy
7/18/2010-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
why keep tejada with castillo and reyes back, especially if turner is still around?
sometimes I dont understand what the team is thinking.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-3:36pm at 3:36 pm (UTC -4)
well Tejada will be going down, but why would Thole go down????
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
depends what your definition of an innings eater is. are Niese and Dickey innings eaters or are they better b/c that is the production I expect to get from Lilly…
CaseStreet
7/18/2010-2:51pm at 2:51 pm (UTC -4)
got me. you’d have to ask Jerry. At this point, I’d be happy adding anyone.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-3:05pm at 3:05 pm (UTC -4)
if Lee comes here and pitches exactly like he did in Chicago, after you factor in the Mets better defense and park factors, i think that could get us the wildcard…
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
Lilly i mean
CaseStreet
7/18/2010-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
Freud would tell you that you really wanted Lee and know Lilly is no replacement
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-3:38pm at 3:38 pm (UTC -4)
very true but Lilly > then what we have now
stickguy
7/18/2010-4:00pm at 4:00 pm (UTC -4)
I am getting really confused as to what the plan is. The reports stemming from jerry’s latest ramblings don’t make a lot of sense.
Does Jerry actually pay attention to history? What makes him think Rod is going to rebound, when he traditionally starts good, and dies off? Plus he is 37.
Not much logic to continuing to play the guy that sucks, when there is an apparent better option on hand. Bay gets excluded I guess.
oleosmirf
7/18/2010-4:06pm at 4:06 pm (UTC -4)
what i would do is carry 3 catchers play Thole against all RHP (expect when Santana is on the mound) you let Blanco and Barajas split the AB against the lefties
Blanco, Barajas, Cora, Carter, Frenchy is a fine bench…
Kingman 26
7/18/2010-5:16pm at 5:16 pm (UTC -4)
Largely agree with Mr N.
But I don’t think it will be “rebuilding.”
It is knowing you are a few pieces short, and a year away from Niese/Ike/Tejada being ready to really shine.
Oswalt is clearly the only star pitcher apparently available, his salaries/years are VERY reasonable for a pitcher of his ability, and we would control him through 2012. Just right.
And I mean it quite seriously when I say that should we fail this year to make the playoffs, we will have Bobby V, Showalter, Teufel, Backman, or someone else as manager in 2011 as well.
And incidentally, starting pitching right now is NOT the team’s biggest hole anyway. The offense and the bullpen are lacking more than the rotation is.
Ted Lilly is going to make the difference in 2010? Ridiculous.
CaseStreet
7/18/2010-6:27pm at 6:27 pm (UTC -4)
Lilly likely would’ve made a difference yesterday instead of sending Taka out there again.
As far as the lineup, having Castillo and Reyes back in the lineup with the continued improvement by Beltran and Bay, should solve our hitting problems (unfortunately Thole and his ability to get on base aren’t appreciated in Jerry’s world).
Not sure most people agree with you on Oswalt. It’s the whole injury plus years plus prospects argument. Seems very unlikely that Oswalt will be the guy, at best we’re looking at Lilly.
Considering the Mets have been in a playoff race since 2006 (09 never happened) and we seem to be in it again, I doubt the front office doesn’t have faith in the group to say, “maybe next year”.
Problem is, the only difference maker that made sense (Lee) wasn’t a good fit because of the cost in prospects. Whatever starter, if any, comes to the Mets, it won’t be the Ace we needed. Now, we’re going to have to hope that Pelf, Niese and Dickey continue pitching well.
trs86
7/18/2010-8:13pm at 8:13 pm (UTC -4)
Lilly over Taka the rest of the year is a difference. It’s not Oswalt or Lee for sure but it’s 1.125 over 1.463.
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-8:04pm at 8:04 pm (UTC -4)
trs86
7/18/2010-8:09pm at 8:09 pm (UTC -4)
I disagree with your last 2 thoughts.
1 SP is still the biggest hole and Lilly would make a huge difference. Would it get us to the WS? I have no idea. Would he help us make the playoffs? I think so. Hard for a guy with a WHIP of 1.115 to not help.
trs86
7/18/2010-8:10pm at 8:10 pm (UTC -4)
Obviously I would love me some Oswalt if he is healthy. But it’s not an all or nothing thing. Taka to the pen and Lilly in the rotation is in my opinion a 2-3 win improvement at minimum.
Hazmet
7/18/2010-8:10pm at 8:10 pm (UTC -4)
Oswalt left after 4 innings with an ankle contusion after being struck by a ground ball.
Pettite going on DL with a Grade 1 Groin Injury. ouch. Burnett lacerating his pitching hand. Will these 2 events cause the Yankee’s to dive into the SP Pool we’re trying to pull an arm out of?
Any taker’s on these 2 topics?
trs86
7/18/2010-8:11pm at 8:11 pm (UTC -4)
at least it was an ankle injury. I am just not sure Oswalt is getting traded at all.
as for the Yanks, I could see them bringing in a Myers type for BP/Rotation help.
stickguy
7/18/2010-8:15pm at 8:15 pm (UTC -4)
I want myers.
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-8:13pm at 8:13 pm (UTC -4)
DL already for Petite? Don’t they wanna wait a day or 2 1st to see how bad it really is?
Better me than some Yankee fan that actually is saying it to be mean. This way it has no power to those that wanna be mean with it.
trs86
7/18/2010-8:14pm at 8:14 pm (UTC -4)
Or they could just shoot him up and send him back out. They know how he responds to the juice.
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-8:15pm at 8:15 pm (UTC -4)
Lol there u go.
Hazmet
7/18/2010-8:30pm at 8:30 pm (UTC -4)
lol, perfect
stickguy
7/18/2010-8:15pm at 8:15 pm (UTC -4)
Oswalt, if it was not serious and he makes his next start, no change.
Yanks? Yeah, I think they are going to get another SP. Especially if Petite could be serious. I think they expect to lose Hughes from the rotation (due to innings) by the end of the year. Burnett has been suckadelic. Vazquez inspires no confidence.
so if they expect Hughes to be in the pen for the playoffs, then basically they have C.C. in the rotation and some question marks.
that is why IMO they were willing to deal for Lee. They don’t trust there SP either.
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-8:19pm at 8:19 pm (UTC -4)
It will be interesting how the Oswalt and Yankee situation impacts the trades made before the deadline.
trs86
7/18/2010-8:19pm at 8:19 pm (UTC -4)
I see them getting Haren if they go for a real SP. Oswalt does not fit there to me. Don’t know why.
stickguy
7/18/2010-8:38pm at 8:38 pm (UTC -4)
yeah, I could see haren.
Hazmet
7/18/2010-8:34pm at 8:34 pm (UTC -4)
Great feedback TRS, Stick & MNJ. Thanks, should be an interesting couple of weeks till 7/31.
love the twitter posts below MNJ, great stuff from Hot Foot.
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-8:21pm at 8:21 pm (UTC -4)
TRS more numbers for you to play with courtesy of Baron.
Since joining the Mets Francisco Rodriguez has blown 19% of his save opportunities. Entire career with Angels: 14% of his chances were blown
10 minutes ago via TweetDeck
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Michael G. Baron
http://twitter.com/michaelgbaron/statuses/18873968335
trs86
7/18/2010-8:38pm at 8:38 pm (UTC -4)
My concern are the 2 recent ones because they are backed up by some just plain ugly numbers that we have never seen from Krod.
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-8:41pm at 8:41 pm (UTC -4)
Mr North Jersey
7/18/2010-8:26pm at 8:26 pm (UTC -4)
LoL some of the tweets after game r just too much.
The only person who deserves that win less than K-Rod is Jerry Manuel.
about 1 hour ago via Twitter for iPhone
hotfootblog
Hot Foot
http://twitter.com/hotfootblog/statuses/18871754905
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Boat shoes, funerals, and Mets closers. Three things I’ll never feel comfortable about.
about 1 hour ago via Twitter for iPhone
hotfootblog
Hot Foot
http://twitter.com/hotfootblog/statuses/18871649059
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Most infuriating Mets win in some time.
about 1 hour ago via Twitter for iPhone
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Hot Foot
http://twitter.com/hotfootblog/statuses/18871150573
stickguy
7/18/2010-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
I like the one about Jerry.
he is a train wreck.
stickguy
7/18/2010-9:18pm at 9:18 pm (UTC -4)
well, here is someone that does not seem too fond of Jerry.
I tend to agree that pulling the SP should be based on how they feel, and how they are performing, and not just some arbitrary PC #.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/421868-new-york-mets-jerry-manuel-is-the-stupidest-manager-in-baseball
trs86
7/18/2010-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
Well Jerry had said that Johan already knew it was his last inning and gave everything. At that point not sure he could have went back in.
stickguy
7/18/2010-9:32pm at 9:32 pm (UTC -4)
I wasn’t specifically commenting on today’s game. But some of the others certainly were questionable.
But in general, I agree with the concept.
And of course, the title of his post is a classic.
trs86
7/18/2010-9:35pm at 9:35 pm (UTC -4)
I will read it later. For the most part, while Jerry is bad, Bleacher Report is worse.
stickguy
7/18/2010-9:38pm at 9:38 pm (UTC -4)
as long as you aren’t concerned with factual accuracy, spelling, grammar or common sense, sometimes they are entertaining.
and that title just had to draw you in.