Buffalo-
Dillon Gee 8 innings 3 hits 1 run 1 walk 8 k’s
Michael O’Connor 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Bing-
Kirk Nieuwenhuis 1-5 homer (15) 3 k’s (still needs work on his k-rate with 81 k’s vs. 22 walks but the power is great to see)
Ratliff 2-5 2 doubles
Marc Cohoon 6 innings 6 hits 6 runs 1 walk 7 k’s
Savannah-
Pedro Zapata 1-5 double, run scored
Cesar Puello 2-4, double 2 rbi, SB (31)
Jefry Marte 3-5, run scored (415/442/707 over his last 10 games)
Wilfredo Tovar 1-3 run scored
Jim Fuller 3 innings 7 hits 6 runs 3 earned 1 walk 3 k’s
Brooklyn-
Rylan Sandoval 2-5 run scored, double
Cory Vaughn 2-4 double, run scored, walk, sb (2010 pick)
Darrell Ceciliani 1-2 2 rbi
Brian Harrison 2-4 2 runs, walk (2010 pick)
Joe Bonfe 1-5 2 runs
Mitchell Houck- 5.2 innings 5 hits 3 runs 1 walk 3 k’s
Ryan Fraser 0.2 innings 0 hits 0 runs 0 walks 2 k’s (23 k’s in 13.1 pro innings) (2010 pick)
Kingsport-
ZeErika McQueen 1-4 homer, 2 runs scored, rbi, walk, sb
Justin Schafer 2-5 run scored (2010 pick), sb
Lucas Stewart 2-3 walk (2010 pick)
Javier Rodriguez 1-5 rbi
GCL-
Robbie Shields 2-4 double (rehab)
Blake Forsythe 0-3 walk (2010 pick)
Mike Hessman 2-4 run scored (rehab)
Julio Concepcion 1-3 double 2 rbi
Edioglis Villasmil 5 innings 3 hits 3 runs 2 walks 0 k’s
Brant Rustich 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k (rehab)
Sean Green 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 0 walks 2 k’s (rehab)
76 comments
ceetar
7/19/2010-9:01am at 9:01 am (UTC -4)
Vaughn, power swinging RFer..starting to look Strawberryesque?
metro
7/19/2010-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
He’s 21 in the NYPENN. He has some real nice tools but hard to get overly excited until at least St. Lucie
ceetar
7/19/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
I don’t get excited until they’re knocking on the door at Citi Field personally. but it’s neat to see a guy with 8 HR in 29 games.
rustyjr
7/19/2010-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
I saw him the other week – hexwent ofer but he can swing the bat
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-9:21am at 9:21 am (UTC -4)
Gee, I’m impressed. (sentence joke intended)
ceetar
7/19/2010-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Green with envy?
Sean Green 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 0 walks 2 k’s (rehab)
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
Green with seasickness… bring on the Dramamine!
rustyjr
7/19/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
I feel like Ollie warmed over
Kingman 26
7/19/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Wow, that must feel pretty bad!
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Fear not! Ollie is now a specialized pitcher coming out of the BP. They are going to bring him in to do all Intentional Walks. He’ll really be able to strut his stuff should 1st & 2nd be open and Holliday and Pujols be coming up to bat.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Look at Ryan Fraser’s stats.. I know it’s a small sample in A-ball, but
10 Gms, 13.1 IP, 23ks, 6 BBs, 0.71 ERA, 0.947 WHIP
Cool stats…
ceetar
7/19/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
definitely, I’m not scout, but when a guy shows the talent and ability to make guys look foolish enough at a 18k/9 rate it probably suggests he’s got good pitches and plenty of talent.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Yeah.. we shall see what he does for the rest of the season, but I would like to see him get promoted to AA
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
sometimes I wonder what this team would have been if Brian Cole didnt die…he was supposed to be better than Reyes and Wright…
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
Ok.. I’m not sure how much truth there is on recent reports, but WHAT IF the Mets don’t get any SP help? Are you content with the current team and believe they can reach the post season?
Because it sounds like the Mets are out on Lily as well. What’s going on? Am I the only person that’s feeling like the Mets won’t add anyone? Is the team really broke? Or is it false rumor? Or is Omar just making ridiculous proposals that other GMs are ignoring him?
Whatever it is, I want some explanation or some results.
ceetar
7/19/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
you won’t get any until the deadline.
I don’t know. Omar certainly is talking to teams. he was in the offseason. He’s certainly working pretty hard to add a pitcher if they’re not planning to add a pitcher..
who knows.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
But do you see the trend here?
First it was Lee and then Lily and then Myers… talent keeps on going down and down. Is it because of what Omar is willing to give up? Or is it because of $$ issue? Or is it simply some smoke screen to get Oswalt?
ceetar
7/19/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
it’s because the beat writers got tired of writing about Lee and Oswalt so they talk about other names. *shrug* the Mets were never getting Lee. Seattle demanded too much for too little. We’re not that desperate for an Ace anyway.
Kingman 26
7/19/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
Agreed 100%.
And remember, Lee to the Yanks was a done deal long ago.
As was the Mets signing Molina.
As were a zillion other things reported by jokers like Olney/Heyman/Rosenthal.
stickguy
7/19/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
Well, sure thee is a drop off after Lee, but that was certainly a talent issue. Look what Tx. gave up for him. No doubt Omar was saying pass. And, Lilly actually makes more than Lee this year!
and once he is gone, pretty much all that is left is mid-rotatin guys (I am discounting Oswalt at this point, given the reported cost, and who knows if he is really available, and willing to come to the Mets).
Myers is having just as good of a year as Lilly, so I don’t see that as a drop off. He also has back of the pen experience, which is a plus.
I, like all the rest of us (including the press) really have no idea how much money the mets have and are wiling to spend. But it wil lstill be a major boost to the team to get a myers or lilly level guy.
It also seems that Omar likes to make a lot of negotiations into a game of chicken. Sometiems that works, but it is always stressful for the fans!
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
if the Mets dont acquire a SP it will just be another example of Omar’s inability to make the in season moves and the Wilpon’s reluctance to “go for it”
stickguy
7/19/2010-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
I stil think this statement is BS. Omar has made moves in season. 2006, he thought he needed a set up man and got one + a young SP (which they also needed at the time).
2007, his perceived missing link ws a 2B. He got the best one on the market at the time.
2008, I still have no idea why they did not beef u pthe pen, but in hindsight, the pen in July was looking fine. It fell apart later on, esepcaiily when Wagner went down.
in 2009, I think they realized that most of the calvary was not coming, so there was no point.
ceetar
7/19/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
I agree with this. It’s not always obvious what’s needed, and it’s not always a big piece. in 2007 he probably needed more bullpen help, but then again, the guys we had were doing fine, they had a good track record..etc. like it or not though, Castillo is a fairly big acquisition.
2008 he did get bullpen help, they just sucked as much as the guys they replaced. Ayala had a good week or two (and then was annointed despite failing). No one was available that would’ve made up the loss of Wagner anyway.
He’s grabbed bench guys here and thee as well. Jeff Conine did decently, wasn’t Shawn Green a late season acquisition?
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
i mean a big name player not role players. Omar has never given up real prospects during the season. just look at the moves.
we got Luis Castillo for Dustin Martin and Drew Butera, Shawn Green for Evan McLane and Jeff Conine for Jose Castro and Sean Henry.
stickguy
7/19/2010-11:22am at 11:22 am (UTC -4)
well, the vast majority of the in seaosn deals are exactly this type, aren’t they?
Lee was kind of a special case, but you just don’t see ton’s of studs superstars getting moved at the deadline.
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
well considering we gave up absolutely nothing for those 3, i cant fathom how Omar can pass on a glaring need in our rotation.
the only possible reason for not bringing in a SP is because Omar believes the options we have are no different than what is on the market and if he believes Ollie and Lilly are comparable he needs his head examined…
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
Your Met’s 2010 slogan “Hey, 2011 is going to be great!”
stickguy
7/19/2010-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
I think Kingman had that tatooed on his chest.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
I always pegged him as an ankle tattoo kinda guy.
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
more like a lower back tatoo kinda guy…
Kingman 26
7/19/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
I guess you must be used to those with the strippers and hookers you hang out with. Who are, I am sure, jokes who never make any mid-season improvements.
Not funny, but your continued ridiculous negativity (REALLY scraping the barrel with the Cole comment above) definitely continues your uninterrupted streak of dreariness.
And offense and the bullpen are far more pressing needs than starting pitching.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Kah-nog, the ankle tattoo was in jest and no offense was meant. Just so we are on the up and up. We all know your tattoos are either shoulder blade to shoulder blade, fully across the chest or on your finger tips (REYES on the left hand, WRIGHT on the right hand, assuming you are the six fingered man, a la the Princess Bride).
Kingman 26
7/19/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
I was talking to Oleo; I think the lower back thing was meant as a slam; slams are ALWAYS fine. I just like to slam back.
I think my argumentative streak sometimes gets misconstrued as being easily offended, and frankly the chest and shoulder blade tattoo thoughts I take as compliments!
I almost got tattooed in Seattle in the 90s when just about everyone got tattooed (I think this fact kept me from doing it) and it would have been upper left arm for me first, then chest.
And a big LOL on the Reyes/Wright/Count Rugen from Princess Bride thing!
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
the lower back thing was only said b/c he said ankle tattoo kinda guy which reminded me of the miller light commercial. no matter who he was reffering too whether it was TRS, Ceetar, stickguy, kistics, rusty, i would have said the same thing. it had nothing to do with you
dont take it personal, i didnt even look at who tx was even responding too…
Kingman 26
7/19/2010-12:16pm at 12:16 pm (UTC -4)
OK Oleo, I sincerely apologize.
Not the first time I have been a jackass (as you know so well).
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-11:40am at 11:40 am (UTC -4)
first off its a joke, lighten up.
second, what is wrong with wondering what this team would have looked like with possibly the best prospect we had since Strawberry. Just because he died tragically doesnt mean his name can never be mentioned again…
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
I think the offense is fine. But I agree that BP needs help.
Offense is always streaky even with the Yanks. But what holds the team is the pitching. Remember that 9 or 10 game winning streak? The SPs were great. BP held their end, but it was mostly SPs that went deep in the game.
Kingman 26
7/19/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
Nah, no tattoos for me; not a tattoo kind of guy.
But that is my slogan for 2011.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
Me too. Me too.
stickguy
7/19/2010-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
I don’t believe more than about 5% of all these various reports. And I usually guess the wrong 5% to believe!
ANd you don’t honestly think you will get (or actually deserve) an explanation, do you? Although I can tell you exactly what you will here “we had opportunities, but the price did not make sense”, or “the options were not better than what we already had”.
Now results, those are the only tangible things to look at.
IMO, many of the reports stem off of one piece from a while back that other “journalists” have taken as gospel, and they are also trying to work backwards (a dangerous thing to do). That is, look at a result, and try to back into what “must” be the reasons.
But, can we at least wait until the trade deadline passes before getting all over the mets for not doing anything?
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
Yeah you are right that we should wait. And I’m just anxious. But if there’s smoke, there’s a fire. Unless the Mets get someone and show me that this team is willing to (1) take on money or (2) deal some prospects, I’m going to be skeptical and believe these 95% faulty rumors.
You can say that the Mets has the money to spend on SPs all day. But where’s the proof?
I honestly think it’s a combination of (1) not have much money to spend on and (2) not willing to give up impact prospects.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
2011 will be the 1 year window to make this work before a big revision of who the Mets are will come to be. Minus Beltran, yes/no to Reyes resigning (assuming he doesn’t go to free agency), will santana still be 1A quality, Pelfrey will be at or close to free agency and how will the kids progress. The future does look bright, but will be interesting how this plays out.
ceetar
7/19/2010-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
It’s inconceivable taht they don’t have the money to make a smaller acquisition like Lilly. That money is completely recooped via late Sept meaningful games and the playoffs.
Also, they’d be hard-core finding 2B replacements (Turner, etc) up here earlier, more regularly, to replace Cora because they’d be fretting over his option.
They never would’ve gotten GMJ in the first place. Didn’t they waste almost 3 million on that guy, when they could’ve easily given us Jesus Feliciano who hit very well last year, as a backup CF?
the reports are bogus. They’ve got more holes than Jerry’s managing philosophy
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
more like 2.25 mil b/c you dont have to pay Stokes anymore but I do believe the Mets are in financial trouble.
is it enough trouble to prevent them from adding 2-5 mil in a move, most likely not but definitely enough to prevent us from getting Oswalt.
stickguy
7/19/2010-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
having a budget, and being up against it, does not neccesarliy mean they are in financial trouble. They may not have Yankee levels of spare millions laying around, but they certainly could be fiscally sound even if they can’t add on Oswalt money.
and there is always the question of being able to do something, vs. shold do it.
I could clean out the bank account today and get a BMW. Just not a good idea if I want to keep making the mortgage and tuition payments!
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
well the Mets payroll this season is 23 mil less than it was last season. If they say they dont wanna pay for Oswalt in money and/or prospects, i understand 100% and can accept that. That is a big contract to take on.
If they believe Lilly isnt worth the return that is being asked, i can accept too.
What i cannot accept is that if this is the case: 1) Lilly costs too much or 2) they believe there are comparable options in house
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-12:16pm at 12:16 pm (UTC -4)
Even Oswalt’s contract. Based on TRS’ theory, the Mets should have enough room to add on $12-$15M because they were willing to add Molina and Pineiro.
If the Mets give up one good prospect and 2 decent prospect for 2/3 of Oswalt’s salary, math should work.
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
im not buying the Omar line of “we have faith in the guys we have”.
if they don’t want to give up the prospects and/or feel the price is too high, I disagree but I can understand, however, there are plenty of guys they can get that are better than Ollie/Takahashi.
even Kevin Millwood or Rodrigo Lopez is an improvement…
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
I agree. There’s no excuse of not improving current rotation.
stickguy
7/19/2010-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
as to the current team:
No, I am not content with the current roster (I want a new SP). But at the same time, I think they can still reach the post season as is. I just like the chances better with a SP to replace taka, and taka in the pen.
and a new manager of course, but I have given up that battle for this year!
Kingman 26
7/19/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
If we miss the postseason my fine friend, you shall have your wish for a new manager.
If this occurs, we might have a perfect candidate for the butler job on the Float.
How about Jerry? You guys could debate his managerial moves as the Float gently rolls down the streets of the tri-state area.
Let me know….
stickguy
7/19/2010-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
Oh, for sure if they miss the PS Jerry is gone. Not even sure making the WC will keep him around, if he ends up proving how bad a manager he is.
It drives me nuts that some arbitrary end result (X wins, a certain round of the playoffs) should be used to determine if a manager stays or goes.
How about actualy reviewing and evaluating his performance, and determining if the team should reasonably have been better (or worse) but for him?
I think it would be great if the Mets win the WS, and they still ass can Jerry.
stickguy
7/19/2010-12:03pm at 12:03 pm (UTC -4)
speaking of Jerry, we might be on the cusp of about the only thing that can prevent him from deep sixing the season: A fully set lineup/roster.
If (please?) Omar gets another SP, the rotation will be set in stone for now.
and If (pretty pelase) the position guys finally stay healthy, the lineup will be pretty much an everyday thing. Especially now that it sounds like Frenchy might be fully the odd man out. And if they get down to 3 catchers, less for him to botch there.
So, that just leaves him the pen to dick around with, and hoepfully that will settle into reasonably defined roles, with Taka back, and parnell seemingly stepping up.
The less options or decisions for jerry to make, the better off we all are.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
Jerry’s options are always:
A. Yes
B. No
C. Bunt
D. Situational pitcher change
When in doubt, choose C.
oleosmirf
7/19/2010-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
i dont think there will ever be defined roles as Dessens, Parnell and Feliciano have very large splits and Nieve/Igarashi/Valdes/Acosta/you know who are not very good either
however, if the 3 of them continue to be very good against one side of the plate and if Takahashi goes to pen with the success he had earlier in the season, it should be good enough…
stickguy
7/19/2010-12:37pm at 12:37 pm (UTC -4)
maybe not defined as granualarly as 7th inning, 8th inning, etc. But at least long/mop up guys, oogys, and late game/set up guys.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
Nice scrabble word there. Granualarly. I would challange you on the spelling, especially if you were trying to hit the triple word score.
stickguy
7/19/2010-1:13pm at 1:13 pm (UTC -4)
Hey, I was only off by 1 extra A. Sue me.
clunky fingers, an old sticky keyboard, poor typing skills, and too lazy to proof read before submitting. A bad combination, but there is a reason I have my own Sticktionary now.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
Love it! Sticktionary. You better slap a TM or an R in a circle after that!
stickguy
7/19/2010-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
If I only knew how…
stickguy
7/19/2010-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
saw a piece elsewhere on the trade market for SPs, and about how Houston will be willing to take back a bad contract for better prospects. Ollie of course was mentioned.
A rough framework of Ollie + mejia + another 1-2 mid level prospects (say, ratliff/satin/valdespin/cahoon/damned if I know) for Roy.
I do that in a second. Ollie offsets a good chunk of the $, and if Oswalt can hold up through the end of his contract (end of 2012), then you likely get way more than whatever Mejia will give you in the period. And we can worry about 2013 later!
I also don’t agree with people that say we dont “need” another ace/top starter (just a mid level guy). IMO, if you need a SP, might as well get the best one you can!
Now, if what they mean is that a mid rotation guy is enough to get them to the promised land, and the (player) savings can be better utilized elsewhere, that is a different story.
Trade those guys for Oswalt, surprise us with a pen arm and that should be pelnty. Although a 2B that can actually hit would not disapoint me either!
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
I read something about Oswalt that made my head spin. He’s 2 wins away from being the alltime Astros win leader. It said that he would approve a trade after he got that. The validity of the article is suspect, but wouldn’t that be an oddball this. Handcuff an organization cause you want 2 wins first. That could push him right down to the trade deadline.
GravediggerHebner
7/19/2010-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for the middle-earth love!
If that Oswalt report is true then that’s stupid and selfish and karma has already reached out to bite him because what should have been an easy win over the Pirates yesterday turned into a blow out loss and an ankle injury which if at all complex will keep him stuck in non-contending Houston where he can accrue all kinds of personal milestones in post-seasonless obscurity.
stickguy
7/19/2010-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
couple points.
1) I figured that any Oswalt deal (if not the other rumored guys) was coming down to the last day anyway.
2) once you have earned more money than most people can even conceive of ever having, your perspective on some things changes. Stuff like your family being comfortable where they are, being near your favorite fishing hole, whatever.
3) Not every player is that driven to be part of a championship team. Especially after the acheive the money (see item #2). Some likely are, but others may be more interested in having a personal record (although being the all time Astros win leader seems dubious to me). Or just happy enough in their comfort zone, out of the limelight (relatively) that they don’t want the attention on them.
4) Teams gi e out the contracts. And the rules are the rules. Can’t fault a player for just playing by them (see: Ollie).
5) Karma is a b*tch. Don’t mess with her.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
May your ways be green and golden… (mixing in some Forgotten Realms there for you as well)
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
that would push things over the deadline.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
deadline is 12 days, no? That should give him 2 more starts. Again, not saying it’s true, but it’s being written about.
stickguy
7/19/2010-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
If he wants the record that bad, he can go back in 2013 on a minimum wage deal, after helping the mets win 2 WS titles.
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-1:21pm at 1:21 pm (UTC -4)
Amen.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
we talkin’ about Astros here.. Astros…
unless he goes 2 complete games.. you think he’ll get his 2 wins?
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
I dunno. Ask Santana about that…
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-1:32pm at 1:32 pm (UTC -4)
Here is the link. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/7113175.html
njstuckintx
7/19/2010-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
There are other places I’ve read this too. Again it’s speculation on if that really matters to him or not.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-1:18pm at 1:18 pm (UTC -4)
I would do that trade in a heart beat. But why would Astros do that deal?
stickguy
7/19/2010-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
they save some money, and get a couple of good to very good prospects.
They are going to suck whether ollie or oswalt is in the rotation anyway.
And Ollie is simply a way for them to eat enough of th eoswalt contract to actually get some higher end prospects back.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/19/2010-1:29pm at 1:29 pm (UTC -4)
But the difference in their salary is only $4M. They would do this trade to get $4M relief and get a pitching prospect? hmmm… sounds good to me…