With the trade deadline fast approaching time is running out for the Mets to add help without succumbing to having players clear waivers. The Mets are now 6-12 in their last 18 games and 1-4 since the break 5.5 games behind 1st and 2.5 games behind the Wild Card leader.
The question then is if the Mets go say 6-5 the next 11 games will that sway the front office into how hard they go after a pitcher for the stretch run? What if they go 8-3 in the next 11 games? Will that push them closer to taking the plunge at trying to win this year by trading for a higher caliber pitcher?
Is there some point where they should cut their losses at trying to win this year? Let us know what you think.
| Gm# | Date | Tm | Opp | Result | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 94 | Tuesday, Jul 20 | NYM | @ | ARI | ? |
| 95 | Wednesday, Jul 21 | NYM | @ | ARI | ? |
| 96 | Thursday, Jul 22 | NYM | @ | LAD | ? |
| 97 | Friday, Jul 23 | NYM | @ | LAD | ? |
| 98 | Saturday, Jul 24 | NYM | @ | LAD | ? |
| 99 | Sunday, Jul 25 | NYM | @ | LAD | ? |
| 100 | Tuesday, Jul 27 | NYM | STL | ? | |
| 101 | Wednesday, Jul 28 | NYM | STL | ? | |
| 102 | Thursday, Jul 29 | NYM | STL | ? | |
| 103 | Friday, Jul 30 | NYM | ARI | ? | |
| 104 | Saturday, Jul 31 | NYM | ARI | ? |
19 comments
ceetar
7/20/2010-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
I’m being told I’ll be at the Wednesday game at home, so that’s a win at least.
It would have to be complete catastrophe, and that’s just unlikely. I don’t think anything, expect that, would change much. They’ll acquire the best pitcher they like the price for.
gategem
7/20/2010-5:23pm at 5:23 pm (UTC -4)
If they lose that game we know who to blame. LOL
ceetar
7/20/2010-5:24pm at 5:24 pm (UTC -4)
Bloggers in general i suppose.
stickguy
7/20/2010-3:39pm at 3:39 pm (UTC -4)
who knows with the mets.
I will arbitrarily say that if they mets are sitting at .500, they do nothing.
GravediggerHebner
7/20/2010-3:50pm at 3:50 pm (UTC -4)
If I were in charge of deciding whether the Mets would “go for it” via trade or not one of the deciding factors for me post-ASG would be whether I see any improvement in the Mets road woes and thus far I have not seen any.
The balance of this road trip would go a long way in helping me finalize my decision on whether to fortify the club for a 2010 run or not. So far the trip is telling me not to bother but there are 6 games left to change my mind. Sucking on this road trip then winning a majority of those last 5 July home games would not be enough to convince me to go for it. I need to see some road resolve quick because this team is not likely to have home field advantage in any potential NLDS or NLCS. That home WS advantage is great but worthless if you can’t get there.
oleosmirf
7/20/2010-4:00pm at 4:00 pm (UTC -4)
even if things look grim, why would a big market team like the Mets not absorb all of Westbrook’s contract and send an unimportant prospect like Cesar Puello or Eric Niesen???
i don’t see any downside whatsoever in making this move…
GravediggerHebner
7/20/2010-4:16pm at 4:16 pm (UTC -4)
And I don’t see enough Westbrook-specific upside to be worthwhile. You apparently do and that I think is the crux of our difference of opinion on his potential acquisition.
stickguy
7/20/2010-4:18pm at 4:18 pm (UTC -4)
6.95 mill is a ton of money for westbrook at this opint of the year.
and wins do have a $ value associated with them (by some of the stat head guys).
but, if you are fighting for a playoff spot, those couple wins that make the difference you should be willing to spend more on !
oleosmirf
7/20/2010-4:24pm at 4:24 pm (UTC -4)
where else is that money going to be spent this season…its an expiring contract…
Westbrook is unarguable an upgrade over Ollie/Takahashi
GravediggerHebner
7/20/2010-4:39pm at 4:39 pm (UTC -4)
Per Fangraphs Westbrook’s 2010 WAR & $ value are 1.0 and $4 million, Takahashi’s are 0.6 and $2.5 million.
Being that we have passed the halfway point of the season unless Westbrook improves noticeably to pay Westbrook $6.95 million is certainly to overpay for a difference of 0.4 WAR. Some of you guys are more comfortable with overpaying for marginal increase than I am in this case.
I cannot and have not argued that Westbrook is not an improvement over Takahashi & Co. What I have been and am continuing to argue is I don’t see him as enough of an improvement to be worth it. I am fine with the Mets increasing salary if they see fit I just think the money can be better spent than on Westbrook and hope the team will choose a different route than a Westbrook acquisition.
stickguy
7/20/2010-4:43pm at 4:43 pm (UTC -4)
Wonder what the WAR difference would be for Oswalt?
Probably still not enough this year to (by himself) make up the difference.
still gonna come down to the guys they have making the run. ANd if they finally put it all together (and overcome the jerry facotr!) they could have enough already.
anyway, instead of Westbrook, get myers. Better pitcher, much less money, papa johns
GravediggerHebner
7/20/2010-4:58pm at 4:58 pm (UTC -4)
First I need to acknowledge that I may not be using WAR properly here, I’m not sure. I have signed up for “Saber 101″ lessons but they haven’t started yet. Until then I am just guessing.
Having said that Oswalt is 2.9/$11.4 million and Myers is 2.2/$8.8 million.
For fun Lee is 4.1/$16.6 million.
Fausto Carmona 1.7/$6.7 million.
Johan 2.6/$10.3
Pelf 1.7/$6.8
Dickey 1.6/$6.5
Niese 1.4/$5.8
oleosmirf
7/20/2010-5:03pm at 5:03 pm (UTC -4)
again what they make is irrelevent in expiring contracts…as long as they pitch well and dont inhibit us next offseason i dont care if they make 1 mil or 12 mil
gategem
7/20/2010-5:45pm at 5:45 pm (UTC -4)
When you become an expert you can teach it to the rest of us.
Kingman 26
7/20/2010-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
Better pitcher, much less money, papa johns.
HAHA!!!
oleosmirf
7/20/2010-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
See I dont care how much he is worth in comparison to his contract, i care about what he is worth in comparison to the person he is replacing.
First off i think WAR is a load of crap. According to WAR we would be a 45-48 team if Wright tore his ACL in ST and we had Tatis playing everyday. I dont buy that for a second.
If we had Westbrook pitch instead of Ollie earlier in the year would he only have improved us to 2-6 instead of 1-7, I doubt it very much…
GravediggerHebner
7/20/2010-5:07pm at 5:07 pm (UTC -4)
At this stage I’m just going to agree to disagree. I look forward to a future disagreement on another topic.
Kingman 26
7/20/2010-5:02pm at 5:02 pm (UTC -4)
I honestly would not trade any of our top prospects unless we are getting Roy.
Roy would be here the next 1-2 years, and to me, the idea that any of the other available starters would make the difference in 2010 is just not really reasonable.
If we do start hitting and Pelf gets it together and KRod has a few saves left in him, Roy might put us over the top for the WC this year; probably not, but regardless, he would make us SO much better in 2011 and maybe 2012.
stickguy
7/20/2010-5:10pm at 5:10 pm (UTC -4)
well, say they get Roy (and you have converted me to this). If they can finally make it trhough an off season with a healthy team into ST, they could be really, really good next year.
not having to deal with all the months long injury drama (and please gosh, a real manager!) and maybe they can just start strong and stay that way.