Okay I think that it might just be the right time to start panicking. With last night’s 3-2 loss to the lowly Arizona Diamondbacks, the Mets have fallen to 6 1/2 games behind the division leading Atlanta Braves. I don’t know what it is, but the Mets look so lost at the plate. The Mets could have and should have had this game one in the first inning, when they had bases loaded and one out. Ike Davis looked impatient ( well I couldn’t see it since SNY was late with paying their fee to broadcast out of town games) , swinging at the first pitch, and Jason Bay struck out swinging to end their best run scoring threat of the game. That is not to say the Mets were ever out of the game. The soon to be demoted for the Sultan Of Suckitude, Josh Thole hit his first career homer, and Angel Pagan also went deep for his seventh dinger of the season. But unfortunately that was not enough and it spoiled yet another good outing by R.A Dickey.All I can say is that Jerry Manuel better light a fire under this teams ass or Fred Wilpon won’t get his wish of meaningful games in September ( you think he regrets making that statement?).
On a more depressing note. Oliver Perez is back with the mother team. When interviewed by the media, he was asked about his 36 million dollar contract , to which he answered ” Right now I am not thinking about the money. I’m thinking about helping the team.” Ollie , Ollie , OLLIE !!! If you were thinking about helping the team , you would just … GO AWAY !!!
                                                                              
                                               ” The beer is more potent than the Mets bats right now !”
And with that said… HERE COMES THE INFAMY !!!
Celebrating birthdays today are:
One time reserve player who later on became one of the most disliked Mets third base coaches in recent history ( by me at least),Mike Cubbage is 60 (1950) I still say that the ” Curse of Mike Cubbage lives on !!!”
Shortstop from ’00, Mike Bordick is 45(1965). Mike was a serviceable shortstop in his time with the Baltimore Orioles, but Steve Phillips made a big mistake acquiring him after Rey Ordonez went down in late ’00. Bordick hit little fielded decently, but totally bombed out in the playoffs. By the way we traded away Melvin Mora – who turned out to be one of the better infielder in the last 10 years !!
Back up first baseman from ’04,Brian Buchanan is 37 (1973).
Pitcher from ’01, Brett Hinchliffe is 36 (1974) . He started one game for the Mets that season , going 0-1 with a e.r.a of 36.00 !
New York Mets traded catcher, Jesse Gonder to the Milwaukee Braves for outfielder, Gary Kolb on July 21, 1965.
New York Mets traded third baseman,Wayne Garrett and outfielder,Del Unser to the Montreal Expos for the Immortal Pepe Mangual and outfielder, Jim Dwyer on July 21, 1976.
New York Mets traded pitchers Jason Jacome and Allen McDill to the Kansas City Royals for pitchers, Derek Wallace, John Carter and Geno Morones on July 21, 1995.
Mo Vaughn took a side trip to Cave Creek Arizona , where he came upon Crazy Ed’s Satisfied Frogs resturaunt. He ordered a few dozen of their chilli beers and needless to say he hasn’t been out of the bathroom yet !!
158 comments
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-7:22am at 7:22 am (UTC -4)
Rusty, who ya got as the Sultan Of Suckitude? Thole stays and Turner was send down when Ollie was activated.
It’s not looking good. On paper, the talent is there. They just cannot seem to get it done on the road this year. I think it’s officially in their heads. I’m afraid this might be as good as it gets this year, but I hope I’m wrong.
rustyjr
7/21/2010-7:46am at 7:46 am (UTC -4)
Sorry Oliver us the sultan – u have nothing but love for thole
fongy2
7/21/2010-8:05am at 8:05 am (UTC -4)
Jason Bay is KILLING this team!
AND Beltran should do whats right
for the team and himself and move over to RF!
As much as Cora is and has been goofed on by us Met fans gotta love
him standing up and being counted…
Just too bad there aren’t more like him in that clubhouse,including the
Mgr.
Sure everyone would love to see Jerry gone BUT really at this point,
who do you replace him with?
As crazy as it sounds now, R.A. Dickey deserved better support lastnight…AND it’s not the first
time.
Lastly, as pissed as we are now, The
Phils getting Roy Oswalt cheap will
only make it worse.
Like I said yesterday, at this point
Omar & FO has got to put out of their
heads moving any REAL prospects for
a 3rd rate Pitcher like Jake Westbrook or 3rd rate RP like Scott
Downs.
Guys like Parnell,Thole,Ike,Tejada,Flores etc.
are the future and should left alone
to con’t to develop!
Oh….And…Welcome back Ollie!!…
I’m sure this will be interesting.
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-8:09am at 8:09 am (UTC -4)
Hey, it’s not crazy that RA deserved some run support last night. RA has been the one consistent pitcher in just about every start. Give him the ball, he keeps them in the game. Heck, he does better than keep them in the game.
This offense was hitting .227 as a team for the month of July coming into last night’s game. Yeah, that isn’t close to getting it done, boys….
trs86
7/21/2010-8:09am at 8:09 am (UTC -4)
I disagree on the Phillies getting Oswalt on the cheap. They are either going to have to pay a lot of cash or top prospects. Fine…
As for Bay “killing” the team? He is not performing up to his contract but far from killing the team. I guess when we lose we need a whipping boy to make us feel better. Bay is playing good defense and has an OPS+ of 105. Not great but certainly not “killing” the team. Reyes’s OPS+ of 98 and being out a lot is killing the team much more.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:14am at 8:14 am (UTC -4)
Also, while I agree that Beltran needs to work out in RF and eventually switch you can’t just slide over. That could be a disaster.
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:18am at 8:18 am (UTC -4)
and they have to sacrifice Werth for him the reports say. Further hurting an offense that’s struggling.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:24am at 8:24 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I don’t see the point of it. There would have to be a lot of prospects coming from TB to Houston and or the Phillies would have to take on Oswalt’s entire contract. We shall see if this gets done.
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-8:32am at 8:32 am (UTC -4)
Didn’t Oswalt have a minor injury in his first start in this second half too?
trs86
7/21/2010-8:38am at 8:38 am (UTC -4)
Just got a ball off the ankle I think.
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-8:07am at 8:07 am (UTC -4)
Has anyone read Rubin’s column: http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5397460&utm
Mets activate Ollie, deactivate season
Left-hander Oliver Perez was activated from the disabled list by the New York Mets after a 3-2 loss to the Arizona Diamondbacks on Tuesday night.
And that’s all you need to know about why the Mets are not serious contenders for a postseason spot, and why the organization would be wasting minor league resources pursuing a notable trade-deadline acquisition by the July 31 non-waiver deadline.
*****************************************
Sigh……
trs86
7/21/2010-8:11am at 8:11 am (UTC -4)
More BS crap from the media today.
Like having Ollie as the last member of the pen is really damaging at all.
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:20am at 8:20 am (UTC -4)
particularly at the expense of a backup-backup infielder.
What bothers me is that if they were going to use him in the bullpen coming back, throw him out of the bullpen in rehab! No more of this 1IP a week let him decay in the pen and then spot start him when you decide you need to use Takahashi in LR one day.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:23am at 8:23 am (UTC -4)
because he is a liability every time he steps on the mound and his manager knows it.
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:29am at 8:29 am (UTC -4)
he knows it in a “takes a joke to recognize a joke” style?
Perez has been injured pretty much his entire contract. If he “looks healthy” (Jerry’s comment) and has overcome it, then good, he can help. If not, then he won’t last up here long.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:32am at 8:32 am (UTC -4)
Exactly, I can’t believe how many just want Ollie to be released. That’s just not going to happen. Not because they are cheap but because like it or not they believe that he has something left. I am sure however, this is his last stand.
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:34am at 8:34 am (UTC -4)
I doubt it’s his last stand. I believe if he’s ineffective he’ll disappear, but i’m sure he’ll get a chance to reboot in the spring.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:37am at 8:37 am (UTC -4)
Not sure. I would not be surprised to see him dumped in the off-season somehow.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:22am at 8:22 am (UTC -4)
is Ollie one of the 13 most effective pitchers the Mets can throw out there? Absolutely not. I mean this organization is just a complete joke from Omar down to Manuel. There is absolutely no reason why Oliver Perez is still property of the Mets but when your owners don’t have a burning desire to win, there isn’t much we can do.
Did anyone catch Manuel on the FAN yesterday? Francessa asked him if Ollie will actually pitch or be an ornament and he pretty much hinted at the latter.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:26am at 8:26 am (UTC -4)
How do you know if Ollie is one of the 13 most effective pitchers? If he has recovered then he very well is. If not then they find out and cut bait. Not hard to figure out. Again, I know people are pissed that we are playing poorly but suddenly we play poorly for a couple of weeks and the organization is a complete joke.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:30am at 8:30 am (UTC -4)
he isn’t getting cut. you know it, I know it…
this organization is a complete joke b/c no other team in baseball would still have this guy on the team in a playoff race especially when your manager and pitching coach both don’t want him here.
and dont tell me “how do I know” its common knowledge by just hearing them speak…
trs86
7/21/2010-8:36am at 8:36 am (UTC -4)
lol, ok I won’t tell you. You have incredible ability to read what the media wants you to read.
Super Media Guy…..
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:38am at 8:38 am (UTC -4)
Jerry Manuel’s voice was manipulated on the radio yesterday?
trs86
7/21/2010-8:38am at 8:38 am (UTC -4)
Super Voice Reader Guy….
trs86
7/21/2010-8:40am at 8:40 am (UTC -4)
Again, I don’t think you understand the role of media anymore.
Also, you a big Jerry fan?
If so you would know that half the time the stuff he says in the media is just useless stuff trying to play with them.
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-8:40am at 8:40 am (UTC -4)
We’re not the only team carrying dead wood. Take a good look at the Cubs, for example.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:41am at 8:41 am (UTC -4)
True, but I guess they seriously are not contenders anymore. Tigers usually carry a lot of dead weight and contend. Obviously the Yanks have a history of it.
njstuckintx
7/21/2010-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
We have a deadwood manager, just like them, so you are correct, ma’am.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:25am at 8:25 am (UTC -4)
A scout who watched Perez’s final minor league start with Triple-A Buffalo offered this: “Vintage Ollie. 85-88 mph with two BBs in liberal strike zone. Also gave up two monster bombs.”
Pitching coach Dan Warthen and Manuel both acknowledged Tuesday there was no discernible difference between pre-DL Perez and the one who returned.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:27am at 8:27 am (UTC -4)
Where is the comment from Warthen and Manuel?
As for a scout? Who gives a damn what a random scout says?
Do you guys not understand the role of media anymore?
trs86
7/21/2010-8:30am at 8:30 am (UTC -4)
“Pitching coach Dan Warthen and Manuel both acknowledged Tuesday there was no discernible difference between pre-DL Perez and the one who returned.”
Really? Then quote them. Not just assume this based on what role they are placing him in. Maybe they are placing him in the back of the pen because they right or wrong believe that it’s a confidence issue that can be solved or that they believe he can help the pen. Hell if I know but this media crap is exactly what I expected today and Mets fans do it to themselves every time.
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:42am at 8:42 am (UTC -4)
I wonder if Jerry’s soured on Feliciano. I’d say it’s a rest and recharge thing, and Ollie can help lessen the workload, but given recent usage, i doubt it.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:45am at 8:45 am (UTC -4)
actually Jerry said that he is going to use Pedro more often b/c the more he pitches, the better he is…
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:27am at 8:27 am (UTC -4)
sarcasm. i don’t even believe it. I’d fire that scout for that type of comment.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:30am at 8:30 am (UTC -4)
Does not even say it’s a Mets scout.
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:36am at 8:36 am (UTC -4)
It’s just someone Adam Rubin (or Popper? one of the beat writers) talked to. Scout may be a term to mean “fan at the Bisons game”.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:37am at 8:37 am (UTC -4)
Hell it was prob. Rubin himself. He thinks he should be a scout.
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:37am at 8:37 am (UTC -4)
No way that’s a scout, on second thought. You’d have to be completely lamebrained not to see that Ollie throws two different types of fastballs (At least, he was) a 84-85 cutter, and a fastball. so that range is not a reflection of inconsistency and is only made that way to get people like you to respond in this way.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:39am at 8:39 am (UTC -4)
Bingo.
wannybackstra
7/21/2010-8:46am at 8:46 am (UTC -4)
You two are unbelievable. The proof is in the pudding with Ollie and in 23 minor league innings he’s walked 11 and given up 4 HRs.
But it’s only the media’s invention and a scout with fewer qualifications than you two exquisitely trained cheerleaders?
trs86
7/21/2010-8:48am at 8:48 am (UTC -4)
Again, we knew he was coming back. All I am saying is that lets not trust the media who loves to create a story. Let him come back and do well or suck and then we can make up our mind instead of doing this crap.
Also, again with the cheerleader comment because you come here and read two opinions that are not doom and gloom like your own?
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:12am at 9:12 am (UTC -4)
but he shouldnt be back and everyone other than the NY Mets organization knows they are a better team with him as far removed from the team as possible.
I dont care if Dave Duncan turns him into Adam Wainright…I could care less if he wins the next 72 CY Young awards…it aint happening here…
trs86
7/21/2010-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
Who says it would or that they are afraid he would? A reporter?
I am sure we are smart and the Mets are really just that dumb and actually think there is no way Ollie can help…
sigh….
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:46am at 8:46 am (UTC -4)
and neither of those fastballs are over 90?
so we have a guy with no command of his pitches maxing out at 89…that is a great measure of success…
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
success is not based on speed. who knows the quality of this report, that gun, etc. If he throws a fastball at 90, a cutter at 85, a changeup at 80, and a curve/slider at 75, he’ll be effective if he sticks to a logical set-up of pitches. he’ll be dominant even. I don’t expect that, but his success is not Dependant on him finding 2mph more and throwing it down the middle of the plate.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
success is based on winning games and not giving up lots and lots of runs.
Even if Ollie made the league minimum, he would still be a negative contributor on this team in whatever role they put him in.
fongy2
7/21/2010-8:31am at 8:31 am (UTC -4)
TRS, “Disaster”??…It ain’t like moving Todd Hundley to the OF!..
I will never believe until I see it
that a CFer of Beltran’s class will
have any great difficulty in moving to one of the corners out there.
And as for Bay, I’m not and I don’t believe any Met fan is looking for
“a whipping boy” BUT this really is
getting ridiculous! 6-44-.260 almost
two-thirds of the way in???
Guys like Johnny Gomes,Garrett Jones,
Josh Willingham,Marlon Byrd,Jose Guillen,Austin Kearns and our own
Frenchy having similar or better numbers AND a guy like Jerry Hairston
having numbers not far off?…C’mon!!
This guy is KILLING this team with his lack of production, especially considering what hes being paid AND
who hes being paid to be!
I mean think about the fact that
in loses to the Yankees&Marlins he
has 4hrs&6rbis!!….Minus THAT, in
92 games hes at 2hrs and 38rbis!!!
Those are friggin’ Chico Walker numbers!!!…Never mind a hot month,
a well place hot week or two by this
guy could easily have put us in First
Place by now!
trs86
7/21/2010-8:35am at 8:35 am (UTC -4)
As usual I disagree. We miss his production but he is not killing the team. You can’t kill the team with an OPS+ over 100. If that is the case then Reyes is burying the team.
My point on Beltran was not that he could not do it. It’s that you can’t just say ok tonight you are in RF.
wannybackstra
7/21/2010-8:43am at 8:43 am (UTC -4)
Perhaps both Reyes and Bay are hurting the team?
And yes, you can be killing the team when you’re batting cleanup and fifth and hitting to the league average, while hitting only 250 w/RISP.
C’mon. Send the pom poms to the cleaners for a week.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:46am at 8:46 am (UTC -4)
You know what I get damn tired off? Being called something because I have a different opinion than someone else. I have said all along that his normal production is missed. I just have a different opinion on what is killing the team.
Take your crap and go back to Metsblog if you are going to do that crap.
wannybackstra
7/21/2010-8:48am at 8:48 am (UTC -4)
Waaaaahhhh!!!!!!
trs86
7/21/2010-8:49am at 8:49 am (UTC -4)
Seriously, where do you get off coming on here and starting crap? Just because someone does not have your opinion?
wannybackstra
7/21/2010-8:53am at 8:53 am (UTC -4)
Ban me from the site if you don’t like me responding to one of your hundreds of posts each day.
My opinion is that you are overlooking pretty obvious facts in an effort to cheerlead. Feel free to disagree.
I can’t help myself when people write such silly things, accusing Ollie’s suckitude as being a media invention.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
Again this is not Metsblog so why would I ban you?
I understand your opinion on Ollie and it’s very possible. However, just because you have a different opinion does not mean that it suddenly makes someone else wrong or certainly does not show the need to call someone a cheerleader.
If you read my “100′s” of comments a day you would realize that I also have been critical. Yes I am even more critical of the media who I believe tries to stir up crap just like this.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:55am at 8:55 am (UTC -4)
he is killing the team with his bat b/c compared to other 4th/5th/6th hitters we are competing against for the playoffs.
the guy never comes through with men on base and forget about bringing in runs in a big spot…
trs86
7/21/2010-9:01am at 9:01 am (UTC -4)
Ibanez: .249 .331 .395 .726
Braves Diaz: .257 .288 .460 .748
ceetar
7/21/2010-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
not positive on Diaz, but Bay plays better defense than Ibanez.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:09am at 9:09 am (UTC -4)
Ibanez is also one of the main reasons the Phillies aren’t doing well.
the Diaz/Hinske platoon in LF has produced much more than Bay…
trs86
7/21/2010-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
Not your point.
Your point was that he’s hurting the team compared to what other teams have in that spot.
Braves total for season in LF: .253 .298 .397 .695
Batting 5th: .256 .344 .430 .775
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:18am at 9:18 am (UTC -4)
Bay’s hurting the team has been his inability to do anything with men on base…not his overall stat line.
sure leading off an inning he gets lots of walks and singles. with men on base or in a big spot he sucks…
trs86
7/21/2010-9:19am at 9:19 am (UTC -4)
Changing your point now?
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
has always been my point although if you want to count just hinske/diaz platoon you will see a major difference
trs86
7/21/2010-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
Braves total for LF
LF: .253 .298 .397 .695
youngvalerawest
7/21/2010-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
In how many games has Matt Diaz been the cleanup hitter?
trs86
7/21/2010-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
Not many. I am basing it on the 4-6 and where Oleo brought up LF. Also the Braves have gotten more production out of the 6th spot than 3-5.
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
Chico Walker numbers!!
wannybackstra
7/21/2010-8:40am at 8:40 am (UTC -4)
Bay is 6th out of 11 NL leftfielders (qualifying) in OPS and 21st among outfielders. Not exactly cleanup or 5th hitting numbers. Yes, he’s killing us despite what the resident cheerleader would like to project.
Our resident cheerleader is also championing the cause of Ollie Perez who has walked 11 and given up 4 HRs in just 23 minor league innings… including at the A level!!!
trs86
7/21/2010-8:43am at 8:43 am (UTC -4)
Not championing everything. Welcome back Wanny.
I have said that Bay is not producing to his contract. He however, is not “killing the team” anymore than Reyes is.
As for Perez, I wish he would not even come back this season. However, if he is then fine we shall see what he has.
If I am the resident cheerleader are you the resident …. decided to take the high road instead…
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:49am at 8:49 am (UTC -4)
so you really believe that Ollie’s knee is the problem and that he is 100% healthy and ready to pitch like he did in 2007- middle of July of 2008?
trs86
7/21/2010-8:49am at 8:49 am (UTC -4)
Nope.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-8:56am at 8:56 am (UTC -4)
do you believe he is the best in house option to replace Takahashi in the rotation?
trs86
7/21/2010-9:01am at 9:01 am (UTC -4)
Maybe? and he is not replacing him that we know of.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:31am at 9:31 am (UTC -4)
so then you believe then that Oliver Perez is one of the best 7 relievers we have?
trs86
7/21/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Maybe?
wannybackstra
7/21/2010-8:49am at 8:49 am (UTC -4)
I didn’t see anything in Fongy’s comment that compared Bay to Reyes. As I said above, why can’t they both be hurting the team? The fact of the matter is that Bay has been an awful middle of the order hitter — league average doesn’t cut it — and you’re still a baby.
trs86
7/21/2010-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
You are still a pompous reader just like you have always been.
fongy2
7/21/2010-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
Reyes has won games by himself this
year despite getting the late start,no
ST and now being injured
again.
What exactly is Bay’s excuse??
trs86
7/21/2010-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
I have no idea. Just saying that his under 100 OPS+ and under .330 OBP is hurting the team more.
fongy2
7/21/2010-8:55am at 8:55 am (UTC -4)
Again,has Reyes won games this yr despite the injuries etc?? AND has Bay?
trs86
7/21/2010-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
There have been a few but not enough for sure.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
Reyes was also sick/injured to start the season. He has been batting .302 since the Cincinnati series on May 3.
trs86
7/21/2010-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
Last 28 days:
.255 .280 .319 .599
fongy2
7/21/2010-8:49am at 8:49 am (UTC -4)
Thank You Sir!…
JBay is being paid ALOT of money to be
a 3/4/5 hitter,hit HRs
and drive in runs…
Not to get insignificant singles
in meaningless situations!…
How many games has this guy hand a serious part in Winning this season??
I think its safe to say that hes hit into double plays and struck out in big spots ALOT more times
than doing ANYTHING
positive at the plate.
I’m not attcking the guy just to attack him.I dont want to move him,I’m not blaming Omar for signing him AND I’m
glad hes a Met…..
BUT facts are facts,
NO healthy Met has under-performed any where near as much as
Jason Bay!
trs86
7/21/2010-8:50am at 8:50 am (UTC -4)
healthy I guess is the key and takes Reyes off the hook. I understand where you are coming from I just think Killing the team is too severe of a statement I guess.
fongy2
7/21/2010-8:53am at 8:53 am (UTC -4)
2hrs&38
rbis in
92gms
for 15million dollars
trs86
7/21/2010-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
Damn you get to take out numbers?
fongy2
7/21/2010-8:56am at 8:56 am (UTC -4)
As I said above,outside the two-two HR games which were meaningless in losses to the yanks and fish.
trs86
7/21/2010-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
OK so do I get to take two meaningless losses away from the team too? How about from Reyes’ stats?
ceetar
7/21/2010-8:59am at 8:59 am (UTC -4)
he’s not making 15million this year.
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:01am at 9:01 am (UTC -4)
Thank you Ceeter!
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:03am at 9:03 am (UTC -4)
you cannot factor money in the discussion. If they didnt spend that on Bay, that money would be in the Wilpon’s pocket most likely and not re-invested in the team…
njstuckintx
7/21/2010-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
No way. He’d have invested it. Maybe not all of it, but he would have spent it somewhere. Probably over paid to get Molina or something along those lines.
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:14am at 9:14 am (UTC -4)
Again, Reyes has won games for this team this season.Has Bay???
trs86
7/21/2010-9:17am at 9:17 am (UTC -4)
There have been a few but not many.
rustyjr
7/21/2010-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
To quote Sinbad from the movie nessasary roughness ” I feel alot of lve I’m this room – I really do !” lol
trs86
7/21/2010-8:54am at 8:54 am (UTC -4)
Eh, just Wanny coming on to start crap. Can’t make a point without insulting someone with a different opinion. No different than normal.
fongy2
7/21/2010-8:58am at 8:58 am (UTC -4)
And this statement
shouldn’t be taken
by him to be an insult?…..Hello….
Pot calling kettle…
Anyone home???
trs86
7/21/2010-9:08am at 9:08 am (UTC -4)
Why should he take that as an insult?
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
Nevermind….
That one flew right over ya
trs86
7/21/2010-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
Oh I can see how you are saying I might get one someone with a different opinion. Usually however, I don’t result to calling someone a name to do it.
youngvalerawest
7/21/2010-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
Cheerleader describes your actions and generally sums up your opinions. I could easily call you an asshole but I have not.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
As could I.
Again, Wanny I have a different opinion. Big deal.
I have my times of bitching about a Mets move but I try not to let it be every comment. So what if I am an optimist? Am I not allowed to be without being called a cheerleader?
rustyjr
7/21/2010-8:59am at 8:59 am (UTC -4)
Hey I lime the fact that we can have lively passionate discussions – it would be boring if everything was agreed on – fact ofthe matter is this team has to getbtheir act together and start winning – bottom line
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
Top and middle lines too!!
trs86
7/21/2010-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
Agreed.
njstuckintx
7/21/2010-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
So, Mets signed Cordero…
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
really??
njstuckintx
7/21/2010-9:08am at 9:08 am (UTC -4)
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/mets-agree-to-terms-with-chad-cordero.html
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
Thanks…Just
saw it.
Well, you know
Omar likes to take care of his guys….
He did draft Cordero,right?
trs86
7/21/2010-9:18am at 9:18 am (UTC -4)
It appears that Cordero will be arbitration-eligible after the season, as he’ll still be short of six years service time.
Rosenthal points out that Mets GM Omar Minaya originally drafted Cordero 20th overall as Expos GM in 2003. Cordero went on to save 128 games for the Expos/Nationals before his injury.
Cordero, 28, struggled in his short big league stint but posted a 4.12 ERA, 10.1 K/9, and 1.8 BB/9 in 19.6 Triple A innings this year.
ceetar
7/21/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Cordero has been historically a good pitcher. I like this. It may not work out, but it seems like he could possibly shake off the rust of nearly two years and definitely contribute.
It actually fits _exactly_ what the Mets seem to need. A quality 8th inning type arm that’s a closer but not a closer because he’s just happy to be back in the game at this point. Hopefully a handful of Buffalo innings will refine his game and get him up here.
njstuckintx
7/21/2010-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
His minor league numbers were actually pretty decent with the M’s. High K to BB ratio.
njstuckintx
7/21/2010-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
I like the signing. It’s classic Omar looking for gold in all the Iron Pyrite, but there isn’t much negative to it.
Good job Omar. May this be the beginning of a couple more Pitcher acquisitions.
njstuckintx
7/21/2010-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
Also, Haren has a list of teams he has a no trade clause for. Do we know who is on that?
rustyjr
7/21/2010-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
Just sW that also
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
Come on guys…you all know I was one of the few Ollie supporters when he signed that contract. But even I know he doesn’t have a shot in hell of helping this team right now.
Then again, the team appears to be in hell right now so maybe there is a shot….
I do believe the Mets tried everything they could think of short of releasing him to keep him from taking up a roster spot now. Ollie is just listening to his agent and going along with Boras’ game plane.
What bothers me is what difference does it make if they release him, he’s picked up and he pitches well? That’s really such a remote chance, it shouldn’t factor into it.
And I’d really like to know, if the Mets were playing better right now and sitting on top in the East if they would let him anywhere near this 25 man roster…
ceetar
7/21/2010-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
it’s not that remote a chance that he pitches well really.
trs86
7/21/2010-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think the Mets are concerned about what he does with someone else. Right or wrong I think they believe they can get him back to helpful. Also, I still think that Ollie has proven over his career to be able to come back from incredible sucking stretches. Can he do it again? I doubt it but there is a history.
ceetar
7/21/2010-9:12am at 9:12 am (UTC -4)
This team has a lot of “gotta hit bottom before you can achieve greatness” type stories this year. Why not another?
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
I’d like nothing better then to see that.
Ollie has to know no one has any confidence in him. Him doing well depends somewhat on how much confidence he has in himself. It’s going to be a tough sell for him. I’m just not sure he’s got it in him but I’d certainly rather see him succeed than fail….
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-9:18am at 9:18 am (UTC -4)
The pitcher the Mets signed was the ’07 and ’08 good/bad Ollie, with hopes he’d get a litte more consistent in ’09 since he was older (you know, the old leftys take a little longer mindset). I didn’t think it was such a bad signing as I’d take 12-15 games from Ollie, even though a little overpaid to do so.
I don’t think anyone could have predicted his falling so far off from what was his norm.
Given the fact that Ollie was never great at pitching with a game plan, he went on talent alone, any deviation from his routine – as in being injured and having to adjust – was the nail in his coffin. It was a struggle for Johan first half of the season coming back from his surgry. Johan is one smart pitcher though. He kept making adjustments until that arm got a little stronger.
Ollie seems to not have a clue. His velocity isn’t there and I’m not sure why. Having knee surgery should not have affected his arm but obviously, it affected his mechanics. Since his mechanics weren’t all that great to start with (how many different delivery release points has Ollie tried?), he seems like he has no idea how to get back on track. I’m not sure if his career is done, but I just don’t see him offering the Mets much help this year at all.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
hey thats not true…i predicted it!!!!
metsfan4decades
7/21/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
LOL….what else you see in that crystal ball? Are we getting a SP? Will the offense start picking it up?
Not sure how much more I can take…..
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
So….We were all looking for a SP
and a RP……And Omar gives us
Ollie and Cordero……….
Classic Omar indeed!
trs86
7/21/2010-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
sigh…
trs86
7/21/2010-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
How can you be upset with a Cordero signing? What does it hurt?
Also, we have no idea if Omar will get a SP nor at this point do we know Ollie will start.
fongy2
7/21/2010-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
Whos upset??…
Its not out of
the ordinary
for this current FO to
try and sell
Ollie and Cordero as deadline pick-up problem
solvers….
trs86
7/21/2010-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
I have not read any selling?
stickguy
7/21/2010-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
Geez, I knew it was going to be an ugly day in the blogsphere. Didn’t know that this place would become a slugfest too! Guess I really should not visit over at FWICG.
COrdero? From the little posted here, seems like a perfect no risk/maybe reward. Not sure if it is the only RP acquisition, but it is a live arm. ANd they have a pretty good collection of them down at AAA now.
Ollie? Still confusing.
But keep in mind, the trade deadline is next week. ANd I would bet Omar is working hard to find some way to move the guy.
No reason to release him before they exhaust all options for actually getting something out of him.
Plus, I always expected they give him 1 more shot to prove he can/can’t do the job. and this is it, although buried inthe back of the pen it will be hard to do.
ANd more and more every day, I want Jerry gone. There is still time to right the ship, but I think jerry is more like the captain of the Titanic.
The season is not lost my friends, but it is getting late early.
Just please, don’t let the Phils get Oswalt.
trs86
7/21/2010-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
I am not sure why so many are afraid of the Phillies getting Oswalt. They are either going to have to spend a lot of money or trade away some talent in a damaged farm. Also reports have them trading Werth to get him. The same Werth that is 2nd on the team in OPS and SLG.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
well they would replace Werth with Domonick Brown so the drop off in RF might be very small…
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/21/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. Supposedly Brown is hitting like .340ish in AAA.
stickguy
7/21/2010-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
so? Lucas Duda is hitting better (and more HRs) that Brwon is. You think he would keep it up if you called him up?
And don’t forget, Brwon would have the added pressure of essentially being the savior, having to come up to save the offense.
Nothing like that little extra pressure to be “the man” right out of the gate!
trs86
7/21/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
I am not sure where they would bat him.
Right now it’s
Rollins, Polanco, Ibanez (LOL), Howard, Werth, Vicki, Ruiz and Valdes.
Honestly it’s not hard to see why their offense is struggling. Asking a rookie to come in during the heat of a pennant race, team behind, and hit in an RBI spot? I guess they could bat him 7th or 8th.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
yet we have Ike Davis (a rookie) batting 4th, 5th and 6th.
or is it different b/c he is a Met?
trs86
7/21/2010-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
Nope. He was not brought in during the heat of a pennant race (unless you count May as heat of a race).
Also, fine take Davis. His OPS is no where near Werth.
trs86
7/21/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
2nd in OPS and SLG. Seriously you expect a rookie to come in and have an OPS+ of 131.
youngvalerawest
7/21/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
They don’t need an OPS+ of 131. They could get someone to have an OPS+ of 105 and he won’t hurt them batting fifth, right?
trs86
7/21/2010-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
Nah they already have Ibanez with a 92 OPS+
youngvalerawest
7/21/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
That would be a good point if only Ibanez had even one at bat batting cleanup or more than 8 total at bats batting 5th.
Jason Bay has batted primarily 4th and 5th for the Mets.
Apples. Oranges. Again.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
LF to LF.
You are right, right now Ibanez is batting 3rd.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
Also Pagan compares decently with Werth in terms of OPS+.
youngvalerawest
7/21/2010-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
What does LF to LF have to do with anything?
Ibanez has 38 total at bats batting 3rd and the move happens to coincide with his hot streak (he’s batting something like .400 in that span). And he’s only batting 3rd because he’s hot and because Utley is out.
So again, please try to state something relevant.
Bay has been crap all season by the standards of a 4th or 5th hitter. And certainly it was the Mets intention for him to fill one of those roles.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
I agree with your last statement.
oleosmirf
7/21/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
over a 10 week stretch i believe it is possible…look at Buster Posey…
trs86
7/21/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Of course it’s POSSIBLE. It’s just not likely in my opinion. In my opinion he would be lucky to have an OPS+ over 100.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
Hey maybe the Mets could replace someone with Duda. He’s hitting better than Brown so he is a complete stud that is guaranteed MLB success.
DNDJohan aka kistics
7/21/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
You are not at least bothered by this trade? If Oswalt goes to the Phillies, do you think the Mets have any shot at making the playoffs this season or next with Bravos, Phillies, Cards, Reds, Rockies, Padres, Dodgers and Giants?
And it’s not like the Mets have much flexibility in their payroll to add on significant talent. And if they do, why isn’t Oswalt here already?
trs86
7/21/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
I think the Mets would have the same chance of making it with the Phillies having Oswalt as without. They can’t score either and would be trading away their 2nd best offensive player this year.
saltygary
7/21/2010-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
It’s the psychological factor if the Phils signed Oswalt. It demonstrates that the Mets gave up and the Phils went down fighting.
Psycho analysis aside, I would have no problem with this. Oswalt is regressing and has a high price tag and Werth is a big offensive piece of that team. If they want to do it, go for it. It will just clog their payroll up even more.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
If the Mets have that weak of a mind then they would not win either way.
stickguy
7/21/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
well, I think we saw that in 2007 (I still think that year was a total mental choke. 2008 was lack of a BP)
trs86
7/21/2010-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
True but not many left from 2007.
stickguy
7/21/2010-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
well, at least if the phils get Oswalt, it won’t bother me if his back gives out again before the end of the year!
Werth makes relative chump change. I just don’t see how the Phils are going to fit Oswalts salary in, Especially next year. From what I read (local papaers) they had already pretty much stretched the budget. And they have a ton already under contract for next year, so another 16mill on top seems iffy.
But, maybe they are willing to run a deficit for another year. They pretty much already went all in on the current crop of old guys, so might as well double down and take 1 card, since the wheels are coming off soon anyway.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
They will have to dump Ibanez I guess.
Halladay and Howard get raises too.
Werth made 7.5M this year and Moyer takes up 8M so I guess that would be the money they needed. They certainly will be topped out.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
They already have 134M tied up for next year.
stickguy
7/21/2010-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
and for sure they wil lbe paying Ibanez, even if he isn’t playing for them anymore!
Did Rollins ever sign a new deal? I don’t think he did, and I forget which year he expires.
OK, just checked. He has a 8.5 mill option for 2011 that they exercised before this season.
I just don’t see where they are going to shed the payroll to not blow this seasons out of the water by getting oswalt. Unless someone takes Bolanton off their hands?
Some of the moves the Phils have made lately have been head scratchers.
trs86
7/21/2010-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
That Banton raise is rough.