I’ll tell you I have been like Sybil from ” The 3 Faces Of Eve ” of late – and It’s all the Mets FAULT!!! One day this team plays like gangbusters, shutting down the opposition, and the next day they look like the Bayonne Bleeder getting the stuffing knocked out of him by Muhammad Ali !I believe that Mike Pelfrey was rattled by the umpires microscopic strike zone , and wasn’t able to make the proper adjustments until the next inning. But by that point his pitch count was wayy to high and it was only a matter of time before Jerry Manuel would bring in his shaky bullpen , which went on to blow the precious one run lead, and in essence putting the game out of reach.
Am I upset about last nights game? Yes I am , but I won’t go as far as saying that it might be the final nail in the Mets coffin, like some commenter’s posted on last night’s post game thread. I feel there is a slim chance the Mets can go on a run, and I think we all know that if a last ditch run is to be made , it will be with the team we already have.As of my writing this post, Mlbtr has reported that the Tampa Bay Rays have obtained reliever – and rumored Mets target, Chad Qualls from the Arizona Diamondbacks for the very popular player to be Named later.
Lets face the facts that the Mets were never truly in the hunt for Roy Oswalt,Cliff Lee, Dan Haren etc. Their asking price was way to high we were led to believe ( even though it looked like the teams that traded them were fleeced). But lets face it the Mets are in a no win situation here. We kill them for not getting the big desirable piece that we feel will propel us into the post season, and we would kill them if they gave in and traded a Ike Davis, Josh Thole , a Jonathan Niese etc. We have to be realistic here , The Houston Astros were not going to accept Luis Castillo, Oliver Perez and Eddie Kunz for Oswalt – it just ain’t gonna happen. If anything I hope that Omar doesn’t make a knee jerk reaction like Jim Duquette did and have another rehash of the Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade. That was a trade which tarnished this franchise in the eyes of a desperate fan-base, and many fans still haven’t forgiven them for. Trust me I look around and I see almost every team making deals and the Mets are looking like the geeky nerd who went to the prom without a date.
I also realize – barring the non deal that sent Mike Jacobs to the Toronto Blue Jays for a player to be names later, that it is highly likely that the Mets won’t make a deadline trade for the second straight year. Is this because of Bernie Madoff ? A re Fred and Jeff hamstringing Omar Minaya on adding payroll (which Omar said before the season started that he had budgeted monies for the trade deadline). Or is it that they have already quietly given up on the season and don’t want extra costs to cloud their bottom line? I don’t know and I won’t even venture a guess because I am frustrated but there is nothing that I can do about it. If the Mets are as rumors state that they are in a financial mess, well then they should be open and honest with the fan base. Stop raising our expectations while ownership hopes and prays that their sloppily constructed team can catch lightening in a bottle and play meaningful games in September- Hell at this junction we are hoping for meaningful games in August. Don’t get me wrong, barring a complete free-fall, this team should end up slightly over .500 which is a hell of alot better than the 70-92 season we had last year. There is a strong nucleus here, it reminds me of the ’84 team. But ownership and the General Manager – whether it is Omar or someone else, have to make some changes from the manager and the coaching staff down to the complimentary players and make this team into a winner. Make this team into a winner – that I believe is what Jeff said they were going to do last off season when they ill advisedly went on the Mike Francesa’s Dance Party show, and put on a dog and pony show apologizing to fans about the way the ’09 season had ended. Jeff the team might finish alot better than it did last year, But something is still rotten in Flushing !!
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And with that said….. HERE COMES THE INFAMY !!!!!
Happy Birthday wishes go out to starting pitcher from the ’67 team, Billy Wynne (1943) He would be traded tot he Chicago White Sox that off season for legendary Mets outfielder,Tommy Agee and shortstop Al Weiss.
Toronto Blue Jays claimed outfielder, Lee Mazzilli of the New York Mets on waivers on July 31, 1989.I was shocked when I heard that day. I couldn’t believe they would just let Lee go like that.
In yet wahat would become another infamously bad trade, The New York Mets traded pitchers,Rick Aguilera, Dave West, Kevin Tapani, Tim Drummond and Jack Savage to the Minnesota Twins for Frank Viola on July 31, 1989. All the players the Mets dealt- with the exception of Savage, went on to have long productive careers , while Frank Viola’s first two years were great, he became tired of the Mets and signed on as a free agent with the Red Sox in ’92.
New York Mets traded pitchers,Bret Saberhagen and David Swanson to the Colorado Rockies for pitchers, Juan Acevedo and Arnold Gooch on July 31, 1995. All I can say is that I wonder what could have been if he didn’t shoot that super soaker full of bleach at the press that fateful day in ’92 . Bret, when healthy was lights out – to bad he was barely at full health during his tenure with the Mets.
New York Mets traded minor league pitcher,Leo Estrella to the Toronto Blue Jays for backup outfielder / first baseman,Tony Phillips on July 31, 1998.
New York Mets traded outfielder, Bernard Gilkey and a young pitcher named Nelson Figueroa to the Arizona Diamondbacks for reliever,Willie Blair and back up catcher,Jorge Fabregas on July 31, 1998.
New York Mets traded 1/3 of generation K.O’d , pitcher Bill Pulsipher to the Milwaukee Brewers for utility-man, Mike Kinkade on July 31, 1998.
New York Mets traded outfielder,Craig Paquette to the St. Louis Cardinals for shortstop,Shawon Dunston on July 31, 1999.
New York Mets traded outfielders, Brian McRae, Rigo Beltran and Tom Johnson to the Colorado Rockies for outfielder,Darryl Hamilton and reliever, Chuck McElroy on July 31, 1999.
New York Mets traded Generation K.O’d member, Jason Isringhausen along with reliever, Greg McMichael to the Oakland Athletics for Billy Taylor on July 31, 1999. Izzy would become one of the better closers of his era and Billy Taylor was gone soon after the ’99 season ended.
New York Mets traded Bobby Jones, a very young outfielder named Jason Bay and Josh Reynolds to the San Diego Padres for pitchers, Jason Middlebrook and Steve Reed on July 31, 2002. Insert your joke here.
New York Mets traded outfielder Jay Payton, pitcher, Mark Corey and Robert Stratton to the Colorado Rockies for pitchers, John Thomson and Mark Little on July 31, 2002.
New York Mets traded passed his prime pitcher,Scott Erickson to the Texas Rangers for Josh Hoffpauir on July 31, 2004.
And the trade that has in my opinion crippled us -
New York Mets traded Xavier Nady to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Oliver Perez and Roberto Hernandez on July 31, 2006. If we had never traded Ollie , we would never of signed him to the unjustifiable 36 million dollar contract we gave him last season , and we might have had some payroll flexibility this past off-season !!
Oh and by the way – Mo Vaughn like the taste of Diamondback flesh !!
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njstuckintx
7/31/2010-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
And the trade that has in my opinion crippled us -
New York Mets traded Xavier Nady to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Oliver Perez and Roberto Hernandez on July 31, 2006. If we had never traded Ollie , we would never of signed him to the unjustifiable 36 million dollar contract we gave him last season , and we might have had some payroll flexibility this past off-season !!
– The curse of the Dirty Sanchez! Going on to get something to eat at 2 in the morning… right… Room Service. It’s called Room Service.
rustyjr
7/31/2010-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
I think you are taking the phrase ” getting something to eat ” too literally – I believe he was on the prowl lol
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
have you seen the women in Miami…cant blame the guy lol
njstuckintx
7/31/2010-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
When you make 800K+, you can afford a trip to Miami in the offseason. Or a “room service” order.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
And what??
No snack machines??????
I still say THAT
cab ride cost us
a Championship!!!
gategem
7/31/2010-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
When you earn $800K and are a major league ballplayer you will find good looking girls/women in Pascagoula, Mississippi. LOL
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
hey…when you gotta eat lol
oleosmirf
7/31/2010-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
also had we not traded for Castillo, we would of had a better lineup the past few years.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Omar….And his friggin’ extentions!!!
Mota, Castillo, Ollie.
Doesn’t understand the term”Catching lightning
in a bottle”……….
njstuckintx
7/31/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
I think he understands the lightning in a bottle. It’s the axiom “lightning doesn’t strike twice for the same player, err, in the same spot” that he doesn’t understand.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
Yes, more accurate!
Thx!
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
The bottom line is the phillies threw down a gautlet to the NL east. They saw an opportunity to DOMINATE over here. As of now, the Mets have done nothing to answer the challenge. I can understand not wanting to give up niese and ike, but I believe by just releasing oliver perez they will show some sort of commitment to winning. I mean he is getting paid 12 million to NOT play. The last time he was in a game was on JULY 24th for christ sakes….HE HAS 41 INNINGS PITCHED WITH A 6 PLUS ERA!!!
You wanna start solving the Mets problems…you can start there.
oleosmirf
7/31/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
unfortunately our cries fall on deaf ears.
fongy2
7/31/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
Indeed!….
And it was a very dark day in Mets history
21 years ago today….
When the Mets just cut
my all-time favorite
Lee Mazzilli!….Here’s
hoping he’s back in uniform next season as
part of Bobby V’s coaching staff!!!
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
bobby’s going to chicago bud…
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
Shhh!!!
njstuckintx
7/31/2010-10:11am at 10:11 am (UTC -4)
Rusty, those trade recaps for the mets are just brutal.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
I think you had it right in the first paragraph. The price for these guys are just too high for the Mets. We don’t have the farm depth to sustain them.
Even looking at Dotel the Pirates want Carson. Looking for Lilly? Cubs want Thole and a prospect. For Myers, Thole and Parnell? Jays wanting Kirk + one for Downs.
That market is silly.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
BUT WAIT!…Hasn’t Omar been
in charge of Six Drafts so far?
And wasn’t he hired based on
his history of having a great
eye for young talent???
Hmmmm….
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
well…niese and ike are under omars watch…but your right, it appears we have nothing outside of those guys.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
Yup and they are getting better. Omar ravaged our farm by trading for guys like Johan, Putz, Delgado…
Now it is in rebuilding and has produced 3 guys that will be counted on next season.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
My friend THOSE
weren’t kids Omar drafted.
And outside of
the guys already here,
the system isn’t exactly stocked.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
Who the guys that we traded for Johan, Putz and Delgado? I am sure a couple were.
What does that have to do with it?
Point is that the Mets farm was ripped to pieces by those trades in a get good now mode. Now it appears they are making a commitment to their farm and not trading prospects for mediocre talent that will not be here the next year.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
My original point was that after six drafts there should be more @AA&AAA, if the GM was indeed some great draft evaluator.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
Hmmm, well 6 drafts. They did poorly in some of those drafts for sure. However, how many of the players in the last 3 drafts do you feel should be in AAA? That certainly is pushing a player isn’t it? Unless you draft all college kids.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
These are the players traded away in the above trades mentioned. Most have had very little impact in the Majors so far. Now I don’t know what you meant by ravaged but if the inference is that had those trades had not been made the Mets would have more than just the recent 3 players that could be counted on. Then I don’t know if I fully agree.
Santana Trade Mets gave
Deolis Guerra
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=guerra001deo
Carlos Gomez
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gomezca01.shtml
Philip Humber
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/humbeph01.shtml
Kevin Mulvey
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mulveke01.shtml
JJ Putz trade Mets gave
Ezequiel Carrera
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=carrer001eze
Maikel Cleto
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=cleto-001mai
Mike Carp
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carpmi01.shtml
Endy Chavez
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/chaveen01.shtml
Aaron Heilman
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/heilmaa01.shtml
Jason Vargas
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/vargaja01.shtml
Joe Smith
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smithjo05.shtml
Carlos Delgado trade Mets gave
Grant Psomas
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=psomas001wil
Mike Jacobs
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jacobmi02.shtml
Yusmeiro Petit
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/petityu01.shtml
trs86
7/31/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
Thanks for all the ground work.
Missing the point.
Point is the farm was absolutely terrible before he got here. He traded anything of any value at all for stars making a terrible farm even worse. The last 2 years I believe the Mets have started to make more of a commitment to that farm.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
Well considering that
Grant Psomas
Mike Jacobs
Yusmeiro Petit
Mike Carp
Endy Chavez
Aaron Heilman
Jason Vargas
Philip Humber
Carlos Gomez
Were all not drafted by Minaya with 6 drafts under his belt he has very little to show for it.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:06am at 11:06 am (UTC -4)
He has 2 pieces that could become part of the core in Ike and Niese. He has most likely the starting catcher.
Pelfrey, Niese, Davis, Parnell, Thole, Tejada, and Mejia have all played roles on this year’s team and were drafted by Omar.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:13am at 11:13 am (UTC -4)
Agreed time will tell how much of an impact these players will.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
Hopefully, Mejia, Havens and Kirk play roles on next year’s team. I could also see a few guys being bp help as well.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
Also, there have been potential deals for guys like Carson and Kirk.
I think Omar has decided he will not sacrifice the farm for marginal talent nor will he trade Davis or Niese. Thus, no moves.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
Hey, I’m glad he’s not!…
Let the next GM weed through
what we have
first.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
Your gonna have to wait a few years then. Omar is going nowhere.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Sad….
trs86
7/31/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
Some are.
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
I understand that and if anything, that should send a message that the mets approach to the draft is not working.
My issue is dumping dead weight as in oliver perez.
metsfan4decades
7/31/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
Agree with both points.
I don’t follow the draft and signing all that closely. We apparently have plenty of pitching in the minors but it’s looking like most of those pitchers though are a bust. I know young prospects are a crap shoot but dang….is this some incredible bad luck? Or not good enough talent evaluation.
And please…just release Ollie.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
Carson looks to have a decent value. Pirates want him for Dotel… Nope.
metsfan4decades
7/31/2010-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
Agreed.
rustyjr
7/31/2010-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
I think the other gm’s sense blood in the water in regards to omar & they are trying to fleece him – give Omar credit that he’s not pulling a bartolo colon while he might be on his way out the door
trs86
7/31/2010-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
metspolice
RT @CoreyNYC: fans have complained for yrs about not having prospects.Now that they holding on to home grown talent, Mets are “cheap”&”dumb”
Exactly.
metsfan4decades
7/31/2010-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
No, I don’t want Mets FO to make a panic move to appease the fans and trade the likes of Niese, Ike or even Mejia (seeing as he is right now the only real pitching prospect we have).
I don’t believe they’re cheap or broke either.
I think this is years of accumulated bad luck and less than stellar talent scouting and not willing to sign over slot for talent.
I don’t know how aggressive Omar really was in this trade market. Oswalt came very cheap, IMO, but from all I’m reading I think that was more the relationship there between TX and Phila then anything else. Many GMs were pissed about that.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
No….Not “exactly”…
there is middle ground….
but we’re past that now….
no move would be the best
move at this point since,
we’re about done and the high
impact guys have already been moved.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
And all of those high impact guys would have cost Niese or Davis based on all reports and the actual trades themselves.
fongy2
7/31/2010-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
Right…So like I said…
stand pat since
the season’s about over.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
Well the reason you wanted to have prospects is so you can also trade them away to add a piece that will allow you to compete for playoff run.
Again since it is clear we are no longer competing for a playoff spot I’d rather sell and build for 2011.
trs86
7/31/2010-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
I think you play it safe. Not sell at this point, you can do that in August.
Did I say the reason you have prospects is so you can trade them away? If I did I misspoke.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:01am at 11:01 am (UTC -4)
“Did I say the reason you have prospects is so you can trade them away? If I did I misspoke.”
I see so you are saying prospects are not for trading to add players to help you win?
OK nothing more then to say there.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
Uh… they are for both.
You need to have depth to trade as well as players who can take starting spots thus freeing up money to spend on FA.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:11am at 11:11 am (UTC -4)
exactly
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
bingo…
thats the blueprint…
trs86
7/31/2010-11:17am at 11:17 am (UTC -4)
I think the problem is that we do not have depth. We can debate why that is. However what I think can also be said is that the farm is in the best shape it has been in a long time, since for sure pre-Omar. Perhaps the Mets are starting to learn from their mistakes.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
“I think the problem is that we do not have depth.”
You Think?
I continue to say if we are in 2011 mode trade what you can for prospects to add depth to farm.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
I think that right now they are in both mode. Not a bad idea. They can still make trades in August for PTBNL when they are officially out. Not to mention some of these guys may net us picks.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
both mode lol.
And we wonder why people complain about the Mets not having a plan?
trs86
7/31/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
So you are saying the Mets should give up on July 31st when they may believe they are still in it?
I guess you are an all or nothing guy and that has merit. However, I think you wait and see if these guys can make a run the next 2 weeks. Again you can trade guys like Pedro in August just as easy as you can now and they are not going to have any less value.
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
Ill concede that point…ill agree the farm has been better but far from a point of being considered a strength…
trs86
7/31/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
Agreed.
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
and for those “years”, we have only developed two prospects that help the main team?
Guess what…we STILL dont have prospects…we have busts…6 years…and the only major league players the mets farm system have produced since omar came on the scene is carlos gomez, ike davis, john niese and I think thole was on his watch…thats it. The rest of our “prospects” are either not very good or very far away from being ML ready…so yes the Mets are cheap and dumb.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:18am at 11:18 am (UTC -4)
Pelfrey, Parnell.
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
well…parnell spent half a year up here both in 09 and 2010 so he doesnt count in my opinion, so i guess you can lump thole with that criteria also. Was pelfrey an 05 pick?
trs86
7/31/2010-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Yes.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:22am at 11:22 am (UTC -4)
The Phillies have had no contributions from even one player drafted since 2005.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
Braves 3, Heyward (2007), Medlen (2006) and Hanson (2005).
dirtysanchez
7/31/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
not directly…but indirectly they have
Roy Halladay
Roy Oswalt
Cliff Lee
When was cole hamels drafted?
The prospect drafted since 05 dont have a direct contribution but their involvement in trades have resulted in a world series championship in 2008 and an appearance in 2009…mets have one playoff apperence in that time.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
Hamels was 2002.
What the Phillies are benefiting from is very good drafting in the late 90′s early 2000′s. That and very well spent money. They took some gambles on players that worked out. Trades like for Lidge and even getting Werth.
My point is that you can’t use 2005 as a guide to tell if your farm system is working. I guess you could based on trades that were made in that time. Of course the Mets traded for Johan, Lo Duca, Delgado, Putz and more during that time as well. Also what hurt the Mets was signing type A FA and giving up their 1st round picks.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
Yup, doesn’t everyone know the don’t look at the GM’s 1st year draft rule?
trs86
7/31/2010-11:40am at 11:40 am (UTC -4)
I am saying that it’s too early to judge the Mets farm since 2005 based on who is contributing in the majors. Most teams you would not see any contribution of years 2007-2010 for sure.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
Too early too late these are all opinions that vary with whomever you ask.
If you feel it is too early I respect that and If someone feels it is not I respect that since there is no set guideline for saying when one should or shouldn’t.
What is important is in 6 drafts what has Minaya to show for it and where is the farm now?
Maybe Metro who is very well versed on the Mets farm system can do a analysis on the Mets last 6 drafts and what it has to show for itself.
oleosmirf
7/31/2010-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
Omar’s drafting has been a disaster. besides Niese, Omar has gotten nothing out of the pitchers we’ve drafted outside the 1st round.
trs86
7/31/2010-12:24pm at 12:24 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, first round does not count. I guess that way Pelfrey does not count either.
That being said the pitching situation in the minors is bad. I think position player wise it’s actually decent.
oleosmirf
7/31/2010-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
first round picks are much more of a sure thing than the other rounds. Its hard to draft 5 years in a row and have 5 busts in the 1st round.
you or I could do just as well as most GMs in the first round.
trs86
7/31/2010-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
True. I am saying that you can not judge it based on players produced. I am pretty sure most would agree there considering they have about the same production as everyone else.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
They don’t need to they have been in playoffs every year since 2007 and have a ring and 2 world series appearances to show for it and somehow look to be a formidable team for the next 2 years.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
Not the point. Just saying you can’t use 2005 as a guide and say there should be more players helping the team. The Mets have as many or more recent draftees helping the team as a lot of teams. The Mets problem obviously is that for a few years they did not spend their money wisely and the Phillies did, until recently with those insane contract to Ibanez, Blanton, Lidge, etc.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
Of course had he produced a player in 2005 that would be playing on the Mets now you would have a complet6ely different argument.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
Uh Pelfrey?
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
Your right well that confirms it I stand corrected you would still be making the same argument.
As far as using 2005 as a guide I don’t know who was using 2005 but I think you have to look at Minaya’s 6 drafts and not single out just 1. Up until 2009 the Mets farm had not started to create a buzz about up and coming players and the media was the last to know cause many fans knew of Kirk and Havens to name only 2 way back in August.
Still we can’t get ahead of ourselves as they are prospects but I hope people don’t now start falling in love with many of these prospects also.
trs86
7/31/2010-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
No one was suggesting using 2005 the year as a guide. Many were suggesting using since 2005 and my point as I have said over and over again is that is not a good time frame to judge using production on the MLB level. If you want to say based on how scouts view the system maybe.
GravediggerHebner
7/31/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
It’s worth noting that Pelfrey has basically had a good 2 1/2 months in his major league career so far.
Mr North Jersey
7/31/2010-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
I don’t get it why the need to bring up Phillie draft picks?
What is the point you trying to make?
If the Mets had no draft pick contribute since 2005 but have been on post season every year since 2007 and 1 ring who would be complaining.
trs86
7/31/2010-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
See my previous responses. You can’t go by what have my draft picks done since 2005. That’s too early. You are getting mostly only contributions from 2 of those 6 years.
fongy2
7/31/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
Take a look around MLB and
see if that holds true.
You seem to think Omar’s been a success
and I guess it says alot about
expectations in
the 21st century.
6 yrs on the job
as one of the highest paid in
the biz,until this yr,full autonomy to hire
and do whatever
you want,2 Mgrs
3or4 Coaching
staffs,two minor
league latin-directors(supposed to be
Omars strong suit), almost a
Billion Dollars
spent and obligated in player salary,
six drafts and still a very ordinary(at best)farm,only a handful of players drafted
who have reached the Majors and none
Superstars,embarrassments off the field concerning the top assistants,
beat writers etc,one playoff appearance,two EPIC collapes,
one lost season
and two.500 type
third place finishes……
All the while your main two rivals contendent every year, have
multiple playoff
appearances and
Win Championships
and their runs look to be set up for another couple years…
While being a bumbling,language destroying communicator…
In New York City!………
Yeah, THAT sounds like a success to me!……….
metsfan4decades
7/31/2010-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
Summed up, it pretty much looks like a failing grade.
I think a lot of this hinges on the farm system. That’s where the real failures have been. We’re not the Yankees who can go out and buy what we don’t have. And even the Yankees sign some talent they can use in trades.
Sigh….
trs86
7/31/2010-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
Well you are certainly entitled to that opinion.
As for your point on if that is true around the majors concerning only a handful of players since 2005 I am not sure. So far I have looked at the Phillies (0), Braves (3), Cards (3), Reds (3), Pads (5, many of those very little impact), Giants (3).
fongy2
7/31/2010-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
Oops..I think you forgot to include all the “kids” traded to bring in goodies like Lee,Halladay&Oswalt….I’m sure it was just an oversight though…..