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#mets will try again to convince ollie perez to go to minors. manuel has told them he will not pitch him at homeless than a minute ago via webJon HeymanSI_JonHeyman
7/31/2010-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
DFA qualifies as a move, no?
So I guess the shopping did not go too well. So rumor is that the Mets offered Perez and Castillo for Zamby and Cubs did not want Castillo. Is that saying the Cubs feel like they will not have to eat more than 12M for Zambrano? If so then they have by far the most insane GM.
Hopefully he goes to AAA and we don’t see him again this year.
7/31/2010-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
If it was only castillo that was the hold up, change him out. Put in Evans + some others. Carter even. Dropping Castillo next year, should they go down that road, is only a 6 mil drop in the bucket. Make the money even out with Zamby if necessary, but having Castillo be the hold up strikes me as odd.
7/31/2010-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
which is why the rumor is probably mostly false. I’m not listening to Twitter/radio today. screw it all, I’ll analyze the results, not the random whispers of brainless “experts”
7/31/2010-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
I concur and thanks for the even keel. Realize the source, not the statement.
7/31/2010-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
I am willing to bet the Mets also want them to pick up much of Zamby’s contract.
7/31/2010-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
But even making it so it was Zamby for Perez & Castillo, so the money washes, you’d think the Cubs would consider it. Big Z is a big pariah these days.
7/31/2010-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Problem is that would NOT make it where the money washes. Zambrano would still be owed MUCH more. So what I was saying is the Mets most likely wanted them to also chip in money.
Which just goes to show how little is though about Ollie and Luis around
7/31/2010-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
And really how even less is though about Zambrano’s 36M left.
7/31/2010-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
This to me is addition by subtraction. This is just as good as getting a Lilly.
I hope OLLIE accepts.
7/31/2010-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
If they are at this point, then if he says no to the AAA idea (and I am sure he will say no), then the only move left is DFA.
This pisses me off in sooo many different ways.
Why bring him back up before 30 days if you’re only going to pitch him 2 innings and then try to demote him? should’ve held out.
Why are you letting the manager dictate the roster? Like it or not, that’s not his job. It’s a power-play by him and I do not believe he should have any authority to make calls like that.
Manuel won’t use Oliver at home but he’ll use him instead of K-Rod on the road? Beyond ridiculous and Manuel’s ineptitude at reading situations or stats or understanding some of the most basic concepts of baseball are part of the reason the team is struggling.
Then again, It’s Heyman, and it seems unlikely much of what he says is true. poor track record. He’s just doing his “quantity over quality” with rumors again today.
Shoot me now !
While you are a tinge pissed off, I gained some respect for Jerry for refusing to play Ollie. The FO needs to act on the albatross that is Ollie Perez.
7/31/2010-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
I disagree. It’s Manuel’s job on the line in my opinion not Omar or the Wilpons. If he feels like Ollie is lessening his chance of retaining his job then why shouldn’t he be trying to get him off the team?
7/31/2010-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
a little late for this type of thinking!
Jerry should have felt
like this b/f doing things likehaving Reyes but a runner over w/ no out thinking Castillo would drive him in…
Or PHing Thole to do the same or having KRod get loose six times only to bring
7/31/2010-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
Oh Jerry is terrible and needs to go.
Just saying that Jerry should have some say so over the roster if his job is on the line.
7/31/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
NOT w/Omar who thinks
its a good idea to
involved in everything that goes
on including in the clubhouse and
on the field.
7/31/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
Have to agree with real and TK here.
Jerry is fighting for his managerial life. I’m not saying all his decisions are the best tactical moves – not by a long shot (i.e. the ‘bunt’) but refusing to use Ollie is a smart move for the team, IMO.
Because he had as much a part of getting him back on the team by declaring him ready to go in SF. He could’ve said “wait out the 30 days” he could’ve said then I’m not going to use him. Why wait until now? Why use him instead of Frankie? (insinuating that he has at least some value) Why let him wallow in the bullpen for a couple of days now and then bother to speak up?
Whatever, he speaks up, he’s full of baloney statements anyway. But if the Mets shouldn’t be making decisions based on that. They should make their own evaluations of the roster themselves. And as I’ve been saying for years now, if the manager and the front office are in disagreement as they seem to so often be, about roster decisions (see Mejia, etc) then you need to find a manager that fits better with the overall plan.
I am sure they will. Look if Omar wanted Perez to pitch then Perez would pitch.
7/31/2010-10:39am at 10:39 am (UTC -4)
the manager’s job is to win games and he knows he cant use Perez or else they will lose. The fact that he is even on the active roster right now is an embarrassment and another reason why everyone thinks this organization is a joke.
last night was a perfect example of how Ollie hurts the team even when he doesn’t come in the game. If they would have gotten a SP there, hell even Misch and moved Takahashi to the pen then thats Takahashi’s spot not Valdes. or if they would have had Cordero instead of Ollie, Valdes doesnt go in there.
For all of you who blasted the analysts for saying the mets were pretenders, its b/c they know somehow the Mets will botch every decision there is. I’ve fully made up mind, even if Omar’s hands are tied, this season needs should be his last.
7/31/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
7/31/2010-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
I was on the fence concerning Omar until just recently. I don’t know if I have all the facts. I can’t decide if Omar’s talents as a GM are lacking or his strings are being pulled by Jeff.
Thing is, if Omar’s hands are being tied then what good is bringing in a new GM gonna do?
7/31/2010-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
4D besides the Ollie issues what has Omar done this season that would be considered being a poor GM?
Not trading Ike or Niese? Not trading Thole and a prospect for Lilly?
7/31/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
I’m saying I don’t know where Omar stands as far as GMs. I absolutely don’t want Ike or Niese traded.
I’m saying I have no idea where the fault lies in the fact that we don’t seem to have any pitching prospects in the minors (outside of Mejia). Bad luck? Didn’t pan out? Not aggressive enough? Who knows? I know I don’t but I don’t study those signings as closely as some.
I’ll credit Omar with not making any panic moves. But I still say we needed a SP going into the season, and not rolling the dice with Ollie and Maine. Rolling the dice with one, maybe…but 2? That wasn’t bad luck…that just wasn’t smart.
7/31/2010-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
I agree they should have brought someone in. The problem was that anyone they would have brought in would be mediocre at best and was getting overpaid.
7/31/2010-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
the fact that our farm system is really bad and none of his big signings are working out lately.
missing the playoffs 4 years in a row, is enough for me
7/31/2010-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
Farm system is not really bad, it’s average.
7/31/2010-10:56am at 10:56 am (UTC -4)
Nah Omar has not done too badly actually. Has not over spent on mediocre talent, has not traded prospects for mediocre talent. The Perez issue is a debacle but over all I think Omar has been fine this year.
7/31/2010-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
If you go back to the pre season posts, I think you’ll see me and Grave all over ‘we need another SP’. That’s the one area Omar gets an ‘F’ in, in my book.
Now….I know he said what was available was not better than what we have. And alot of those available have been a bust. But what we had – with Ollie and Maine – well, wasn’t all that good. I’ll credit him with Dickey and Taka – and thank the gods we had them when Ollie and Maine went down. I just cannot help thinking if we just had that one more solid SP, things might be looking a bit different right now.
7/31/2010-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
Possibly. The problem though over and over again this year has been the offense. Yeah we still need another starter and yeah it would have been nice to have gotten one. However, I still can’t complain that he did not over spend on Marquis, Wolf, or Pineiro.
I think part of the problem was they felt stuck with Ollie and Maine. They were not going to just release Ollie before the season and they believed Maine had worked hard and deserved a chance.
7/31/2010-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
Someone punch him really, really hard so he can go on the DL until rosters expand, so he can just rot on the bench when he gets back. Maybe he will bounce back next year…?
7/31/2010-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
And again, no defense of
Jerry BUT when he has
Ollie and Bay’s no been DL’d
certainly limits the in-game moves….
7/31/2010-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
no it doesn’t.
still shouldn’t have gone to Valdes. doesn’t matter who else is the last man in the pen. and even more reason why he should’ve left Pelfrey in if the pen is “short”
So why shouldn’t he have gone to Valdes? Valdes has been pretty good until last night.
What hurt was he had him warming up for 5 innings.
7/31/2010-10:59am at 10:59 am (UTC -4)
â€œUnfortunately Valdes has an OPS-against of .852 versus left handed hittersâ€¦â€
From Adam Rubin:
â€œValdes had retired Johnson in all three meetings in Arizona, twice via strikeout.
â€˜That was truly a surprise, because I thought that was a tremendous matchup in our favor â€” even going on the small bit of history that they had against each other,â€™ Manuel said about the Johnson-Valdes matchup. â€˜As I recollect, the couple of at-bats in Arizona it just looked like there was no chance that he would get a hit. But he gave up that home run. Obviously the home run to Montero was also huge. I think, for me, the most surprising thing tonight was that part of the game. That was very surprisingâ€™ â€
7/31/2010-11:01am at 11:01 am (UTC -4)
Jerry goes with his ‘gut’. So far, from what I’ve witnessed, his ‘gut’ has been wrong about 70% of the time. So….does that translate to not very smart calculated in game moves?
I don’t think there is anyway Jerry survives past this season.
I’ll give Omar 50/50 odds right now.
7/31/2010-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Manuel should rarely be “surprised”. Yes, recent matchups worked out, which also means Johnson had just seen Valdes. Also, the warming up didn’t help. Also, Valdes isn’t very good against lefties. Also, Pelfrey had retired a ton of guys in a row and supposedly the bullpen is ‘short’ because of Perez. Also, Valdes looked completely lost and gave up a home run and two singles before facing Montero and I bet even Montero realized he shouldn’t be in the game anymore.
Pelfrey also had 118 pitches right?
7/31/2010-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
And Reyes made an error that prolonged the inning lets not just exonerate him from his role in the disaster.
7/31/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
now we all know the Mets will not fix the problems this offseason but they will try to “win back” the fan base by making a big name signing and try to make the fans forget that we have Castillo and Ollie still on the team.
If Castillo or Ollie are on the team in any capacity going into ST next season you might as well give up on 2011 too. You might be able to fool Joe Brooklyn or Tony Queens but you wont be able to fool me…
7/31/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
The Mets offseason plan IMO should be
1) gut the entire front office and coaching staff except for Chip Hale. Hire Kevin Towers as GM and Bobby Valentine as Manager.
2) flat out release Ollie and Castillo if no team is willing to trade for them (which obviously no team will unless we take back an equally terrible player/contract in return)
3) SP: resign Dickey as the #5 SP and acquire another SP in the offseason. I would suggest a low risk/high reward for someone like Webb/Young/Duchscherer as after Lee there is no-one i find appealing. Towers is notorious for finding great steals for the pitching staff.
4) RP: keep Takahashi, Parnell, Feliciano, K-Rod. give Dessens and Acosta an opportunity to make the team but by no means guarantee it. Get a nice collection of arms and maybe you find someone who fits. Again Towers is good when it comes to finding pitchers.
5) lineup: look to trade Beltran, if not then let him finish his contract out. sign a 1 year stop-gap to replace Castillo. I dont want to hear about Tejada, he can replace Cora in 2012. The best FA options IMO are 1) Juan Uribe 2) Ty Wigginton 3) Jose Lopez 4) Orlando Hudson 5) Felipe Lopez. The Mets need backup catcher that can hit LHP if Blanco is not retained. Varitek would be perfect as strictly a backup. other options (for strictly a backup) i like are the 2 older Molina brothers, Ramon Hernandez or Gerald Laird.
7/31/2010-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
Anyone else find it sad we’re talking about what we need to do in the off season before August has even started yet?
7/31/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, that being said I still don’t think this season is completely over yet. It is close but way too early.
7/31/2010-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
dont respond to this, posted it on next page
7/31/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
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