Something always goes wrong with the Mets just when things are going well. I’m not sure what it is. I don’t know if it’s one thing over and over or different things each time. All I know is every time the Mets are on the cusp of a sustained run of success (by that I mean more than 2 consecutive years of post season berths with at least 1 WS Championship in there) something goes wrong. A foundation for a dynasty is seemingly laid but the dynasty itself is never built.
I wasn’t old enough to have a feel for the team in ’69 or ’73 so I can’t comment on that era.
In ’84 when the team was finally good after a futile decade it sure felt like the beginning of a nice long run of playoffs and this was pre-wildcard (for you youngins). But in ’85 they didn’t quite make it. In ’86 we all know what happened and thank God it did or we’d have nothing to cling to in a stormy sea. But they missed the playoffs in ’87 and were unceremoniously bounced from them in ’88 then slowly faded away.
In ’98 it seemed like the beginning of something good but then ’99 and ’00 were like a shooting star. If you blinked it was over.
Then in a surprisingly (to me) quick turnaround for this organization the team returned to the post season in ’06 and seemed yet again on the cusp of a sustained run of post season appearances and success but again something went wrong.
I don’t believe in curses. There has to be a tangible reason or reasons for this.
I guess in the ’80s it was a combination of overindulgence by some players and fear of it happening with other players causing them to be sent away weakening the roster.
At the turn of the century I guess it was a power struggle between the manager and general manager that the ownership couldn’t keep in check.
What is it now? My guess is it’s impotent ownership but I can’t prove it. All I know is I see all kinds of shenanigans and ineptitude in all aspects of the Major League level with no clear vision and no clear captain of the ship. Continuing the ship analogy let’s finish this off with an exchange between then New York Knick Micheal “Sugar” Ray Richardson and a reporter in regard to the fortunes of the Knicks:
- Reporter: “What do you think is happening to the team?”
- Richardson: “The ship be sinking.”
- Reporter: “How far can it sink?”
- Richardson: “Sky’s the limit.”
What do you think the problem is?
"It's not a knock, but they are some crafty people."
81 comments
rustyjr
8/3/2010-11:44am at 11:44 am (UTC -4)
Well mike from nybd interviewed frank cashen and frank intimated that the whole dynamic of being a gm has changed – the gm used to be the c.o.o and banked everything from player development to tickets sales to pro
otions – the owners used to be very hands off – atleast Nelson was .
stickguy
8/3/2010-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
partly bad luck, and largely from a poorly designed and somewhat dysfunctional organizational structure.
and the only way to figure out if that is the reason, is to blow it up and bring in new blood.
but as noted, unless the owners decide to step back and take their hands off the controls, nothing material will change with the team, and how it is run.
gonzowill
8/3/2010-11:58am at 11:58 am (UTC -4)
Homeground talent mixed with maybe one or two big free agents and some role players that match the teams chemistry. And I also believe in a little bit of luck-not a lot but just a little when it comes down to injuries and players who play above their level. I also like to look at the teams that are successful in the Majors. Look at the PHillies, the Rays, the Yankees.
stickguy
8/3/2010-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
the phillies really didnt become good until they brought in gillick, but he may have inherited Utley and Howard (same as how Omar got reyes and wright)
oleosmirf
8/3/2010-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
this organization is a flat out mess that wont be sorted out anytime soon
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
Companies and Countries run by a dictator are run more efficiently. That is a fact. Now, I will not get into the arguement concerning the direction of said efficiencies… Eliminate the number of cooks in the kitchen and what you want/how you want something cooked is more likely to happen. Also helps if that said cook in the kitchen actually went to culinary school instead of being the child of Bobby Flay or Cat Cora or BAMM Legassi. Just cause you have the lineage does not equate to ability. (See Tony Gwynn to Tony Gwynn JR as an example to that) Junior Wilpon will never be confused with a “mind for baseball”. Until that is corrected and his meddlesome hands with his silver stirring spoon are removed from Omar’s (or GM’s to come) cooking pot, I’m afraid the product is going to less than savory. Unless, of course, the miracle mets happen once again. And while I do believe in miracles, I don’t count on them occuring.
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
Well said. The oft-reported “collegial style” isn’t helping.
Kingman 26
8/3/2010-12:18pm at 12:18 pm (UTC -4)
“Companies and Countries run by a dictator are run more efficiently.”
Wow, what an absolutely and utterly false thing to say.
Yeah, Uganda and Cuba and Syria and Iran are much more efficient than Scandinavia and Japan and Canada and Israel.
And from my experience as a business owner, the unionized UPS runs circles around the rightist, dictator-run FedEx.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
As I said, i’m not going to argue what those efficiencies are. I didn’t say they are the best run. Problem with a dictator is you are placing all your bets on 1 person to do right. It is efficient because you don’t have to clear crap with committee after subcommittee after subcommittee.
And as for UPS/FED EX thing, that’s not completely correct. UPS is hamstrung by the unions in various ways. They also have their focuses in slightly different realms in regards to international/domestic cargoes. Again, I’m not going to ague minutia, as i’m talking of efficiencies, not intellegence of said people in power or the wisdom to put said intellegence into action.
Also, UPS and Fed Ex are merging. Going to be called Fed-UP.
Kingman 26
8/3/2010-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
Haha on the Fed-Up thing; that’s good.
But if we differ politically, we will never agree on this.
I see UPS as a company where the drivers make a very nice living.
And despite what people may think, UPS’ international service is outstanding. FedEx domestically is good, but in my experience nothing like UPS.
Unions have their flaws, but whether it is UPS, the auto companies in their heyday, the Teamsters, or today’s amazingly productive Las Vegas union workers, unions in the US have provided countless millions with a much, much better life than their nonunion counterparts.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
Agree to disagree.
You don’t work for UPS, do you?
Kingman 26
8/3/2010-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
LOL! No, I don’t. My biz has used them for shipping for almost a decade, and they do a really fine job.
And I think it is best that we debate sports.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
Amen to that. Now, what is your stance on Religion in sports?
kidding…
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
North Korea isn’t doing too bad.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
Not for Kim Jong Illin’.
fongy2
8/3/2010-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
Tree bark soup for
the masses!!
Yum-O!!!
Kingman 26
8/3/2010-12:55pm at 12:55 pm (UTC -4)
Oh yeah, and that soup is made SO very efficiently!
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
No soup for you!
Kingman 26
8/3/2010-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
NEXT!
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
as long as it’s efficient.
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think you can really put a blame on the ownership. The Mets have been one of the top spenders in the league. They have spent the money necessary to win and as a result ’06 team had the best record in baseball.
I think it’s a combination of couple things like bad contracts, lack of prospect development, etc. I think the finger pointing should be on Omar. I think he has not spent the money wisely and now that he’s tied up financially, there isn’t much that he can do but to make minor league moves and hope to get the ‘lightening in the bottle’ type of players. I mean look at the past off season signings. Outside of Bay, they’re all minor league deals for injured or washed up players hoping to find another Tatis/Valentin/Dickey.
Kingman 26
8/3/2010-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
First off, great job on correctly spelling Micheal, even though the Fleer card you show did not!
However, a picture of him as a Net would have really made the story even more perfect; maybe a shot of him leading the ONLY pre-Kidd Net NBA team to win a playoff series.
Nice work Grave, and I do agree—this team seems destined to NEVER have a sustained run of postseason appearances.
To me, it is 100% not having enough around The Core.
In 2006 they had Delgado, Valentin, LoDuca, Bradford, Oliver, Sanchez, Chavez, and Floyd.
Take one quick look at 2010′s corresponding players, and try to find a garbage pail to vomit in real quick. Yeah, I know Chris Carter is a great power hitter, blah blah blah. A team with Chris Carter and Mike Hessman is a 4th place team–unless it plays in AAA.
1986 is not a fair comparison, but the 5th starter/long man was Rick Aguilera. One of the last pen guys was Randy Myers. Two utility players were Kevin Mitchell and Howard Johnson.
The Core, despite Reyes’ subpar year and Beltran’s injuries, still is not the problem. It is the mystifyingly awful Bay, the unmystifyingly awful Francoeur, and other offensive black holes at C and 2B, as well as back of the rotation troubles, the maddening headcase Pelf, and the atrocious back end of the pen.
Can all of this be rectified sufficiently in a division with 2 very good teams, an always competitive Marlin team, and the sure-to-be-better-in-2011 Nats?
I don’t know. But for one, Niese better be a number 3 or at least 4 next year, and Ike better hit better than the good-fielding version of Mike Jacobs which he is right now.
prismo
8/3/2010-3:20pm at 3:20 pm (UTC -4)
For the most part I agree with you, but aren’t you being a little hard on Ike? He hasn’t even played 100 games yet in the bigs and he’s on a 162 game pace for 26HR and 92RBI on a weak-hitting team, and that includes his recent struggles.
Kingman 26
8/3/2010-5:19pm at 5:19 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, and you are right as is generally the case.
I did say “right now” but still, Ike barely played above AA ball, and I do have high hopes for him, and he is a very good fielder, and he does have a tendency to get big hits late in games.
rustyjr
8/3/2010-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
Here’s part of the interview
“When I was the general manager I was part of a dying breed,†Cashen said,†I was in charge of ticket sales, the field, radio, and television.†He describes essentially someone who owned a business and had to be accountable for everything from personnel to marketing of the brand. Lucky for Cashen he had the ownership that allowed that autonomy, as well as the ability to work in the old school print media era.
Things have changed so much that I wonder if Cashen would have been able to pull off the Gary Carter trade. He wanted another bat for his young club and thought Carter was the perfect fit. When approaching Montreal, team president and GM John McHale he told him “if anyone hears I am talking about trading Carter I am going to get thrown out of Canada.†Three weeks and twenty five conversations later Carter was a Met. Imagine in the era of MLB Trade Rumors and new media? Montreal fans would have probably heard about this and may have swayed an already skeptical McHale against trading his star. Without Carter, it’s conceivable the Mets never win a title. Even more ironic was how Mets ownership didn’t know about the Keith Hernandez/Neil Allen deal until it was consummated. Think the Mets would have easily taken on a “wild boy†like Mex today? I suspect a thorough background check would have been in play. It was so much easier to control information and each process when you had less people and technology involved. Remember, WFAN wasn’t even around early in Cashen’s tenure.
I wish that we had a gm as great cashen was
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
Not to take anything away from the interview but Cashen told that story in the day-before-the-event press conference that SNY broadcast live as well I heard it then.
I agree that in this era of instant information and people willing to leak that information Carter being acquired seems much less likely.
Related to that I believe that many of these leaks are purposely done precisely to gain feedback on potential moves. I wasn’t paying close attention then but I wonder if there was public outcry against the Mets signing Yorvit Torrealba a couple years ago because it was such a “done deal” that never happened that he sued the team. To the best of my knowledge that is still unresolved.
fongy2
8/3/2010-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
Funnier was that despite”failing his physical”and spending time on the DL with
The Rox, Omar tried to sign him AGAIN…….
HELLO!!!!……….
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
‘I wish that we had a gm as great cashen was.’
This generation’s great GM class just might include Jon Daniels.
If what I’m reading is accurate, he might soon be out of a job. Make it happen, Wilpon.
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
On a lighter note Ed Coleman was just on the FAN and they were talking about what Jerry’s hints that some lineup changes were coming might mean. Basically all they could say with certainty was that it would mean less playing time for Jeff Francoeur.
But Coleman elaborated on what he thought should be done given the current roster and I thought it was worth noting.
He said roughly “keep Beltran and Wright where they are. Pagan has been great in the 2 spot but this team is having trouble driving in runs so I would move Pagan to 5th and Ike down to 6th.”
Joe & Evan interrupt him “so who’s batting 2nd Castillo?”
“Yes I know he’s bad but he’s better there than he is 8th.” (I agree with this) “If not Castillo 2nd you could bat Thole 2nd he makes enough contact and has a good enough eye to work in that spot. Cora could play 2nd and bat 8th better than Castillo in that spot.
So as best as I can tell he’s talking about something like:
Reyes
Thole
Beltran
Wright
Pagan
Davis
Feliciano/Carter
Cora
Pitcher
I don’t hate that.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
Hello 2 million dollar option man!
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
LOL
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
I hear you that’s certainly not optimal. Given the team’s current place in the standings ideally I’d call up Turner or maybe Tejada (but I think he needs more MiLB seasoning) to play 2nd.
Failing that I would stick with Castillo over Cora since it matter little for this season and negatively impacts next season if you don’t, but if doing that I’m going to agree with Coleman and bat him 2nd, not 8th. He just doesn’t approach at bats in a way that’s conducive to him batting 8th. Walking (or getting called out on strikes) ahead of the pitcher only helps with 2 out none on in that it clears the pitcher spot for the following inning. If anyone is on base it’s just horrible.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
I’m trying to determine what’s better.
Hitter, Hole, Hitter, Hitter, Hitter, Hitter, Hole, Hitter, Hole.
or…
Hitter, Hitter, Hitter, Hitter, Hitter, Hitter, Hole, Hole, Hole.
Those holes are Castillo, Frenchy and pitcher. Swapping out Thole with other Catcher options turns a hitter into another hole.
Your 2010 Mets… Not Optimal.
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
There’s a slogan I can get behind.
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
I like Pagan batting later in the order too. But then who’s going to drive him in?
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
Problem is you can shuffle the lineup anyway you want but it’s not going to compensate for the holes in the offense we’ve got.
2nd base/catcher/Franceour are well below league average.
Ike has got typical rookie-itis.
Beltran still finding his way back.
Bay on the DL
That leaves Reyes/Wright/Pagan
Very thin…..
Carter in the lineup, thus in the OF scares me b/c I don’t think he can make it into the infield with a ball on the fly.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
What I said above, but more eloquently.
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-1:07pm at 1:07 pm (UTC -4)
But Luis at #8 is just dreadful. I don’t think he even tries hitting #8.
fongy2
8/3/2010-1:07pm at 1:07 pm (UTC -4)
Doesn’t matter anyway….
Seasons been lost already.
Hey, MF4D I’d
like your thoughts on the
deadline as one
of the few who’ve been a
die-hard longer than me……
I posted earlier
that I didn’t have a problem
w/not doing any
thing big given
the asking price
of some very ordinary players
BUT I really git to another
fork in the road
w/our FO watching what
the Indians got
for Kearns and Wood……
Not that either
are great BUT
wouldn’t it have been nice and sent a message to us and the players
that the FO was
trying to bring in a little help? And wouldn’t these
two have made sense?,especially given the price????
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-1:27pm at 1:27 pm (UTC -4)
Fongy, I’ve got no idea what is going on right now. All I keep reading is that Omar is an aggressive GM. Aggressive? I’m just not seeing it.
If he is…or was…is the problem now his hands are being tied? Is there a problem with payroll? Has Omar suddenly become gun shy and can’t pull the trigger for worrying over a few mistakes he’s made in the past?
I really have no idea but I’ve got my suspicions. I do know that if they don’t clean house from top to bottom in the off season I’m going to have way less optimism that 2011 won’t be any different than 2010.
oleosmirf
8/3/2010-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
Feliciano should bat 2nd I think. Thole is really struggling right now…
fongy2
8/3/2010-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
Great discussion as always folks….
BUT whats the point???….
We all know Omar’s coming back,
Jerry gets canned BUTa Bob Melvin
type comes in, so whats the diff???..
A few new Coaches most likely to include Teufel who’ll it will be said
“really knows our young players”….
No Crawford or Lee during the off-season, Beltran,Ollie&Castillo return,
a new arm or two in the BP, which the
FO will then tell us
“could have make the difference in
all the close games we lost”….
And we’ll be sold on a healthy Beltran,Ike and Thole a year older
and better and a solid 8th inning man
will make us a contender in 2011.
Oh, the refrain of losers…Why ’til
next year!
fongy2
8/3/2010-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
Errr….Or even “Wait ’til next
year”……….Or something…
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
From my perspective the point is this: the alternative is crickets and tumbleweeds. If we can’t have this (likely futile) discussion there’s really no discussion to be had and we might as well just hang a “Will Return…” sign on the front page of the blog then come back in November to discuss the one reactionary overpriced underwhelming free agent signing.
fongy2
8/3/2010-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
Damn shame that what I
felt was a somewhat surprising and fun season has turned to junk again in just a few weeks…Damn Shame!
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
On a much happier note. Season 2 of Eastbound & Down begins 9/26!
fongy2
8/3/2010-1:18pm at 1:18 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you Sir!!!
Didn’t know that…
Last I read was
sometime in October.
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
Our fellow Met fan -udontmesswthejohan- posted this link on a previous topic this morning:
http://www.bbtia.com/home/2010/8/2/hindsights-vol-2-so-long-jon.html
“Meanwhile in Queens, the Mets — with plenty of money and plenty of needs — were unable to do anything to make their club better. You can bet that Fred Wilpon is watching what the kid who grew up as a Mets fan is doing down here in Texas.
Omar Minaya has run his course in New York. Jon Daniels can become a free agent this winter. Do the math.â€
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Hiring this kid (well, 33 years old now I believe) would give me more faith and optimism that many of us haven’t had since 2006…..
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
Rangers GM right? interesting idea…
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-1:28pm at 1:28 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, current Rangers GM.
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-2:07pm at 2:07 pm (UTC -4)
But with the Rangers doing so well this season, I would think he’d get an extension.
oleosmirf
8/3/2010-3:12pm at 3:12 pm (UTC -4)
well the idea is that considering he grew up a Mets fan, he would choose the Mets over Texas.
unfortunately Omar’s job is 99.99% safe and sound…
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-3:30pm at 3:30 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe I’m reading it wrong but I got the impression with new management at the helm, he might find soon find himself unemployed.
Well…either way, we can dream, can’t we?
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-1:20pm at 1:20 pm (UTC -4)
It’s sad, but that’s exactly what’ll happen.
Omar has to go.
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
In the meantime lets all enjoy the Eva Mendes sex tape.
http://bit.ly/9426SK
fongy2
8/3/2010-1:10pm at 1:10 pm (UTC -4)
Cute.
ceetar
8/3/2010-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
Probably not work appropriate. She’s not my favorite anyway.
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-3:31pm at 3:31 pm (UTC -4)
I certainly understand why you would hesitate to click on that.
If this were “my” blog I would almost certainly put tasteless explicit stuff on it but because it’s not I would never do that. That link goes to a parody in which no one is nude or engaged in sexual activities – it’s actually a “tape” joke as in adhesive tape. It starts off scarily questionable but quickly turns into tape humor.
DNDJohan aka kistics
8/3/2010-1:17pm at 1:17 pm (UTC -4)
MF killing the Mets & the FO. What’s new?
But he makes sense…. sigh….
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
Per Adam Rubin – who takes numerous pot shots at the Mets in this post:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkmets/post/_/id/7908/in-depth-wally-will-make-too-much-sense
Still, as the New York Mets slipped to .500 on Monday night and dropped 7½ games behind the division-leading Atlanta Braves, it seems to be nearing a foregone conclusion that the Mets will have a new manager in 2011. And every day it appears more likely Wally Backman will be installed as Manuel’s successor.
****************
Ugh…..
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-1:39pm at 1:39 pm (UTC -4)
are you anti-wally?
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
Not anti Wally, per say…but he’s far from my first choice.
If he is the replacement, I don’t hate it enough to think the season’s sunk with him at the helm.
What bothers me about it being Wally is they’ll select him b/c he’ll come cheap, not b/c he’s one of the best candidates for the job. And that’s my heartache with it all. NY team, far from small market, and their first or most importatnt criteria for hiring a new manager is the cost????
oleosmirf
8/3/2010-2:20pm at 2:20 pm (UTC -4)
anyone who could put fire in this team is alright by me.
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-2:59pm at 2:59 pm (UTC -4)
So much for a change in the lineup. Tonight’s line-up:
Reyes
Pagan
Beltran
Wright
Davis
Thole
Franceour
Castillo
Dickey
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-3:33pm at 3:33 pm (UTC -4)
Sigh. So much for the talk about changes. At least with Thole in there, based more on his approach than his results, there is one less black hole at the bottom of the lineup.
tkfj2
8/3/2010-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
2 changes, FAILcouer bats 7th and Thole is in.
Nice to see we can hold people to their word in this organization.
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
Comment from an obvious Met fan on MLBTR:
I would rather a cardboard cutout of Ollie Perez take up that roster spot than the legend himself.
**********************************
I laughed right out loud.
Ugh…made the mistake of putting on WFAN just now only to hear MF ranting at some fan wanting to know why Jerry is still here. He went off on the fan asking what part of this total meltdown by the entire team is the manager’s fault?
Ugh…not saying it is all Jerry’s fault but anyone watching NY Met baseball knows what part of this is Jerry’s fault…..
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
8/3/2010 3:35pm – the moment that the break up the Mets core talk resumed on WFAN.
Mr North Jersey
8/3/2010-3:42pm at 3:42 pm (UTC -4)
I see Francesa echoes my earlier thought that now may be the time to trade Pagan.
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-3:43pm at 3:43 pm (UTC -4)
+1
I thought the very same thing as soon as I heard those words coming out of his mouth. I guess this is what we have to look forward to all off season….
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-3:39pm at 3:39 pm (UTC -4)
“Wright and Reyes have been here a long time now and the team has won nothing. It’s time to at least examine everything.”
prismo
8/3/2010-3:52pm at 3:52 pm (UTC -4)
Won nothing huh? 2006 was a fantastic season and the team was 1 game away from making the World Series.
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
MF: ‘The idea that either Reyes or Wright is untouchable is ludicrous. The team has won nothing with them. Except fail in ’06, choke in ’07, gag it in ’08.
He goes on to say that absolutely no one in the team should be untouchable. It’s time to start over.
The day MF announces his retirement is the day I’ll rejoice.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-4:02pm at 4:02 pm (UTC -4)
I’m sure his chair will as well. The local deli and diet coke sales people will weep for days.
Kingman 26
8/3/2010-8:07pm at 8:07 pm (UTC -4)
HAHAHA!!!!!!
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-4:07pm at 4:07 pm (UTC -4)
Francesa is a Yankee fan. To them not winning the World Series = winning nothing. Even if you are in it and lose it in 7 games.
njstuckintx
8/3/2010-3:59pm at 3:59 pm (UTC -4)
Missed 2 playoffs by a combined 2 games. break up the core!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-4:02pm at 4:02 pm (UTC -4)
MF goes on to say that Omar as a GM is an aggressive GM and there is no question he’s brought some trades to ownership that they’ve shot down b/c of financial reasons. ‘Unquestionably’ was his quote.
prismo
8/3/2010-4:07pm at 4:07 pm (UTC -4)
MF and Omar are also in cahoots. The whole Jason Bay revealing showed that without a doubt!
While MF may have a point that the Wilpons are in more control of Omar than they let on, that doesn’t excuse him from how the team performs. I also feel that I can’t blame Ollie or Castillo on the Wilpons – those terrible signings had to have been more Omar than Wilpon.
GravediggerHebner
8/3/2010-4:14pm at 4:14 pm (UTC -4)
Completely agree with you on who to blame for signing Ollie & Castillo but I will blame the Wilpons for giving a 4 year contract extension to Omar in Sept. 24, 2008 (after he gave Castillo that contract) and when the Mets were 1.5 games out with 5 games to go (finished 3 games out) a year after “the collapse.”
I admit a lot of my thinking is based on hindsight but it seems clear to me now that Omar was rewarded in Sept. 2008 for doing precisely what the Wilpons wanted him to do – give them meaningful games in September. I can’t help but note the irony that since then he has failed to deliver them even that.
metsfan4decades
8/3/2010-4:22pm at 4:22 pm (UTC -4)
The problem with Met fans is their loyalty, especially to Wright and Reyes.
‘They’ve been rotten big time players. They have no team glory.
Your team has done nothing but lose. I’m not saying to give them away but the way the team has performed, gagged it up in ’07, gagged it up in ’08, stunk the house up in ’09 and is fading fast in ’10…no one should be untouchable’.
Glory…is that all we need is glory? Ah…all this time I thought it was heart and grit.
What I wouldn’t give to see the Yankees tank going down the stretch and miss the playoffs. I’d tune into MF’s show every afternoon just to hear him have to ‘discuss’ that.
Go Rays! Go Boston! Go Twins!