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8/5/2010-3:08pm at 3:08 pm (UTC -4)
Congrats to Kirk I am happy to see his steady rise through the farm and I wish him continued success as he attempts to break the final barrier that stands in his way from making the Majors.
8/5/2010-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
I won’t pretend to know enough about Kirk to say whether this is a good or bad move. But my gut tells me this is too soon. He still has a terrible BB:K ratio and only a .337 OBP in AA.
I think it would be better to work on his pitch recognition/selection problems before pushing him so fast.
But then again, I don’t think the Mets value these skills very highly based upon their recent acquisitions of Francouer, Barajas and Jacobs.
8/5/2010-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
With Hojo as hitting coach, the only thing that truly matters is swinging early, often and hard.
Kirk possibly being rushed is not too big of a surprise though, even though the new head of player development said he wanted to slow down the progression of players through the minor leagues.
This new “philosophy”, totally opposite of Tony B’s philosophy which allowed 20 yr old Ruben Tejada to play in AAA and the MLB while the better prospect in Wilmer Flores is playing high A ball.
Does not look like much has changed.
8/5/2010-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
flores started in low A, and dominated to the point that he seemed bored. SO, he got promoted, and has been doing just fine!
8/5/2010-4:03pm at 4:03 pm (UTC -4)
At Flores age, I agree he should be where he is. My point of contention is the mishandling of Tejada.
8/5/2010-4:26pm at 4:26 pm (UTC -4)
tejada actually seemed to do fine, other than not being ready for the majors.
Turner should have had his spot.
actually, right now, he should probably be starting at 2B, for the mets.
8/5/2010-3:26pm at 3:26 pm (UTC -4)
CRAP!!!….Why is it EVERYTIME on
log onto this site, it’s only bad news
lately???!!!….The FO couldn’t have waited a week???…I got tix for the 3
game series next week down here against our Harrisburg Senators…..
One of the main reasons was to watch Capt. Kirk!!!….Bad enough I’m missing Josh Stinson’s turn in the
rotation…And now no Kirk……..
Omar sticks it to me again!…..
Oh, b/t/w……Sign Jose Guillen!!!!
8/5/2010-3:39pm at 3:39 pm (UTC -4)
Sign Cody Ransom!!!
8/5/2010-3:51pm at 3:51 pm (UTC -4)
I get it. The organization, in an attempt to deflect heat from the major league club’s failures, has re-focused attention on it’s well-publicized tendency to rush prospects. Good show!
8/5/2010-3:57pm at 3:57 pm (UTC -4)
To be fair to the Mets I said that in jest. I don’t pretend to know what is an appropriate or inappropriate time for a player to spend at a particular level and would like to think that it is a flexible thing.
For the record Kirk has had:
319 PAs at low A
547 PAs at high A
469 PAs at AA
8/5/2010-4:05pm at 4:05 pm (UTC -4)
isnt 1500 MiL PAs some kind of magic number for considering a guy “developed”? if so, he has about 180 more to go. So, if he can finish strong in AAA, by ST, he could be considered a viable option to win a job.
that, and it will give the mets a month or so read on how close he is.
8/5/2010-4:08pm at 4:08 pm (UTC -4)
He’s not a viable option for a MLB job until he cuts down on the minor league strikeouts. He’ll strikeout 165x a year or more in MLB at the current pace and that’s not acceptable for a guy with only moderate power.
8/5/2010-4:27pm at 4:27 pm (UTC -4)
I certainly agree with you in principle but I wonder if maybe times have changed on the concept of too many strikeouts.
2/3 of the way through the current season 19 players already have 100 or more strikeouts. Some of them of course are prolific power hitters including the top 2 in K’s Mark Reynolds (152) and Adam Dunn (131). But not all of these 19 guys are power hitters. Austin Jackson has 111 K’s and 1 HR as the extreme example.
In 2009 Cust had 25 HR and 185 K, Cameron 24 and 156, BJ Upton 11 and 152, Choo 20 and 151, Bourn 3 and 140 and of course David Wright 10 and 140.
I would hope for fewer K’s by these players but I fear that it’s just not stressed as important to them by the people responsible for doing so.
8/5/2010-4:31pm at 4:31 pm (UTC -4)
it does seem that Ks have lost much of their stigma (becoming “just another out”).
I think that K/BB rate is more important. If they are walking a lot too (especially relative to the # of Ks) that is a good indicator of success.
Dunn has always been a prime example of a high K/high BB guy.
8/5/2010-4:39pm at 4:39 pm (UTC -4)
For those most part — except for Upton as the most obvious example — these guys are generally good OBP guys despite the Ks.
If Kirk does not cut down the Ks it is unlikely he will be a good OBP guy. His OBP at AA was only in thye 330s.
Also all of these guys have some extreme skill that provides value enough to ignore the Ks — Dunn’s power, BJ’s defense, Bourn’s speed/defense, Reynolds’ power, etc.. I don’t think Kirk will be that dynamic type player unless he manages to get on base.
All indications are that he’s an adequate but athletic outfielder and has a David Dejesus type bat.
I just don’t see a player like him succeeding if his Ks keep him off the bases.
Lastly, some of these guys, i.e. Cust and Upton, are hardly in secure positions.
8/5/2010-5:10pm at 5:10 pm (UTC -4)
Didn’t you just say you wonâ€™t pretend to know enough about Kirk to say whether this is a good or bad move?
I ask only because now you seem to suggest you know enough about Kirk to say you donâ€™t think Kirk will be that dynamic (power/speed/defense) type player.
8/5/2010-5:22pm at 5:22 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know anything about his makeup/intelligence/work ethic, etc.
But I do know what the stats show about his measurables in terms of power and base stealing. And I do know what I’ve read from BA, Law, etc. on his defensive reputation.
Perhaps he’s the kind of guy who responds well to challenges like promotions.
8/5/2010-5:25pm at 5:25 pm (UTC -4)
Sounds like you know more than you initially lead on about Kirk N.
More than I that is for sure.
8/5/2010-4:28pm at 4:28 pm (UTC -4)
his K and BB rate has been trending the right way.
maybe they figure AAA will be a better place for him to make the adjustments.
8/5/2010-4:34pm at 4:34 pm (UTC -4)
His K rate is down slightly… but so too is his walk rate.
And his OBP is down tremendously this season compared to last.
8/5/2010-4:38pm at 4:38 pm (UTC -4)
hopefully as he becomes comfortable with hitting for more power, his patience will come back. Often the last thing to click.
8/5/2010-4:40pm at 4:40 pm (UTC -4)
I agree it is often the last thing a young hitter learns.
But I don’t think he’ll learn it if put on the super fast track.
some guys are worth exercising patience for.
as I expected when I saw the thread title, the usual bashing about mismanaging prospect development. If anything, this year they have been quite conservative.
It is also possible that this is a result of other moves pending (hoping for it to be involving the big club might be too much though).
THey do have an overflow of OFs having big years. Maybe this has more to do with rebalancing the PT among all the teams?
anyway, there is not that much of a difference between AA and AAA (it is nothing like the huge jump from A to AA). maybe a different type of pitcher (more old guys with experience, and fewer young, raw prospects). So, maybe the mets feel that he will develop better vs. AAA pitching? Or they want him to work with the AAA coaches? Or, based on all their knowledge and experience, they think he is now ready?
sometimes, you need to challenge (expose?) a young player to get them to fully recognize what they need to work on, or take seriously. Kind of like the wake up call F Mart got last year when he was called up!
or of course, it could just be another head scratcher move for the met FO.
But I am betting on corresponding moves t some point.
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