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Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-10:32am at 10:32 am (UTC -4)
5 of the 9 starters in today’s lineup started the season in AAA. Just WOW!
ceetar
8/8/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
Only Wright from opening day.
7/8 homegrown.
ceetar
8/8/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Adam Rubin continues his twitter spaminess. Well gee Adam, thanks for telling us what RF and LF mean in the lineup you just tweeted..
AdamRubinESPN : Fernando Martinez starts in left field, Angel Pagan in right field 1 minutes ago
AdamRubinESPN : Sunday lineup @ Philly: Reyes-SS, Pagan-RF, Beltran-CF, Wright-3B, Davis-1B, Martinez-LF, Thole-C, Tejada-2B, Dickey-RHP†2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
I replied to this already but I think his tweets coming a minute apart was him trying to correct what he perceived as a mistake.
ceetar
8/8/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
I suppose it’s possible.
ceetar
8/8/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
he’s just getting very spammy I’ve noticed.
metsfan4decades
8/8/2010-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
This recent tweet aside, I have to agree with Ceetar. ‘Snide’ is my description. He’s certainly starting to show his true feelings on all things Mets with his twitter feed lately…..
ceetar
8/8/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
and every onc in a while he dumps like 5-6 links into his twitter feed, which is just annoying to me.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
or maybe he just is calling a spade a spade.
oleosmirf
8/8/2010-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
+1
njstuckintx
8/8/2010-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
I call a spade a shovel.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
It usually is TX.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:11am at 11:11 am (UTC -4)
Sorry, I still think Omar was right on the money with how he treated Rubin.
100% right on the money.
Rubin wanted a job and was after it. And immediately took a different better job when he got it.
Another media jackass.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
How he treated Rubin?
You are not referring to that infamous press conference?
The one where Minaya let his personal feelings get the better of him in a public arena?
The one where the owners had to apologize twice for him?
The one that has had him on aleash when it comes to speaking to the media ever since.
That is what you are referring to that Minaya was right in treating Rubin?
wannybackstra
8/8/2010-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
I think he means the one in which Minaya attacked Rubin personally after Rubin, a newspaper reporter, reported an outrageous story about one of Minaya’s cronies which ultimately proved to have been accurate.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Yes sir.
Sorry, I am not a fan of today’s “gotcha” media, and while Bernazard was obviously a psycho who needed to go, Rubin was clearly after a Met job and motivated not by rectitude, but by getting a better job either with the Mets or with another media outlet. Which the publicity from his story quickly helped him get.
Rubin, Heyman, Olney, Rosenthal–all ridiculous people.
wannybackstra
8/8/2010-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
I have a hard time believing Rubin reported the Bernazard incident solely as part of his plan to get a job with the team or in retribution for not getting the job.
Any NY rag reporter would have ran with that story if they had the goods and there’s no evidence whatsoever that it was written vindictively.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Nah, It can’t be that.
Everyone knows Minaya embarrassed himself and the organization that day.
I have to believe it’s something else.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
Yeah Mr N, and let’s not take this too far and let’s respectfully agree to disagree, but while Omar may have embarrassed himself and the organization, to me it was somewhat understandable considering the circumstances and who was involved.
And again, Rubin is another reporter looking for publicity and a better job and more money—this is not some inner-city journalist exposing corruption or corporate misdeeds here. It was a guy 100% motivated by trying to better himself personally.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
Yup, that one!
Yeah, he may have overreacted.
Rubin was attacking a friend of Omar’s and Omar let his loyalty get the best of him in defending his friend.
And again, while Omar will never win awards for public speaking, I would venture to guess that every word he said about Rubin was correct.
Do you think that Rubin DID NOT try to get a front office job with the Mets? DO you think that Rubin DID NOT at the least write that story (true as it might have been) to try to get publicity for himself to get the job he has right now?
He was looking for a better job and wrote a tough story about the man whose job he was probably after!
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
King all I can say is if you believe what you just commented on then nothing I can say will be of any use bringing up. So I will leave that one alone for both our sakes.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
Let’s respectfully agree to disagree, as you have kindly helped teach me to do!
ceetar
8/8/2010-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
I agree with you on that. Omar may not have gone about it correctly, but I kinda like a guy that’s going to strike back, and just because it wasn’t the “proper” way to address it, doesn’t mean there wasn’t truth there. Isn’t it something we talk about with Mets pitchers and hitting guys? (Something I miss about Maine.)
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
Well Ceetar, we do not always agree, but I agree 100% with this.
And the Mets’ pitchers don’t even throw inside, as people point out often.
Baseball is not chess or school or a house of worship–it is an aggressive physical game and should be treated that way, as the 69 and 86 Mets–on and off the field; players and execs–certainly treated it.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
I’ll spare King cause he asked me to agree to disagree with him.
But addressing you Ceetar on the topic. That day by Minaya was a lose lose situation that will be used to teach people in how to handle media relations to never ever do.
The idea that there may be truth doesn’t make the incident forgivable.
It was a bad day for the organization and one I don’t care to ever witness again.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:58am at 11:58 am (UTC -4)
Mr N–first off, maybe you can tell that I certainly have taken your late June words to heart, so I have no desire here to get out of hand.
But, I respectfully ask as a slight alteration of the main topic here—what exactly do media relations have to do with respect from your underlings/employees and with winning?
George Steinbrenner has been lauded as the King of Owners since his passing, and overall he was a pretty good one. Has any owner ever had worse media relations and made more of an ass of himself more times to more people?
The Wilpons are button-down, never-embarrass-themselves types.
Doubleday was a bit of a loose cannon.
Who were the better owners?
I think the people under Omar–while perhaps not loving his choice of words–thought that “Here’s a guy who will stand up for me, even at the cost of damage to himself.”
Does this make a little sense?
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
Kingy again I will spare gettin into it with you.
I think the events of that day speak for themselves.
Like I said if you believe what you said in some of your earlier comments there is nothing I can say that will be of any use bringing up.
With all due respect to your desire of a slight alteration to the topic. I will choose to not go down that path with you.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-12:11pm at 12:11 pm (UTC -4)
And I will choose to respect that!
On to better things!
wannybackstra
8/8/2010-11:40am at 11:40 am (UTC -4)
the nerve of a reporter for writing a story that gets himself noticed. how strange and unusual.
and it is absolutely deplorable that a guy in the industry of “scoops” would try to scoop his way to a better position and life for himself and his family.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
Well, I do appreciate the sarcasm, but what should Omar have done, if indeed he knew that Rubin was after a Met front office job and then wrote a story like that about a friend of his??
“Oh, good work Adam; we know you are clearly concerned with the Met minor leaguers and the public’s perception of the team.”
Come on. If there is ONE time Omar was probably respected by the players and his underlings it was here.
And as for the Wilpons apologizing, when will they apologize for the WFAN lie-fest last year? For lowering payroll and taking on no players in 2010? For building a new stadium as a shrine to the old Dodgers and to corporate America? They have a lot more to apologize for than Omar sticking up for a friend under attack by a predatory journalist who most definitely had ulterior motives.
wannybackstra
8/8/2010-5:14pm at 5:14 pm (UTC -4)
what omar could have and should have done was never once mention the reporter’s name or hold it against him for doing his job or try to make it seem as if his friend was somehow less of a clown by trying to damage the reporter’s credibility.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
Not knowing the nature of his job I don’t know if there is a set quota he must meet of tweets or if he even hates having to use twitter so I don’t get to hung up on it. In fact most media tweet prob more than they should stupid info.
Why Rubin has to tweet the lineup I am sure must be JOB requirement. As every1 else that does in the media.
ceetar
8/8/2010-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Still annoying, whether it’s at ESPN or Rubin.
It’s not effective. Why would I read 5 articles in a row he posts links from earlier? Why would I wait for “story later” when half a dozen blogs are already discussing it?
This isn’t about what If i think Rubin’s a good beat writer or not, it’s a complaint about how the information is coming across. Sloppily.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
Again he may be using twitter based on guidelines set by the corporation called E.S.P.N.
Or he may just have no clue how to use twitter.
How Rubin uses tweets is something that means very little to me.
ceetar
8/8/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
maybe ESPN is the problem then. either way.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-12:01pm at 12:01 pm (UTC -4)
I agree with that too. ESPN still does some good reporting, but overall has become solely concerned with scandal and ratings, which was most definitely not what it was from its inception until the last 6-8 years, as almost all major journalistic outlets have turned to profit as their sole motivation.
wannybackstra
8/8/2010-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
I think Rubin just said that you are under no requirement to read his Tweets or to click through any of his links.
ceetar
8/8/2010-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
obviously..
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
That’s great, because I wouldn’t unless the 87,401 better things I can think of to do all of a sudden became unavailable.
wannybackstra
8/8/2010-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
Hey, I don’t even have an account and have never even visited the site. But listening to this guy complain about every entry makes you wonder why he doesn’t just click on something else.
ceetar
8/8/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
i hope you see the irony in this statement.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
LOL!
Well Wanny, I have often asked some of the people I most respect on here why they listen to Francesa if it aggravates them.
They could just pour hot wax in their ears and read the National Enquirer and have a more pleasant experience.
I am online all day due to my biz and I consider myself pretty up-to-date on things and the ONLY Twitter exposure I have is on this site.
Which is enough so far.
metsfan4decades
8/8/2010-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, I hear you Kingman on the Francesa point. I’m one of those ones guilty of sometimes tuning in knowing how much I’ll be aggravated all afternoon listening to his ‘pearls of wisdom’ on all things NY Mets. I can’t stand the guy on a good day, never mind now that the Yankees are raking and the Mets are tanking.
I draw the line on Steve Phillips though. As soon as I hear he’ll be on at any point in the broadcast, I can’t click it off fast enough…..
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-12:13pm at 12:13 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!
I guess you (and Rusty) might have recognized who I was referring to with this remark:
“I have often asked some of the people I most respect on here why they listen to Francesa if it aggravates them.”
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
7 of the 8 position players in Mets starting lineup today are home grown. 4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
matthewcerrone
http://twitter.com/matthewcerrone/statuses/20633189890
OK help me out how is Pagan home grown?
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
Absolutely homegrown my friend, with a detour to Chicago.
A Met draft pick in I think 1999, several years in the Mets’ minors, then went to the Cubs.
LOVE this lineup.
Maybe they will all suck, maybe they will evolve into Backman/Santana/HoJo/Mookie/Dykstra/Straw.
But we cannot tell unless they play!
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-11:14am at 11:14 am (UTC -4)
lol, I guess I reserve home grown as a player that came through our farm system all the way to the Majors.
Not a player that came through our farm system and went somewhere else to play mlb.
Kazmir for example I would not consider a home grown player if tomorrow we traded for him.
That just my slant I guess.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:20am at 11:20 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I figured with your knowledge you would probably know every word of what I wrote here!
And I guess I can see it both ways.
If we got Kazmir back to spend time on our disabled list and underachieve, I might think of him as homegrown, but can certainly see your point too.
But aside from that, the two things which can keep me most interested in the rest of this season no matter how the wins and losses go will be continued good starting pitching and good performances by the kids. Those two things, to me, will be what can give us hope for 2011. I don’t think there’s much of a chance of a Beltran/Pedro/KRod/Bay signing this coming offseason, so we must hope hard for what we’ve got.
whataputz
8/8/2010-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
I also take into account the fact that Pagan has never really made it for another team when calling him homegrown.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
That makes sense.
But along those lines, can we all agree to not consider Nelson Figueroa homegrown?
oleosmirf
8/8/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
lets hope Tejada and F-mart can make something of this 2 month audition…
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
Anything that increases their trade value will be great.
wannybackstra
8/8/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
If Bay comes back doesn’t Fernando’s audition terminate?
metsfan4decades
8/8/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
I’m starting to doubt we see Bay back in August at all and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t make it back at all this year.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
I think you are right.
I think he might very well like to take the rest of the year off.
He will be the clear whipping boy at every home loss.
ceetar
8/8/2010-12:09pm at 12:09 pm (UTC -4)
Be better if he came back and hit 5-10 home runs in September so he could start next year with the monkey off his back so to speak.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-12:14pm at 12:14 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe so, as I suppose Beltran’s face-smashing play may have done that for him at the end of 2005.
oleosmirf
8/8/2010-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
well lets say Bay returns Sept 1, Beltran is still struggling and F-Mart is playing very well, shouldn’t they keep Beltran out of the lineup to “rest” his knee and play F-Mart as much as possible.
The best case scenario is that F-Mart is so impressive that it forces Omar to actively pursue trading Beltran in the offseason.
whataputz
8/8/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
Maybe flip flop pagan and f-mart, get pagan more rbi ops? Thoughts….I still like the line-up.
ceetar
8/8/2010-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
This guy might as well write the articles for beat writers:
SurfingTheMets : Chris Carter in sport coat, despite casual dress code. “There’s nothing casual about a pennant race,” he said.
rustyjr
8/8/2010-11:33am at 11:33 am (UTC -4)
Wow that’s intense
metsfan4decades
8/8/2010-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
Hey, at least one Met, however much on the fringe, still thinks this is a pennant race….
ceetar
8/8/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
“Francoeur meets with Manuel for 15 minutes again Sunday. Asks for opportunities during upcoming week. They were laughing when door opened.”
I hope they were laughing at that request..
tkfj2
8/8/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
For being a so called “team player”, Francouer seems to bargain for a lot of playing time.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
Well, while I am in the large camp of people who like Frenchy and think he would be fun to hang around with, I also think he is what he is and will never get much better.
However, while I definitely do not want him and his OBP back, I can understand how, without a contract for next year, that he can see his next deal shrinking every day he sits.
oleosmirf
8/8/2010-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
the problem is they can’t release Frenchy right after they released Cora. That is 2 popular players flat out released in a short time period.
the solution is to trade him to KC or any team for that matter for a bag of balls.
metsfan4decades
8/8/2010-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
A couple of thoughts:
Jeff wants to play, can’t fault him for that.
He probably is working hard at trying to figure out his bat problems, can’t fault him for that.
Sounds like he still has confidence he can figure it out, can’t fault him for that.
If it wasn’t for Francoeur Atlanta sweeps us and we might not win last night.
I’m thinking he didn’t go in Jerry’s office demanding to play, but rather trying to guage his bosses mindset and maybe put in a good word for himself. Typical office politics that’s done on a daily basis.
That being said, I dont’ see any evidance he’s close to figuring out what his problem is at the plate. Not sure he ever will. But if he wants to be in the starting lineup more, he knows what that will take. Unfortunately for Jeff, that’s easier said than done…..
GravediggerHebner
8/8/2010-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
Regarding the whole Rubin/Omar press conference fiasco, however anyone feels about the way it went down, from my perspective it worked out marvelously well for almost all parties:
Rubin got out of the dying print media and into mega cross platform media conglomerate ESPN where he may be disdained but he isn’t likely to die a slow dinosaur death;
Bernazard got fired and Terry Collins hired. Collins immediately changed many of the ways the Mets operated their minor league system with one highlight being invigorating Buffalo strengthening what was a tenuous relationship;
Mets fans who would like to see Omar gone received a very public example of one of his flaws (public speaking especially under duress) that while not the straw that broke the camel’s back was undeniably a straw.
oleosmirf
8/8/2010-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
i could care less about his public speaking, its his baseball decisions that bother me…
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
So your saying Minaya should embarrass the organization more often?
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
I kid I kid
metsfan4decades
8/8/2010-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
If 2007, 2008 and 2009 was enough to do it, then I fear the only proverbial straw that will break the camels back as far as Omar is concerned is his contract coming to an end.
To me, the Wilpons are obviously very loyal to Minaya, for whatever reason. I’d even settle for them just reassigning him and bringing in another GM. I’m beginning to think that won’t happen anymore than outright letting him go will for the simple reason that it will cost the Wilpons money.
I can’t decide if Omar’s comments earlier this week in response to Philly taking on more payroll mid season and the Mets not, were once again a poor choice/explanation by Omar (given his track record in addressing the media) or the first hints that $$ or lack thereoff is really a consideration more than I thought it was…..
GravediggerHebner
8/8/2010-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
It’s cool that FMart and Tejada are up and are scheduled to be getting some noteworthy playing time but neither guy was exactly lighting up AAA.
I’m inclined to agree with Toby Hyde who if I’m understanding his stance correctly thinks that Lucas Duda and Justin Turner would’ve been better call ups at this juncture allowing FMart & Tejada more necessary MiLB seasoning.
ceetar
8/8/2010-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
reeks of throwing in the towel, but most fans seem to prefer this, which disturbs me slightly.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-12:37pm at 12:37 pm (UTC -4)
If they really wanted to win I continue to say that Ollie would be gone and Taka would be in pen with Misch or Gee in rotation since they dont wanna go outside for help.
This to me is more about decisions for 2011 than trying to win in 2010.
For me that is where my focus lies until proven otherwise.
metsfan4decades
8/8/2010-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
Couldn’t agree more. I think the FO HAS silently raised the white flag and FMart and Tejada up are nothing more than to showcase some abilities thereby making them better trade bait candidates.
Otherwise, if they thought we were still in this race, they have the tools available to call up those more likely to help.
GravediggerHebner
8/8/2010-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
I would take it a step further. I don’t think it reeks of throwing in the towel I think it _is_ throwing in the towel.
And I guess I will add to your disturbance when I state that while I think they could have gone about it differently in terms of specific move(s) made I believe emphasizing post-2010 for the balance of this season was the correct course. While not impossible, based on volumes of baseball history a Mets 2010 post season berth is highly improbable. Too many games out, too many teams ahead.
ceetar
8/8/2010-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
My thing is I thought some things could’ve been done a month ago that _would’ve_ helped.
Right now things are bleak, so why not assess for next year? You could argue that a little more of that last year may have put us in a better position for this one..
GravediggerHebner
8/8/2010-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
100% agree with your last sentence that is one of the criticisms of Manuel that I’ve agreed with and never felt was gratuitous.
prismo
8/8/2010-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
Well my only issue is that I don’t believe Tejada is starting 2B material. Sure, he has good defense, but has he ever shown a sign of above average offense? I don’t even think he was ever projected to have such offense. Seems like Rey Ordonez part II.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
Rey Ordonez part II if we have basically the same starting staff with a hopefully improved Pelf, if Bay and Beltran return to career norms, and if Minaya can somehow find 1-2 good arms for the middle of the pen?
Works for me.
prismo
8/8/2010-2:59pm at 2:59 pm (UTC -4)
So you’re okay with banking the 2011 season on Bay and Beltran? Uh-ohhhhhh.
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-4:31pm at 4:31 pm (UTC -4)
Not really–just trying to be realistic.
With the reduced payroll and no in-season moves, I cannot see another Bay or KRod or Johan contract coming in.
We are going to see the same team with a new manager/coaching staff, and I guess I think a very reliable glove at 2B could be useful.
Bay and Beltran are going nowhere.
Opening Day 2011:
Reyes–SS
Pagan–RF
Wright–3B
Beltran–CF
Ike–1B
Bay–LF
Thole–C
Tejada-2B
Johan–P
That is almost definitely what it is going to be, so I guess I am hoping rather than banking.
prismo
8/8/2010-5:50pm at 5:50 pm (UTC -4)
So you don’t think they’re going to sign any >$2MM free agents? That would mean payroll would decrease another $15-20MM or so (for the second season in a row). Getting into late 90s Orioles territory there.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
You think Duda was all about the whole clock thingy?
GravediggerHebner
8/8/2010-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
Either that or they just don’t view him as a cog either for the team in the future or as trade bait but I’m of course just guessing.
Hyde noted that Duda is not on the 40 man but could have been added due to Cora’s waiving.
Total speculation here but this could be yet another hint that Capt. Kirk is viewed as a cog and they’re saving a spot on the 40 man for him for September.
Mr North Jersey
8/8/2010-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
Now that puts a smile on my face.
Capt Kirk: Beam me up Minaya!
oleosmirf
8/8/2010-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
Duda is a 1B who moved to the OF b/c Ike Davis and Nick Evans were ahead of him on the depth chart. He is not a good OF at all and his power came from nowhere.
They just don’t see him as a legit prospect…
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
I disagree with some of this.
Tejada is a very smooth fielder, is very young, and really has improved offensively from level to level. I think they are seeing if he shows enough to be the 2B in 2011.
As for FMart, what, has he been around for a decade yet? Time to see if he can do anything, and for the last 50 games against just righties? Sure.
I think doing zero at the trade deadline was the (financially dictated) throwing in of the towel. I see these moves as looking ahead, which I think is realistic and I welcome it.
GravediggerHebner
8/8/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
FMart has been around for a long time but that’s because he was signed as a 16 year old. He’s young for his level and underwhelming. His OPS in over 250 PA this season is under .800 I think that demonstrates either he’s just not that good or he needs more seasoning and given other factors I choose to believe the latter.
Like FMart Tejada is young for his level and underwhelming. He did show offensive improvement from high A to AA but showed regression this year moving to AAA and those are the reasons I would’ve preferred he get more MiLB time. I think Prismo’s Ordonez comparison is apt and I think an Ordonez type at 2B is less necessary/useful than at SS.
I completely agree with you on welcoming looking ahead I just would’ve liked these 2 specific players to show more “down there” before coming “up here.”
Kingman 26
8/8/2010-1:16pm at 1:16 pm (UTC -4)
“I just would’ve liked these 2 specific players to show more ‘down there’ before coming ‘up here.’”
Could not agree more with this and with your usually excellent fact-based points.
But I very much think that we are not bringing in a big free agent this offseason or making a big trade, so I really am psyched to see what these guys can do.
But you are right–neither has lit things up offensively at AAA. But Tejada is still so very young.
oleosmirf
8/8/2010-2:06pm at 2:06 pm (UTC -4)
the problem is once you’re on the 40 man roster, you can’t come off it so lets say they call him up and next season he bats .240 in AAA you have a wasted spot on the 40 man roster.
no reason to call up Duda if they feel his numbers this season are flukey…