Aug 22
Nice article by Davis Waldstein of the New York Times on the Mets 2008 draft.
Here is something that stood out for me.
“Since 2006, the Mets rank 29th out of 30 teams in bonus money paid to draftees, with $20.6 million (the average for that period was $29.3 million). But in 2008, they spent slightly more lavishly, $6.46 million, which placed them 14th that year. “
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24 comments
TRS86
8/22/2010-8:52pm at 8:52 pm (UTC -4)
Nice article and I also saw where over the last 3 years the Mets have been around league average on spending on the draft. What was more interesting is that besides the Nats they have outspent every team in the NL East.
wannybackstra
8/22/2010-9:04pm at 9:04 pm (UTC -4)
i think they spent the least, or very close to it, of any team last year.
in any event, the mets are not in the league average income category.
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:14pm at 9:14 pm (UTC -4)
Point was that they are doing better over the course of those 3 years and are out spending the rest of the NL East. No they are not spending enough… just making a point that they seem to be getting better.
Mr North Jersey
8/22/2010-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
I am not well versed in mlb draft signings and bonuses or the whole over slot concept so I leave this conversation for more well versed people in this area.
What I took from the above quote from the article was that maybe the Mets draft success was the ability to sign said players because they spent more money than usual.
If this is true or not I can’t say. I mean if the Mets spent closer to the bottom of the pack as they had done in previous years according to the article would they still have signed the same players?
That is something maybe Metro could tackle. Hopefully using some source to explain his reasoning one way or another.
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:24pm at 9:24 pm (UTC -4)
Over the last 3 years the Mets are 9/16 in signing bonuses in the NL. My point though still was that they are 2nd in the NL East which I found surprising.
Mr North Jersey
8/22/2010-9:26pm at 9:26 pm (UTC -4)
It be nice maybe if you could show where you are pulling these numbers from. Since it seems you are saying they contradict what baseball america is saying.
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:27pm at 9:27 pm (UTC -4)
No they are not in contradiction. 2006 is not in the last 3 years, neither is 2007.
Link.
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
However, it does show I can’t read. It is sorted by 2010.
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:32pm at 9:32 pm (UTC -4)
Yet My 2nd statement, the one that I was more surprised with, still holds true. They have outspent the Phillies, Marlins and Braves.
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:33pm at 9:33 pm (UTC -4)
So to expand on that, there are only 4 teams that have spent less than the Mets over the last 3 years and 3 of the are in the NL East.
stickguy
8/22/2010-9:39pm at 9:39 pm (UTC -4)
it also makes sense that teams that win a lot spend less (since they don’t get a high pick), and you spend less when you forfeit 1st and 2nd round picks for signing FAs.
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
That does not really apply for the Marlins and Braves though. For the Phillies what it shows is that thoughts of now or never again. They have traded top prospects, signed big FA and spent little on the draft.
Mr North Jersey
8/22/2010-9:43pm at 9:43 pm (UTC -4)
Ok so basically Basbeall America says that over the last 3 years the Mets $14,315,500 ranks 26th out of 30 teams on draft bonuses.
Only the following teams spent less
$14,315,500 Mets
$13,900,300 Marlins
$13,897,900 Phillies
$13,417,100 braves
$12,772,300 White Sox
So over the last 3 years they rank 26th out of 30 which I guess it is an improvement from 29th out of 30 if you include 2006 and 2007.
Again am I missing something?
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:47pm at 9:47 pm (UTC -4)
I said I misread the chart. However, I am still surprised that 3 of the 4 teams below them are the in the NL East.
Yes it is an improvement that 2/3 years they were average in the NL.
Mr North Jersey
8/22/2010-9:51pm at 9:51 pm (UTC -4)
Yea by the team you realized your mistake I was already researching if what you said was accurate and writing my reply.
Only after I refreshed the page when I commented did I realize you was aware of your mistake.
Sorry
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:58pm at 9:58 pm (UTC -4)
No biggie. Again, do you find it surprising that 3/4 teams below the Mets were in the NL East?
I wonder what the connection there is?
Mr North Jersey
8/22/2010-10:03pm at 10:03 pm (UTC -4)
No not really just a coincidence I suppose.
TRS86
8/22/2010-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
Perhaps but that seems to be too convenient to be a coincidence.
wannybackstra
8/22/2010-9:07pm at 9:07 pm (UTC -4)
I hope the Mets stop the PR campaign on Kirk and Ratliff before the expectations they encourage force them into poor development decisions.
Right now both of those guys are whiff machines who shouldn’t be considered near ready prospects.
stickguy
8/22/2010-9:20pm at 9:20 pm (UTC -4)
ready at this point really does depend on how soon they get a handle on plate discipline.
Not that uncommon for Ks to go up when the power develops, but the guys that never add the OBP and cut down the Ks don’t usually go anywhere.
stickguy
8/22/2010-9:18pm at 9:18 pm (UTC -4)
2008 looks good.
too bad 2007 and 2009 were terrible.
stickguy
8/22/2010-9:32pm at 9:32 pm (UTC -4)
here is the numbers. as Real said, over 2008-2010, the mets spent more than the phils, braves or marlins. Obviously the Nats spent more (being the worst team in the league does get expensive).
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2928
TRS86
8/22/2010-9:40pm at 9:40 pm (UTC -4)
Well I had it partly correct. That is strange though that it seems to be an NL East issue.
TRS86
8/22/2010-10:00pm at 10:00 pm (UTC -4)
Can someone shut up Tony Dungy?