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by Mr North Jersey
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8/24/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Well, the GDP are down, but I guess that happens when your K’s are up by 150…
8/24/2010-9:42am at 9:42 am (UTC -4)
I made the point yesterday that one of the reasons Manuel and Hojo need to be put out to pasture is that the offense is under performing even last year. Manuel excels at getting the least out of his players.
I’ll still be there tonight though.
8/24/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
“Manuel excels at getting the least out of his players.”
And Dirty is right, there is no way they can justify bringing jerry or hojo back. Even the tone deaf Met FO (which is odd, considering how sensitive they supposedly are to the Media) must have figured that out by now.
Too bad they didn’t make the statement already, even if it meant going the interim route. But, as long as it happens immediately after the season (closely followed by Omar being shuffled off the the DR), it will still be good.
8/24/2010-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
I suspect the front office has realized that nothing they can say is going to abate anyone. So they’re better off just going with the plan they (seem) to have set in motion. Play crappy minor leaguers in hopes they show you something .(I can’t tell if Manuel is falling in line with the plan or just bitterly hates Castillo anyway. maybe both)
Sometimes saying things just make it worse. Look at Barajas. people killed them for promoting him, but they were just doing it to pass him along to the Dodgers. They save a penny or so, but hey, a penny saved is a penny earned right? It didn’t even likely cost Thole more than a start, if that. They couldn’t come out and say “we’re trading him” as someone non-LA may have claimed him. They didn’t feel us stupid lines like “Barajas needs to get going” or “He really helps our pitching staff” or anything like that.
The only failing here is that they haven’t addressed the players, leaving them in limbo too. But not a lot needs to be said. the actions speak.
8/24/2010-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
The Mets what they had to do was just release Barajas.
It is the thought process behind why they are doing things that continue to make me concerned.
They got very little from adding Barajas to roster (nothing at all if you believe the rumors that the cash considerations was that they just didn’t have to pay his remaining salary) but somehow in their minds adding Barajas was a smart move and the way to go.
It is no wonder then that we also have Ollie wasting away on the roster. The Barajas situation was thankfully a short one but it emphasizes the overall problem with the decision making of the club.
8/24/2010-11:03am at 11:03 am (UTC -4)
I disagree. I think promoting Barajas and starting him once was a requirement for LA taking him.
Ollie being on the roster confuses me, particularly the early promotion. Unless they’d already given up by then. I don’t really care about the roster size thing, since Manuel can’t count to 25 anyway. (He didn’t use Dessens for two weeks either, voluntarily, so it’s not like we were ever at a point where “oops, if we’d promoting someone else instead of Perez, he’d have been used”) It may be an internal disagreement that will be ironed out via changes in the offseason. Releasing Perez, particularly at this point, serves no constructive purpose.
8/24/2010-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
I hear you Ceetar but I respectfully disagree.
8/24/2010-11:40am at 11:40 am (UTC -4)
I disagree with your last statement.
Perez is not a part of the plan going forward. He’ll be lucky to take the mound at all the rest of this year.
He should have been released weeks ago. That way, we could have brought up another guy from the minors to get longer look-see, whether a position player or arm.
Whatever the internal mindset is on Perez, I feel they missed the boat completely. The money is a sunk cost and I don’t care if they release him and he produces for another team on the Mets dime.
8/24/2010-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
That’s too emotional a response though. There isn’t a rush of almost ready minor league pitchers that need the spot. (and Misch and Niese (innings) can certainly vacate as well)
It’s a sunk cost for this year, but it’s a sunk season. Next year Perez could have value. he could build his body back up to what he was before the injury. or to some semblance of that. You lose nothing by having him start, but you may gain a million dollars if you convince someone to take him next year if you pay 11million of it. or maybe they only have to pay 10million. or maybe we get a gutshot prospect/minorleague fodder out of it.
If he comes back and is throwing 91 in Spring Training and striking out guys at his career rate, _someone_ will be willing to take a flyer on him for a couple million. particularly if someone gets hurt in their camp, which is possible.
8/24/2010-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
While I want him gone as of yesterday, Ceet makes a good point here. And at this point, you’re less than 2 weeks away from expanded rosters and at that point, the roster spot won’t matter.
And you almost hate to have some impressionable kid coming up to take Ollie’s spot, only to be mismanaged and have his confidence crushed.
8/24/2010-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
TX, so I can better understand your not suggesting that if you wait to bring a kid up after 2 weeks as opposed to before 2 weeks that Jerry will somehow only mismanage him and crush his confidence if he is brought up before 2 weeks right?
8/24/2010-12:16pm at 12:16 pm (UTC -4)
“It’s a sunk cost for this year, but it’s a sunk season. Next year Perez could have value. he could build his body back up to what he was before the injury. or to some semblance of that. You lose nothing by having him start, but you may gain a million dollars if you convince someone to take him next year if you pay 11million of it. or maybe they only have to pay 10million. or maybe we get a gutshot prospect/minorleague fodder out of it.
If he comes back and is throwing 91 in Spring Training and striking out guys at his career rate, _someone_ will be willing to take a flyer on him for a couple million. particularly if someone gets hurt in their camp, which is possible.”
Yeah, and this could have been written word for word a year ago.
He will NEVER throw in the 90s again, he is useless mentally and physically, and frankly should be treated as a horse with a broken leg is at this point.
8/24/2010-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
That second paragraph o’ mine was more a general statement about bringing kids up in general with the “General” in command. Wasn’t specifically in relation to the 2 week period before expanded rosters. I was mixing points, as work was on my brain (imagine that!).
point #1 – it’s 2 weeks, at this point isn’t going to kill the mets and after that kids would be up and can be utilized.
point #2 – I pity the kid (sid in mr. T voice) that goes through the learning curve with a dead man bunting, err, walking in control of the team (Jerry)
8/24/2010-12:25pm at 12:25 pm (UTC -4)
Thx for expanding TX.
8/24/2010-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
it’s not even 2 weeks. it’s 8 games. And they’ve got some flexibility there, as they could send someone down for a ‘fresh’ arm if they wanted, only to recall them next Wednesday. I understand if anyone wants to argue that they should’ve just cut Ollie in mid-July when he showed no improvement in the minors and tried to win, but as we approach the point of the season where he’ll have zero impact, there is nothing to lose in trying to rehabilitate him one last time before games matter again 7 months from now.
8/24/2010-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
jeez jerz lol
There is no justifiable way to keep manuel or hojo here next year…
8/24/2010-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
8/24/2010-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
I am with ceetar that at this point (reached a couple of weeks ago) they might as well keep Ollie. Releasing him now and getting nothing, not even any salary relief, makes no sense. Just hang onto him. Some team will actually bite most likely in the off season.
and as noted, jerry buries other pen guys for weeks at a time too, so while having him on the roster might have offended some fans, it seems to have had very little real impact on the outcome of the games.
Not like there was really a dominant BP arm being blocked int heminors.
But, you could certainly have made the case not to ever activate him, but once he was here and the mets hit the skids to .500ville, then might as well ride it out until the end of the year.
8/24/2010-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
The attempt to justify that it was somehow OK to have Ollie a starter just sit in the pen because Manuel would do the same with whomever Ollie was replaced with is sad stick.
Ollie sitting in the pen getting paid $12M a year to do so will go down as the poster child whenever anyone looks back on this season in the years to come.
8/24/2010-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
My point was he should have been released weeks and weeks ago.
They didn’t, they preferred to pay him not to pitch and take up a roster spot.
Releasing him now is a different argument all together – although I would still like to see it.
I’m with Mr. Jerz on this one. It’s about the money and it’s always been about the money.
8/24/2010-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
From these charts I see runs are down, OBP is down, but HR are up. So I guess if anyone sweated last season’s lack of HR this shows how little they matter in the grand scheme.
8/24/2010-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
My 2 cents on how Barajas was handled is, as often is the case, subtle.
My preference was that they simply release him. But I preferred that because I wanted them to keep FMart on the roster. But I preferred they keep FMart on the roster because I wanted him to play everyday. Which wasn’t happening.
So given that the roster was being used in a way I didn’t care for much anyway I can’t get too upset about Barajas being recalled before being sent away except to say I thought it was just another in a long series of examples of poor roster management in any number of ways by both the field manager and the general manager.
8/24/2010-1:47pm at 1:47 pm (UTC -4)
so..anyone want a free ticket to tonight’s game?
8/24/2010-1:54pm at 1:54 pm (UTC -4)
Mets hitting with
8/24/2010-2:06pm at 2:06 pm (UTC -4)
I hope the Knogman notices his BFF the Animal up there at #2!
8/24/2010-2:04pm at 2:04 pm (UTC -4)
An interesting perspective on the state of the Mets, and the sotry of Jerry. never really thought of it like this, but makes sense.
One thing that bugs me though is referring to the team at the moment as in a “death Siral”. I think that is going a bit too far.
Right now, the team is at .500 exactly (38 left to play, or just under 1/4 of the season). But, some of the hyerbole tossed around (death spiral, worst met season ever, pitiful, etc.) makes it sound like they are duking it out with the Pirates at 40-80 or so.
Going from even a .500 team to a contender is not that big of a leap (going from 55 wins to 90 is).
and, the Mets can’t possibliy hit this bad the rest of the year, can they? Gotta figure at least a few guys will be due for some kind of hot streak.
No, I do not expect them to pull a miracle Rockies-like finish. But, certainly they could stabalize a bit, and finish say playing .550 ball (21-17) or .600 (23-15). That leaves them at 83-85 wins. Not that far off of the years they missed by 1 game, and not a very big leap to 89-90 wins next year.
I just don’t fully buy into the concept that we are in the middle of the next dark ages, or that there is no hope for the future for years to come.
a couple of new bats (replacing frnechy and slappy, 2 of the worst hitters in the NL), and a solid 5th SP, and yeah, this team can easily be 5-8 wins better than this year. And that puts them in the playoff hunt.
Hell, just a real manager could be worth 3-4 wins by himself!
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