Mets lineup at Wrigley: Pagan cf. Duda lf. Carter rf. Wright. Davis. Arias 2b. Thole. Tejada. Dickey.
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27 comments
stickguy
9/3/2010-12:38pm at 12:38 pm (UTC -4)
jerry really does amuse me. Carter 3rd? Arias again? GGet turner up here please. Next!
I am proud of him though, giving Duda another start. I figured in Jerry gut logic, no hits in his firsst 2 games would be enough to get him buried on the bench for at least a week. maybe more.
TRS86
9/3/2010-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
What’s wrong with Jerry playing Arias? Yeah he has not been very good but neither has Tejada. I am fine with seeing if he can be a Cora type player for the next month.
tkfj2
9/3/2010-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
I guess you don’t see the hilariousness of Joaquin fargin Arias batting 6th. 6th!, 6th? Ahead of Josh Thole? This is like batting Castillo or Tejada 6th. Its just more blind lineup construction by Jerry.
Also I hope you mean Arias becomes and Alex Cora of 5 years ago and not the present day Alex Cora.
If I were to make the lineup….Pagan,Thole,Wright,Carter,Davis,Duda, Arias, Tejada, Dickey.
metsfan4decades
9/3/2010-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
Except that’s some black hole in the bottom of the lineup.
Problem is, we don’t have enough players that are hitting well with any kind of consistently to field an offensive threat of any kind.
TRS86
9/3/2010-1:07pm at 1:07 pm (UTC -4)
His comment was Arias again, not Arias in the 6 spot. No matter where this group bats it will be bad because it has a lot of bad hitters in it.
tkfj2
9/3/2010-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
Eh…I guess so. No point in arguing over a lost cause.
TRS86
9/3/2010-12:45pm at 12:45 pm (UTC -4)
5. Ike Davis 1B
6. Joaquin Arias 2B
7. Josh Thole C
8. Ruben Tejada SS
What dreams are made of.
metsfan4decades
9/3/2010-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
Good to see Pagan back in there.
I guess Reyes is M.I.A. yet again.
Line up #135
Prismo
9/3/2010-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
Our magic number.
GravediggerHebner
9/3/2010-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
The thing I like about this lineup is that there is no player in it about whom I feel: “You suck and you have no future in any capacity with this team and I never want to see you again.”
So it has that going for it.
Prismo
9/3/2010-1:05pm at 1:05 pm (UTC -4)
Really? I would say that about Arias and Tejada probably.
tkfj2
9/3/2010-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe just Arias. Tejada is only 20 and could become a serviceable backup.
Prismo
9/3/2010-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
Tejada’s .485 OPS makes Castillo look like Pujols. And I’ve seen worse sample sizes than 179 PA. He can improve a ton and still be well below average at the plate!
TRS86
9/3/2010-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
I can’t hate on Arias yet. I have not seen enough of him to know. Yeah he’s got a poor track record but I see no reason not to give him a chance for a few weeks.
Prismo
9/3/2010-1:10pm at 1:10 pm (UTC -4)
He’s a scrub.
GravediggerHebner
9/3/2010-1:11pm at 1:11 pm (UTC -4)
Arias could perhaps, long shot I admit, be in the infield mix for this team in 2011. Mostly regarding Arias I’m just happy I don’t have to look at SlapGimp today.
IMO Arias right now has the same potential that Jeff Francoeur did when the Mets acquired him. He’s 25, has sucked, but is still young enough that maybe, just maybe, he can get it going in the right direction, but this is his last shot (in my eyes). Obviously Francoeur did not work out and Arias likely won’t either but I’m willing to give him a shot. I already know what Castillo can’t do.
Ceetar
9/3/2010-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
Castillo’s a better player than both of them. Season’s over, but if you’re serious (Jerry doesn’t think, nor does he need to, about things like this) about upgrading there in the offseason, then you should play Castillo so that he shows, and he probably will, that he’s still very capable of putting up a .350+ OBP and scoring runs and working counts and the like.
TRS86
9/3/2010-1:21pm at 1:21 pm (UTC -4)
Castillo is not going to hit well enough over the last month to warrant anyone trading for him. If we are able to unload him in a salary dump his performance for the next month will make little difference in the amount we have to ship the other way.
GravediggerHebner
9/3/2010-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
Fair point but I see it as if I’m interested in upgrading the position for next year I need to see firsthand what I have in house and I already know Castillo’s strengths and limitations, I’ve seen them up close for over 3 years now, so I need to get a closer look at those of the other guys.
If I play Castillo to enhance his value I simultaneously am unable to fill a portfolio on the other guys. Castillo is not going to bring much return in a trade anyway I hardly see how a good September will change that in any significant way.
Plus to me the absolute worst case scenario is Castillo has some sort of September renaissance so they simply keep him and subject us to another season of, well, that. That being one of the least productive overall 2B in the major leagues factoring in offense and defense.
Ceetar
9/3/2010-1:33pm at 1:33 pm (UTC -4)
I think we’ve seen enough out of Tejada to the point that even if he hit .370 over the rest of Sept I wouldn’t want him as the starter. As it pertains to 2011, I don’t think the Mets have an inhouse option better than Castillo. Someone may be willing to take Castillo, since he’s not making that much, especially if we can reaffirm through play that this season was mostly a result of the bone bruise and being mishandled. I think 100AB from Castillo to return to form is much more valuable an evaluation that what you’d see from a rookie.
I just don’t see Tejada or Arias in the plans for next year. Maybe Turner or something else..maybe.. but for the most part, you’ll have all of next year to evaluate these guys. I don’t believe them to be in contention for jobs for 2011.
wannybackstra
9/3/2010-1:39pm at 1:39 pm (UTC -4)
If Castillo does play well the rest of the season, the sample size won’t be large enough for people to ignore the rest of his pitiful season — it’s the same argument in reverse of yours against Tejada. Only Tejada playing better could be an indication that perhaps he has learned and adjusted and gained confidence.
Even at his best, Luis is unattractive because he’s become a statue in the field and needs to hit the ball twice to get it to the outfield.
Ceetar
9/3/2010-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
Castillo hitting .300 would be a small sample size, but he has a dozen years prior to that to fall back on. It would show that he’s still capable of that. Tejada doing the same could be a result of him suddenly adjusting, or it could simply be bad pitching, some luck, and is not something that you can count on carrying over.
Castillo is not really a statue as people make him out to be, and he’s got two plus defenders to his sides that made the range of the 2B less important.
The Mets 2B situation will not change, but the marketability of Castillo, even if it’s only a million bucks less we have to pay, definitely increases if he has a normal september and raises the numbers.
wannybackstra
9/3/2010-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
Castillo may have been a consistent .300 hitter in the past. But it’s now 2 out of the last 3 years that he has been far from it which makes last season look like the outlier.
Do you know that in the last three seasons, which includes last season his slugging percentage is .316? a .316 slugging percentage!!!!
And as far as his defense goes his UZR was negative by more than 10 points in 2008 and 2009. That seems to support just about everyone else’s objective observation of his defense; including Jerry Manuel’s.
wannybackstra
9/3/2010-1:40pm at 1:40 pm (UTC -4)
The strangest part about this lineup is that it has a power hitter batting second and no one with any power hitting 6-8. Meanwhile, the seventh hitter has shown signs of being an excellent on base type player with enough patience to give Pagan the green light.
njstuckintx
9/3/2010-4:26pm at 4:26 pm (UTC -4)
Can someone explain to me the purpose of playing Carter for 1/2 a game? 2 ABs and then out? I can’t see the game but can check the box scores. I hope he was hurt or something, cause if this is Jerry’s attempt at managing, we already know he’s poor at it. No need to constantly remind us.
stickguy
9/3/2010-5:05pm at 5:05 pm (UTC -4)
jerry over managing, PH for carter in the 6th inning of a tie game.
njstuckintx
9/3/2010-5:27pm at 5:27 pm (UTC -4)
isn’t hitting supposed to be Carter’s strength? Uff Da…