Through the past forty-eight seasons of this teams existence , we Mets fans have seen our share of baseball. Most of the time the team has been poor to mediocre, with some good to outstanding seasons sprinkled in for good measure.
But during these years – whether the team was really good or god awful , we have always had a non superstar player that we would gravitate to. During the ’60′s it were players such as Marv Throneberry and Ron Swoboda. In the ’70′s it was George Theodore and Lee Mazzilli. In The ’80′s there was Dave Magadan and Joel Youngblood. The ’90′s had Joe McEwing and Matt Franco. And this past decade was Endy Chavez and Omir Santos (last years grand slam off of the Boston Red sox will always reverberate in Mets lore).
In the case of one Robert Allen Dickey we can make a very good argument that he should be considered in the near future a all time fan favorite Met. He came out of darkness of obscurity to the blinding white hot spotlights of New York City and railed off six straight victories before earning his first loss. He has shown a cunning and guile that most pitchers lack. He is a fighter. Case in point the game against the Los Angeles Dodgers where he tweaked his knee. He fought Jerry Manuel tooth and nail before finally walking off the mound. He has thrown tow one hitters this season – one in the minors and one for the Mets. When he talks in his pregame and post game interviews he shows introspective, intellectual mindset that seems to be lacking with most athletes these days. He is the essential everyman who has fought for everything he has, which compels us to root hard for him whenever he takes the mound. Will he or can he either match or improve on this breakout season ? Only time will tell. But R.A Dickey will forever be known as a New York Met and for us Mets fans, he is a hero .
” One of the bright spots of a disappointing season”
And with that said… HERE COMES THE INFAMY !!!
Happy 48th Birthday Dave Magadan (1962) !!! You will always be known as the player who should have been Keith Hernandez’s heir apparent to first base ! He currently is the hitting coach for the Boston Red Sox.
Middle reliever from the ’97 team,Yorkis Perez is 43 (1967).
Today would have been pitcher, José Lima’s 38th birthday (1972) .
New York Mets signed free agent pitcher,Nino Espinosa on September 30, 1970.
New York Mets released reserve outfielder,Jerry Martin on September 30, 1984.
Backup catcher,Raul Casanova granted free agency on September 30, 2008.
Mo Vaughn was the only paid person in attendance for last nights game.
And yes the end is almost near !! That’s right , there are just four games left before Jerry Manuel becomes the ex-manager of the Mets !!!
78 comments
Ceetar
9/30/2010-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Go ahead, try to name one free agent pitcher Omar could’ve gotten that did better than Dickey.
TRS86
9/30/2010-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
True, but lets not give Omar too much credit with that one. The guy started the season in AAA.
Ceetar
9/30/2010-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
Well, it’s about results right?
Signings that seemed okay or good that failed count against him, why shouldn’t ones that were ignored not count for him?
It’s not like he ran down a list of unsigned pitchers and just picked one. They did scout and analyze Dickey before picking him. And that process worked, so shouldn’t he get credit for a process that seems to have some benefits? (Although I guess this falls under the “We wouldn’t mind Omar in a player evaluation role” camp)
TRS86
9/30/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
Sure he can get credit in the shot in the dark column. I will give him that. He has done that before. However, I can’t give him much credit for actually even having a thought that he would be a reliable force.
Ceetar
9/30/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Just like Omar gets lucky sometimes, he also gets unlucky sometimes. It’s important to figure out what is luck, what is talent, and what is ineptitude and weight them against each other.
TRS86
9/30/2010-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
You think that the Castillo and Perez signings were unlucky?
Prismo
9/30/2010-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
Resigning Castillo wasn’t a bad idea, but he got paid too much and for too many years. Why sign a guy with knees that are already starting to break down to a long-term deal? Answer: not unlucky
Probably around 80% of the fanbase was adamantly against signing Perez. Many, like me, would have rather made no big signings after the Braves took Lowe. Answer: not unlucky
(Now, if he signed Lowe for his original offer and then he stunk like he did on the Braves, I’d call that unlucky. And Bay stinking is unlucky)
Ceetar
9/30/2010-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
There was definitely some luck involved there. Perez was injured all of 2009 and pitched well below his career norms. I’m not sure anyone would’ve predicted that out of a healthy pitcher.
Castillo the same way. This season was mostly the result of that bone bruise. If you look at his 2008 babip (which supposedly measures luck) it was WAY below his career norm.
These were still bad contracts (and I’d say the Castillo one more so) But they weren’t as horribly bad as they’ve come to be.
So if you’re going to judge Perez on the completely useless contract he’s been as completely useless, you gotta give credit for Dickey the same way.
TRS86
9/30/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
I am not judging Omar on the fact of how useless Ollie has became no one expected that. However, to sign someone like Ollie to 3 years and big cash is risky. Period. If you are taking a risk like that and it fails is it still luck?
You know I defend Omar a lot but I can’t see giving him much more credit than a blind squirrel with Dickey. Sorry.
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Can’t we have a day of postings without Perez or Castillo?
Prismo
9/30/2010-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
Sure, as soon as they stop being 13% of the Mets’ 2011 payroll.
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
So sign someone STAT and drop them to 12% o’ the payroll.
Prismo
9/30/2010-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
Surely Ceetar, but let’s not forget his failings as well.
The odds may just be that if you sign 15 seemingly washed up players and give them all a shot in the bigs, 1-2 will surprise you and play good baseball.
Ceetar
9/30/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
This seemed to be the 2008 LF philosophy. It failed. (although maybe not, as Pagan was one of those guys..he just got hurt)
I’m not ruling out his failures. It’s just somethign to think about. He _did_ make the best SP pick up he could’ve. It’s not like he was lucky enough to find a serviceable guy that kept them in games. he’s one of the top pitchers, ERA-wise, in the NL.
Prismo
9/30/2010-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
I understand where you’re coming from. It was also the 1B philosophy coming into the 2010 season.
And I agree that Omar has *some* scouting talent. But he’s made some terribly boneheaded analysis as well. Did he really think Mike Jacobs was an answer at 1B? He’s terrible!!! Or that GMJ would succeed in the OF, even as a 4th? I mean…come on.
But like Isiah Thomas, I want him nowhere near my team regardless. He had his time, he failed (even if the Wilpons were a large part of that). Time to move on.
Ceetar
9/30/2010-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
I disagree on that. I think Jacobs was not going to make the team until Murphy got home literally the weekend before the season started. I think they figured Jacobs as a possible guy to hold down the fort maybe if Murphy could return in 15 days, but as it grew unlikely they went pretty quickly to Ike all things considered.
GMJ wouldn’t have been a horrible 4th guy, if Bay, Pagan, and I know he sucks but Frenchy playing every day. He would’ve gotten very little AB. and at the time we were still kinda hoping for Beltran by like May 15th. (not that hope is a valid justification) but Manuel overplayed both guys. and batted them in the wrong positions in the batting order, exposing them further.
Prismo
9/30/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Aside: would you want Omar to remain as GM?
Ceetar
9/30/2010-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
Personally i’m leaning towards no. But I’m not adamant about it. I’m not comfortable with how much I don’t know about what goes on behind the scenes and who else might be contributing to the things I don’t like.
I don’t think I want him reassigned though. If we go with change, go with change and fire him. We don’t need more voices, we need better ones.
Prismo
9/30/2010-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
OK, cool. I can’t argue with any of that.
But at the end of the day, his job as GM was to build a playoff team. They haven’t made the playoffs in several years.
To me, that’s all it takes to get fired.
Ceetar
9/30/2010-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
I agree on that, results.
However, Just firing him doesn’t fix the problem. It’s about who will get them there next year and going forward. I don’t know if that rules out Omar. Probably, but you never know.
Ceetar
9/30/2010-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Also, I don’t like the Isaiah comparisons. That guy was a disaster and an embarrassment. (not that I care) And he probably handicapped the team more than Omar has, although it’s easier with a salary cap and tradable picks to do so.
CaseStreet
9/30/2010-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
Which of the starting five should Dickey have replaced? Other than Niese, the rest of the rotation were locks to be on the team.
TRS86
9/30/2010-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
I agree Case. This is one thing I bring up when people slam Omar for not signing another pitcher and how much of a difference it would have made. I say that impact is much less because regardless of who we signed Maine and Perez would have still gotten their starts and would have still struggled and would have still had to be replaced with the options that they were replaced with. If anything it would have equaled less starts for Dickey.
CaseStreet
9/30/2010-9:45am at 9:45 am (UTC -4)
Funny how R.A. wasn’t on anyone’s radar when we were having the Marquis vs. Figueroa discussions. Steve “Douchebag” Phillips thinks Dickey should be a 6th starter, but Dickey has shown to be a valuable part of the rotation. Whatever happens to Omar, I sure hope he stays on to find more guys like Dickey.
TRS86
9/30/2010-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
I missed Stevo and his 6th starter thing.
CaseStreet
9/30/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
It was on the 21st with Mike F.
http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dV/dM/dM/dV/VMMV_3.MP3?authtok=5561260537682487087_en1Oqh2Vs0W46pqtcuOeIhYD0Y
CaseStreet
9/30/2010-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
sorry, that’s not it. Though this article sums it up:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=tsn-formermetsgmstevephillips20100817
TRS86
9/30/2010-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
While it may happen, I am laughing at “leaks” that Omar and Jerry will be fired on Monday or sometime next week. I could say the same thing and likely be right. However, there is NO way that a Mets employee is leaking that information. None.
Ceetar
9/30/2010-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
I agree. but this is the media these days.
Just like when Heyman reports a team and a player are “getting closer”. Likely all it means is that they’re still talking and haven’t walked away. It’s an educated guess to draw attention/hits.
TRS86
9/30/2010-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
Something to think about with Dickey. If he had made a customary 33 starts he would have pitched 220 innings. That can be our workhorse next year. I expect if healthy Dickey, Pelf and Niese to all log 200 innings. If that happens I still think with the right moves we can compete.
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
What constitutes the “right moves”? Trading some kids for a Garza/Shields type? Because if they don’t get 2 SPs, it’s going to be a long season of me hoping they win and seeing them finish 5-6 games over .500, based on the O coming around, the D being about the same and the P taking some steps back.
CaseStreet
9/30/2010-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
SP – I wouldn’t go after Lee. Vazquez shouldn’t cost too much after his poor season. He’s an innings eater who has shown he can pitch in the NL. He just needs to find the strike zone again.
RP – Rafael Soriano or sign Putz and re-sign Takahashi to compete for the closers job.
That’s it.
stickguy
9/30/2010-10:49am at 10:49 am (UTC -4)
I still don’t understand linking shields/garza like they are the same guy. Other than both being on tampa bay, vastly different talent level (and likely cost). Like saying the phils have hamels/kendrick (same age, both SPs).
anyway, yes, some prospects for a Garza type would be perfect move. Young, under control for a while, and talented. Gonna cost ya, but it is what they need.
Any P moves whould be with a multi year horizon, but not signing old guys to crazy long contracts.
I don’t think the pitching is certain to regress to any large extent. And the O coming around whould make up a lot more than 3-4 wins (meaning 5-6 games over .500 should be more of the floor than the ceiling). But, all MHO of course
TRS86
9/30/2010-11:14am at 11:14 am (UTC -4)
Shields is likely in my mind to be traded because he is replaceable. Garza in my mind is not likely to be traded because you need 1A and 1B to be successful in the AL.
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
I just threw those 2 out there due to tampa’s “salary” issues. MLBTR put out a decent list of pitchers that the Nats may be interested in.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/09/nationals-seek-top-starting-pitcher.html
“James Shields, Matt Garza, Zack Greinke, Kenshin Kawakami, Derek Lowe and Carlos Zambrano are among the starters who could become available on the trade market this winter. Lowe and Kawakami can’t be considered top-of-the-rotation pitchers at this point, but Shields, Garza and Greinke are hard to beat.”
I do understand that it will take a bunch to get those type of guys, but while I have high hopes for Mejia, I’d package him and others to get a Garza type. Need to give something to get something.
Now, as for the regression, they have to (unless they get more SPs). You figure your 1/2/3 are Pelf/Niese/Dickey… Then who do you have? Gee? Mejia? Misch? That’s why I see them regressing (as a staff).
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-10:04am at 10:04 am (UTC -4)
based on performance, interviews and that rocking beard, i think he fits the role of folk legend to the 9′s.
stickguy
9/30/2010-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
real, Dickey was a FT starter in AAA. I believe he pitched a total of 234 innings AAA/majors.
So yes, he is a workhorse, at the Halladay level.
amazing how the innings pile up when you make it to the gate for all your starts, and rarely if ever get knocked out early!
And to Rusty’s point, yes he seems to be a total fan favorite, even if he had a better year than eny of his comps ever did! He is still not a “superstar” regardless of results, is old and does not look like a ballplayer, gives great quotes, and mostly, has a funny name!
Hey, how many people would have liked or cared about George Theodore if he wasn’t called “the stork”?
Ceetar
9/30/2010-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
I saw somewhere that King Felix made 30 Quality starts or something. Insane. and the guy might not win Cy Young?
stickguy
9/30/2010-10:56am at 10:56 am (UTC -4)
gotta have the wins baby. Doesn’t matter if all your other numbers sucked, if you win 20, you are a front runner.
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
Myers threw 31 or 32. Wish we had signed that guy.
TRS86
9/30/2010-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, I did not want to count his AAA innings into his average though as I have no clue if they allowed him to go longer, shorter….
Regardless over the course of an entire season I think it’s easy to expect 200+ innings from him.
stickguy
9/30/2010-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
2 Sps would be great for next year. But, with 3 incumbants (that for a change all had good years, and are going into the off season healthy), plus the ghost of santana lingering, I think we will be lucky to see 1 significant one.
but, if that is a good one (like if they had signed lackey last year, or got garza or equivilant this year), and add another flyer type guy to compete for the back end, plus the usual AAA/depth types, it should be enough to get by. Since I assume they will let Gee and others compete for the 5th spot.
I do think you need to treat Santana as gone for 2011, so a 1 year stop gap (say like a vazquez on a 1 year deal) to try and compete next year will work.
Just for S&Gs, say they pull off a garza trade. garza/pelf/neise/dickey is a nice front 4. Awesome if/when santana ever comes back like santana. And, if dickey gets 2, locked in for 2012. Then you have Gee, Mejia, and anyone or depth guys perculating in AAA. But to start, either Gee or a depth guy will be your #5, but still, a competitive rotation. Even better if the #5 guy is someone like vazquez.
TRS86
9/30/2010-11:01am at 11:01 am (UTC -4)
I still can’t see TB trading Garza. I see no current incentive especially considering I don’t see Crawford or maybe even Pena being re-signed.
stickguy
9/30/2010-11:11am at 11:11 am (UTC -4)
seems silly to me too, but hard to know what a team with that kind of self imposed payroll limits will do.
So, all I can work with is what gets reported as possibly being in play. And since Garza is frequently mentioned, I use him as the example, but try to always caveat it with an “or equivilant” (so someone that fits that rough profile).
Still willing to trade bay back to Boston for Lackey, even up!
TRS86
9/30/2010-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
Lackey is still a bad contract not willing to do that.
As for Garza and his price he is not due to be a FA for a while. I don’t see money being the issue as Crawford and Pena are not under contract and may not come back. They only have 17M committed to next year. LOL> We got more than that in Beltran.
Their top 5 salary guys may all be gonners.
Pena
Crawford
Hawpe (yeah I know they did not pay much for him)
Soriano
Qualls
fongy2
9/30/2010-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
Assuming Johan is lost for almost all of net season, why would
we want any part of Javy Vasquez???…
As it would appear it’s unlikely no matter who is our next GM and Mgr we’re not likely to contend, why wouldn’t the FO give real
opps to almost every prospect and even fringe prospect to make
the team??? The way I see it the FO is going to have to lock-up
Wright, Reyes & Pelf, find some way to get Castillo & Ollie out
of that clubhouse and off this team. I figure Beltran returns healthy
with the insentive of playing for his next contract….AND…Who knows
…Maybe agrees to a deal during the season to a contender for
a real prospect. Ike, Tejada & Thole should be pretty much given
the 1B,2B & C jobs with inexpensive Vets brought in the assist.
Hopefully Bay will return to form….And who knows, maybe HE can
be moved in a larger deal netting a couple, three prospects .
I just don’t see how bringing in a third or fourth SPer or too helps
us a whole lot w/o Johan….In addition to all the other question
marks this team has.
TRS86
9/30/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
I just don’t think that the Mets should give up on 2011 but I do think they have a lot stacked against them. I have no problem signing a veteran pitcher to anchor the staff until Johan’s return. Even you have to admit that things COULD break right and place them back into contention. No need to be the Pirates and give up in October.
fongy2
9/30/2010-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
Not saying “give-up”. BUT hoping our new GM is realistic
and smart re:expectations for next season.
TRS86
9/30/2010-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
I hope he expects to compete but does not sell out for one shot at it.
stickguy
9/30/2010-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
ditto. which is why signing a vet SP for a 1 year deal makes sense. If everything clicks, you need him, and have a good year. If there are too many other holes to compete, you did not give up the future for him (and likely can pull off a deadline deal).
TRS86
9/30/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
If this is really the case, which I don’t see then sure I would sign Vasquez.
“Joel Sherman of the New York Post says the Yankees are not going to offer Javier Vazquez arbitration this winter and predicts that the right-hander will sign a one-year deal with a base salary of $4MM or so.”
fongy2
9/30/2010-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
Sounds good on 9/30/10…BUT we all know how the market always explodes for Pitchers AFTER the season ends for everyone.
Prismo
9/30/2010-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
Which part don’t you think is the case?
Him signing for $4mm? Look at his stats from this year…REALLY bad. I think $4mm might be in the right range, but who knows. I wouldn’t expect more than 6.
TRS86
9/30/2010-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
5.32 in the AL East is not as bad as you think although poor for sure. However, he is not old and still has decent K numbers. His walks were way up and thus you have a problem.
As for his price tag, if it were last year’s market I MIGHT agree but this one is so thin on pitching I expect him to get around a 2/14 deal.
Mr North Jersey
9/30/2010-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
Dickey is a highlight in a season with not too many highlights. Dickey being a Superstar may be in some fans eyes but definitely not in my eyes. I read Ceetar’s comment about Minaya getting credit for Dickey and here is my view on it.
If Minaya signed Dickey and said trust me I think this guy is gonna make a considerable contribution this season and the media/fans laughed at him and then Dickey had the season he did. I could see where Minaya deserves credit cause he believed that Dickey was going to have the success that he did.
But even Minaya admits that he never expected Dickey to perform the way he did so while Minaya gets the credit for signing him I am not gonna give him more credit that that when Minaya himself honestly admits he didn’t expect what he got from Dickey.
TRS86
9/30/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. However, I do see the comparisons for him being ripped on certain signings when they were praised as good moves at the time. For example Iggy and Escobar signings were praised on multiple on Mets sites and those turned out to be plain worthless.
rustyjr
9/30/2010-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
I’m strictly speaking from a fans standpoint – 20 years from now I think we will still wax fond of however long his tenure here is
Mr North Jersey
9/30/2010-11:18am at 11:18 am (UTC -4)
Agreed Rusty, I will remember this season Dickey had I believe the way I still think fondly of Terry Leach and his 1987 season.
fongy2
9/30/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Kudos to you North Jers on The Terry Learch mention.
A great season for us and one of my favorite Mets ever.
Side-arming 80mph fastballs…..
fongy2
9/30/2010-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
I hope you mean Dickey….Not Omar!
‘Cause 20 yrs from now if this young group doesn’t make
a playoff run at some point, I’ll look back think….
Oh…what might have been if Omar was even just a little
smarter and more creative following the ’06 season.
rustyjr
9/30/2010-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
Of course Dickey !
metsfan4decades
9/30/2010-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
I have yet to come across one comment across one Met blog anywhere that had one negative thing to say about Dickey.
Everyone likes him – heck even Phillies fans like him. Now, we can’t have that….
Someone mentioned above Dickey being this year’s folk legend. Here’s hoping it will be for some years to come.
TRS86
9/30/2010-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
Anyone noticed that Brad Penny is only one year older than Cliff Lee? And some want the Mets to sign Lee for 5 years….. BOOOO!
Prismo
9/30/2010-1:31pm at 1:31 pm (UTC -4)
That’s be a huge mistake.
Enough long-term big contracts for now…
The only long-term contracts (3+ years) I’m okay with the team doing are with young players already on the roster/ in the system.
TRS86
9/30/2010-1:40pm at 1:40 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed.
stickguy
9/30/2010-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
3rds. unless it is a rare FA that hits the market at a younger age, is very good, and really fits a need (like Bletran when he signed).
Problem is, anyone fitting the criteria is going to get more than 3 years anyway!
TRS86
9/30/2010-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
I still think there are some very intriguing names to be had on the FA SP watch. They don’t have to be solid locks, especially for some of you who have written off next year. Signing Vasquez/Kurdoa and a guy like Bonderman/Webb could make for a solid rotation with our without Johan. If it fails what have you really lost? Starts for Mejia?
TRS86
9/30/2010-1:28pm at 1:28 pm (UTC -4)
I still like the gamble of Chris Young. Maybe he finally puts it all together. If not slide him into the pen who knows. The guy is basically hittable but walks way too many batters. I don’t see him costing much and could compete with Gee for the #5 slot.
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-1:46pm at 1:46 pm (UTC -4)
Too many ifs. They are all risky. Trading for something a little more reliable is the way to go, in my mind.
TRS86
9/30/2010-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
Sure but thoughts are we really need to do both.
We need a reliable front of the rotation guy AND someone to compete for the # 5 slot with Gee.
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-2:13pm at 2:13 pm (UTC -4)
Agree with your # 5 comment. I guess I just read it as “Signing Vasquez/Kurdoa and a guy like Bonderman/Webb” meant those were the only 2 SP additions. That’ll make for a long year. If you want to shoot for Vasquez/Kuroda as the #5 and a bonderman/Webb as a #5/6… Then I’m OK with that. but, I’ll champion this until starting day of 2011. Trade some kids for a reliable pitcher, sign a 5th starter and a 6th starter. Signing FAs (not named Lee or Lilly – who are risky as well) to cover all the SP needs and thinking the Mets will be AOK is trouble.
saltygary
9/30/2010-2:10pm at 2:10 pm (UTC -4)
From top to bottom in the organization, the BS just doesn’t end:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/30/keith-hernandez-making-out_n_744367.html
njstuckintx
9/30/2010-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
I liked it back when ball players weren’t celebrities. So, Keith is dating again, and dating a gorgeous Italian girl to boot. The only thing I can say to him is 2 fold. 1. Why in a restaurant? we’re the oysters that potent? and 2. Stay away from the Italian ladies. They come with a side order of crazy!
Mr North Jersey
9/30/2010-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
Not 4 nothing but i don’t see the BS.
saltygary
9/30/2010-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
Normally it wouldn’t but with the team where it is and all the non-baseball drama going on, does he really need to macking a broad during dinner in public?
The whole organization is just a joke.
Mr North Jersey
9/30/2010-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
If that bothers you then I guess that is your right but I just don’t see anything wrong with it.
The man is in the midst of being divorced so it is not like he is cheating (which if he was so what?) and he didn’t do something obscene to where he was asked to leave the restaurant so as far as I am concerned he was being human.
saltygary
9/30/2010-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
The only reason why I am down on it right now is all organization members should be making one hell of an effort to have nothing posted in the media about them. That’s all. Last season,, mack away stache. This year everyone should be walking on eggshells.
stickguy
9/30/2010-3:25pm at 3:25 pm (UTC -4)
I also really don’t think of an announcer as part of the organization, as if he was a FO member. That, and I don’t see it as a big deal anyway, no matter who it is.