Video courtesy of ESPN
| New York Mets | ||||||||||
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| Hitters | AB | R | H | RBI | BB | SO | #P | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| J Reyes SS | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | .282 | .321 | .428 |
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J Arias 2B
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2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9 | .200 | .250 | .233 |
| J Feliciano RF | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 16 | .231 | .276 | .287 |
| D Wright 3B | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 12 | .283 | .354 | .503 |
| 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .063 | .063 | .063 | |
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S Green P
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0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
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b-L Castillo PH
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1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | .235 | .337 | .267 |
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M Acosta P
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0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
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c-M Nickeas PH
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1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | .200 | .200 | .200 |
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O Perez P
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0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .111 | .200 | .111 |
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P Misch P
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0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .125 | .125 | .125 |
| I Davis 1B | 6 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 19 | .264 | .351 | .440 |
| A Pagan CF | 6 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 30 | .290 | .340 | .425 |
| L Duda LF | 6 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 28 | .202 | .261 | .417 |
| J Thole C | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 25 | .277 | .357 | .366 |
| R Tejada 2B-SS | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 11 | .213 | .305 | .282 |
| M Pelfrey P | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | .113 | .141 | .113 |
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a-C Carter PH
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1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | .263 | .317 | .389 |
| 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | |
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M Hessman 3B
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2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 10 | .127 | .262 | .255 |
| Totals | 46 | 1 | 8 | 0 | 3 | 7 | 183 | |||
| a-grounded to pitcher for M Pelfrey in the 7th b-popped out to shortstop for S Green in the 10th c-struck out swinging for M Acosta in the 13th |
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| BATTING 2B: R Tejada (12, L Hernandez) S: R Tejada, J Feliciano, M Pelfrey GIDP: J Thole Mets RISP: 0-8 (J Arias 0-1, I Davis 0-1, A Pagan 0-1, M Hessman 0-1, J Thole 0-1, C Carter 0-1, J Reyes 0-1, M Pelfrey 0-1) Team LOB: 10 |
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| BASERUNNING CS: I Davis (2, 2nd base by L Hernandez) |
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| FIELDING DP: 2 (I Davis-D Wright-R Tejada, J Arias-R Tejada-I Davis). |
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| New York Mets | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pitchers | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | PC-ST | ERA | |
| M Pelfrey | 7.0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 102-65 | 3.66 | |
| R Igarashi | 1.0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 20-12 | 7.12 | |
| H Takahashi | 1.0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 23-14 | 3.61 | |
| S Green | 1.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 13-12 | 3.86 | |
| M Acosta | 3.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 30-19 | 2.95 | |
| O Perez (L, 0-5) |
0.1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 30-11 | 6.80 | |
| P Misch | 0.2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3-3 | 3.82 | |
| Totals | 14.0 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 6 | 12 | 0 | 221-136 | ||
| PITCHING HBP: A Kennedy (By O Perez) First-pitch strikes/Batters faced: M Pelfrey 17/26; R Igarashi 3/4; H Takahashi 2/5; S Green 3/3; M Acosta 8/9; O Perez 1/5; P Misch 1/1 Called strikes-Swinging strikes-Foul balls-In Play strikes: M Pelfrey 14-10-22-19; R Igarashi 3-4-3-2; H Takahashi 4-3-4-3; S Green 5-2-3-2; M Acosta 6-3-4-6; O Perez 2-5-4-0; P Misch 1-0-1-1 Ground Balls-Fly Balls: M Pelfrey 9-8; R Igarashi 0-1; H Takahashi 0-2; S Green 2-0; M Acosta 2-4; O Perez 0-0; P Misch 2-0 Game Scores: M Pelfrey 67 |
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| Washington Nationals | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hitters | AB | R | H | RBI | BB | SO | #P | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| D Espinosa 2B | 6 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 26 | .214 | .277 | .447 |
| N Morgan CF | 5 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 25 | .253 | .319 | .314 |
| I Desmond SS | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 26 | .269 | .308 | .392 |
| A Dunn 1B | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 15 | .260 | .356 | .536 |
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A Kennedy PR-1B
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1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | .249 | .327 | .327 |
| R Bernadina LF | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 25 | .246 | .307 | .384 |
| I Rodriguez C | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 14 | .266 | .294 | .347 |
| 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | |
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a-M Morse PH
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1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | .289 | .352 | .519 |
|
D Slaten P
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0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 |
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D Storen P
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0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .500 | .500 | .500 |
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c-K Mench PH
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1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .111 | .172 | .111 |
| 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | |
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d-W Nieves PH
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0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | .203 | .244 | .310 |
| 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .125 | .125 | .125 | |
| W Harris RF | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 | .183 | .291 | .362 |
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b-J Maxwell PH-RF
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1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 20 | .144 | .305 | .288 |
| A Gonzalez 3B | 6 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 21 | .247 | .277 | .301 |
| L Hernandez P | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | .148 | .161 | .213 |
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W Ramos C
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3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 15 | .269 | .296 | .404 |
| Totals | 46 | 2 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 12 | 221 | |||
| a-struck out swinging for S Burnett in the 9th b-walked for W Harris in the 9th c-grounded to third for D Storen in the 12th d-walked for J Peralta in the 14th |
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| BATTING 2B: A Gonzalez (8, M Pelfrey); N Morgan (17, R Igarashi) RBI: A Gonzalez (5), J Maxwell (12) GIDP: L Hernandez, A Gonzalez Nationals RISP: 2-10 (A Gonzalez 1-3, R Bernadina 0-1, I Desmond 0-2, A Dunn 0-1, W Harris 1-1, L Hernandez 0-2) Team LOB: 9 |
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| BASERUNNING SB: A Kennedy (14, 2nd base off O Perez/J Thole) |
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| FIELDING E: I Desmond (34, ground ball) DP: 1 (D Espinosa-I Desmond-A Dunn). |
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| Washington Nationals | ||||||||||
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| Pitchers | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | PC-ST | ERA | |
| L Hernandez | 6.2 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 85-51 | 3.66 | |
| S Burnett | 1.1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 22-10 | 2.14 | |
| D Slaten | 0.2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7-5 | 3.10 | |
| D Storen | 2.1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 29-20 | 3.58 | |
| J Peralta (W, 1-0) |
2.0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 23-19 | 2.02 | |
| M Batista (S, 2) |
1.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 17-8 | 3.70 | |
| Totals | 14.0 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 7 | 0 | 183-113 | ||
| PITCHING IBB: D Wright (By S Burnett) HBP: R Tejada (By L Hernandez) First-pitch strikes/Batters faced: L Hernandez 17/26; S Burnett 1/6; D Slaten 1/2; D Storen 5/8; J Peralta 6/7; M Batista 1/4 Called strikes-Swinging strikes-Foul balls-In Play strikes: L Hernandez 14-5-12-20; S Burnett 2-0-3-5; D Slaten 2-1-0-2; D Storen 5-3-7-5; J Peralta 4-6-5-4; M Batista 2-0-3-3 Ground Balls-Fly Balls: L Hernandez 7-11; S Burnett 2-2; D Slaten 1-1; D Storen 1-3; J Peralta 2-1; M Batista 1-2 Game Scores: L Hernandez 58 |
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Box Score courtesy of ESPN
40 comments
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-7:05pm at 7:05 pm (UTC -4)
a Manuel quote,
“I felt bad that we had to put Ollie in a situation like that,” Manuel said. “We had no choice. We had nothing left. That bothers me. He hadn’t pitched in a while. That was a tough situation for him. I think out of anything that bothered me the most.”
OK so He hadn’t pitched in a while? Really? So who is responsible for that? I am guessing not Jerry then by that comment. So maybe Jerry can say who is responsible for Ollie not pitching in a while?
Is It Minaya? Is It Jeff Wilpon? Maybe it’s Fred Wilpon?
It can’t be Jerry cause he clearly feels bad for having to use Ollie.
Bring on 2011.
njstuckintx
10/3/2010-10:08pm at 10:08 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe I’m reading into it, but I feel like that quote of “we had to…” takes all the blame, or attempts to, off of Jerry. Like, this wasn’t my fault. I’m very excited the house gets cleaned come Monday.
saltygary
10/3/2010-7:29pm at 7:29 pm (UTC -4)
Jeez, the one time you can’t kill Ollie on the loss but the evil side of my brain is somehow glad this is how the season ended. I guess I’m just a big jerk following a jerky team.
metsfan4decades
10/3/2010-8:00pm at 8:00 pm (UTC -4)
I watched the game, I heard the post game comments.
If Jerry wasn’t responsible for the Ollie debacle, then shame on the Mets FO. Just another reason this franchise has become the laughing stock it is these past few years.
There was enough blame to go around with that situation on both sides.
Isn’t it somehow fitting that is how this season ended?
wannybackstra
10/3/2010-8:57pm at 8:57 pm (UTC -4)
Ollie was responsible for his status with the team. He was in no way capable of pitching and refused to get himself prepared. This is one of a few things for which I don’t blame Jerry. Once the rosters expanded there was even less reason to pitch Ollie.
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-9:26pm at 9:26 pm (UTC -4)
OK I will just say if he pitched in any games then he was capable. If I am not mistaken he did pitch in 4 games after his return b4 today. That the results were not favorable is another thing all together.
So this thing that it was Ollie’s fault that he wasn’t used only flies if it is to suggest his refusal to go down was why the Mets decided to not use him and just carry him on the roster.
Which if that is the case which I believe it is also the Mets are idiots for cutting of their nose t spite their face.
wannybackstra
10/3/2010-9:29pm at 9:29 pm (UTC -4)
when i say capable, i didn’t mean that he wasn’t healthy. i meant that he wasn’t capable of performing like a MLB pitcher.
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-9:48pm at 9:48 pm (UTC -4)
I apologize but I have no idea what that means wanny.
What is it he wasn’t capable of exactly if I can ask?
wannybackstra
10/3/2010-9:50pm at 9:50 pm (UTC -4)
throwing strikes. throwing hard. getting hitters out. those kinds of things.
things that could have been worked on in AAA. or helped out by showing up to camp in shape.
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-10:04pm at 10:04 pm (UTC -4)
Ahh thanks 4 expanding.
Look the truth is Ollie simply did not need to go down. Their was nothing physically wrong with him. That would prevent him from pitching. If there was the Mets would of used it to dl him instantly.
Once the Mets came back from the terrible west coast trip their season was over for all intents and purposes and even if they felt it wasn’t it was definitely over once Sept 1st rolled around.
The work you talk about him getting down at AAA he could just as easily got with the big club. They could of worked him in but they chose not to in what was the stupidest thing I have seen this team do all year.
In no way does sitting Ollie the way they did was a smart move for the better of the team.
He was as far as I am concerned until seeing otherwise banished to the pen not to be seen for God knows what has to be the most idiotic thing I have seen done in years.
Heck KROD beat his father in law and he pitched within days and possibly the next day of the incident if I am not mistaken.
Had KRod never injured himself he prob still be pitching the rest of the season.
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-10:18pm at 10:18 pm (UTC -4)
I should of said that the reason i inserted KROD into the mix was to suggest that somehow the Mets banished Ollie to the pen for refusing to succumb to whatever the team’s desires were yet KROD beating his father in law would not have stopped the Mets from using him or banishing him to the darkest corners of the pen the way they did Ollie in my opinion of course.
So it’s not about what is right or wrong or what’s best for the team. It is about how dare you disobey the team when you are playing poorly.
njstuckintx
10/3/2010-10:22pm at 10:22 pm (UTC -4)
Wasn’t it more Ollie not being as he should and then refusing to try and sort it out because it involved the minors?
fongy2
10/3/2010-10:24pm at 10:24 pm (UTC -4)
But Ollie walking the bases load, then the winning run
in to bad team who quit two months perfectly sums up
Omar and the FO failures since the moment Bel-Tron
took Wainwright’s wicked curve. It was almost funny.
Yet, I get the sinkin’ feelin’ Omar gets one more year.
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
Honestly to backtrack and try to say what led to what is somethin i am not prepared to do.
I know 1 thing.
He made himself available to pitch for every game once he was called up and was called all of 6 times since late July.
He had no injury the team could find wrong and had they done so I am sure he would of been dl’d instantly.
That his arm strength or mechanics were off (if that is what they felt) was something that they could of worked on at the Major League level.
Yet they felt that somehow just letting sit was better.
How that is the case God only knows.
metsfan4decades
10/3/2010-11:08pm at 11:08 pm (UTC -4)
If I’m not mistaken, Ollie spent months in the off season at a training camp in AZ? somewhere….He was in shape so that wasn’t the problem.
His mechanics were crap or all out of whack. He had a knee problem also. Even if/when that healed his mechanics are still crap. Going down to the minors and working on them – especially since they were so far off, IMO – was what he should have done for the team, for himself, for his career. I have no idea why he didn’t but an 87MPH fb at the ML level for him isn’t going to get the job done. And that’s what he was pitching at today.
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-11:22pm at 11:22 pm (UTC -4)
Correct what he should of done is go down but the fact remains once he came back up to the team the idea that somehow using him as little as possible was somehow the smart move is something that I just can not come to grips with.
Ollie in his 1st 12 days back appeared in 3 games then over the next 63 days he appeared in 3 games.
There is no way to justify such a thing as something that was best for the organization.
Not that that is what you are saying 4D.
stickguy
10/3/2010-11:32pm at 11:32 pm (UTC -4)
I agree with you NJ, that I never could quite figure out what the FO was trying to accomplish.
I guess while they were still in the race they just felt he was not ML ready, and were trying to hid him (kind of like carrying a rule 5 guy, which the Phillies happened to do this year all season).
But once the year was “over”, and SPs started dropping, he should have gotten starts (or at least regular mop up duty!) To try and rebuild some semblance of value, but maybe by then he was too rusty? Or the sad option, the team wanted to spite him, and it was cutting off their nose to spite their face.
metsfan4decades
10/3/2010-11:36pm at 11:36 pm (UTC -4)
When he came back and it was apparent he was far from ML ready and wouldn’t go back down, I did not see the point in banishing him to the BP and not using him at all. I don’t know whose decision that was but IMO, at they point they should have just released him.
If they were going to pay him to not pitch for the NY Mets, better it be at home on his couch or even on another team, then in taking up a BP spot and leaving the BP one arm short until Sept.
stickguy
10/4/2010-12:01am at 12:01 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think the outright release was ever going to be in the cards during the season.
wannybackstra
10/3/2010-9:02pm at 9:02 pm (UTC -4)
Some other random observations:
why did jesus feliciano get so many at bats these last few days? would have been nice to have given those to carter.
ruben tejada finished strongly and i like his chances to at least hit well enough to more than an all glove guy. hopefully he gets a full season at aaa next season.
mike hessman sure did play a lot these last few days.
nice to see thole finish strong as well. and to see him jack one out which showed there might be some pop in that bat.
duda is another guy i’d like to see in AAA all season (unless injuries require him) with an eye toward RF when Beltran is gone after next season. He can hit major league pitching right now, I think. But would love to see him be an average fielder.
Davis also finished strong.
Pelfrey really turned around his season after a terrible month. He’s not an ace but he will be ours next year.
It’s Dickey to rock a rhyme.
So long Pedro Feliciano. The right move is to take the supplemental pick and to thank him for his professionalism over the last several years.
njstuckintx
10/3/2010-9:24pm at 9:24 pm (UTC -4)
Good points on Feliciano and Hessman. Was like why not let them play, they aren’t going to get this chance ever again type mentality.
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-9:27pm at 9:27 pm (UTC -4)
I said it b4 and I will say it again you don’t bench Jesus on a Sunday.
fongy2
10/3/2010-9:44pm at 9:44 pm (UTC -4)
“Juu got that right my friend, Nobody fux with the Jesus”
stickguy
10/3/2010-11:20pm at 11:20 pm (UTC -4)
I think it was jerry’s going away present to the rest of the soon to be unemployed, and very likely never in the majors again crowd.
stickguy
10/3/2010-11:28pm at 11:28 pm (UTC -4)
I just want to see a fun, surprising, productive off season.
and all the ollie chatter, hopefully a GM/leader that will not let the team get into that kind of situation again.
I still think the team should be putting a level of talent on the field next year (even without unexpected huge turnover) to be a playoff contender. Hell, rockies were a big playoff darling just weeks ago, and they only finished 4 games in front of the Mets. SD and Atl weren’t exactly setting the world on fire down the stretch either.
Point is, there are not a lot of great, hole-free teams in the NL. And teams that finished ahead of the mets have plenty of of them.
No need to write off 2011 already, although it seems that many fans (at least the ones that post on some sites!) certainly seem to have.
even if they just improve by the same % next year over this year, that is 89 wins. Which puts you in the playoff hunt right up to the end.
And yes, I think the Mets will be capable of that many wins, and without and unbelievable miracles by the FO in the off season!
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-11:36pm at 11:36 pm (UTC -4)
Right now its hard 2 get xcited for 2011 with the way the club is but that doesnt mean come March 2011 ppl will still feel the same way.
Not sure what writing off means 2 u but if it means saying 2011 doesn’t look promising based on what the team looks like today then consider me also in the writing the team off group.
stickguy
10/3/2010-11:59pm at 11:59 pm (UTC -4)
writing off in this case means posting semi-literate ramblings along the line of “they will suck hard next year. no chance of winning. don’t bother playing the season”. Along those lines.
metsfan4decades
10/3/2010-11:38pm at 11:38 pm (UTC -4)
So does being on top most of the season and heading into Sep 6.5 games up in the division, only to lose on the last day of the season and not make it in constitute a collapse?
I’m referring to the Padres.
Mr North Jersey
10/3/2010-11:54pm at 11:54 pm (UTC -4)
Giants went 19-10 in Sept
Padres went 14-17 in Sept
On Sept 1st the Padres had a 3 game lead over the 2nd place Giants.
Its a collapse in the sense they were 3 games below 500 for Sept. but they had a 3 game lead on the 1st not what i consider a safe lead by any stretch.
stickguy
10/3/2010-11:57pm at 11:57 pm (UTC -4)
braves came within 1 game of joining them. Damn.
metsfan4decades
10/4/2010-7:35am at 7:35 am (UTC -4)
Ah…..whatever site I was looking at obviously had their numbers wrong. You’re right 3 games up coming into Sep isn’t a collapse at all. They played below .500, Giants played way above it.
TRS86
10/4/2010-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
Actually they did collapse they just started it a little early.
They were 6.5 games up on Aug 25th and lost 10 games in a row and 16 of 22.
Mr North Jersey
10/4/2010-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
Agreed It is a collapse in the sense that they played sub 500 ball for that stretch but for me the fact that even after the 10 game losing streak that went from Aug 26th to Sept 5th they still had a 1 game lead at the end of it and they then went 14-12 the rest of the way.
Even though they played just 2 games above 500 it took the Giants going 16-9 during the same stretch to take it from them on the very last day of the season.
So while one can say it was a collapse if one chooses. For me the fact that but they had a 6.5 game lead on Aug 25th and a 3 game lead on Sept 1st and a 1 game lead on Spt 5th those are not what i consider a safe lead by any stretch.
TRS86
10/4/2010-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
To me a 6.5 game lead at the end of August should able you to lock things up. You could play .500 from there and make it very difficult to pass you.
Mr North Jersey
10/4/2010-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
I understand and I can see your reasoning. I just for the reasons I already stated don’t share your view that a 6.5 game lead on Aug 25th means you have locked anything up.
GravediggerHebner
10/4/2010-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Other than Ollie losing it, and losing it the way that he did, the thing that made yesterday perfect was that after being unable to avoid them all season long Ken Davidoff wound up 0 for 2 with his twitter-omnipresent record predictions for the Mets and Yankees.
TRS86
10/4/2010-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
Problem is he just does not care because the end result is people talking about him when in fact otherwise nobody would. They certainly would not talk about him because of his great work.
GravediggerHebner
10/4/2010-11:44am at 11:44 am (UTC -4)
I can’t comment on his work one way or the other because I can’t read it (I don’t have access to Newsday – I used to enjoy Davidoff’s lengthy Sunday columns but that was a long time ago and I have no specific memories of them).
What I can pass on in this context was I noticed sometime in the last week-to-10-days that the person in charge of Amazin Avenue’s twitter account thanked Davidoff (& 1 other Mets writer whose name I can’t recall) for their “intellectual honesty” and for, I’m not sure I’ll get this phrase right, “not letting a good story get in the way of the truth” which I understood to mean he’d rather right something mundane and be accurate than something salacious and be wrong.
Mr North Jersey
10/4/2010-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
Agreed Grave.
GravediggerHebner
10/4/2010-11:49am at 11:49 am (UTC -4)
Manuel out, Minaya relieved of VP/GM duties.