Should I be concerned about this Allard Baird person?
His past track record on the surface kind of worries me.
Allard Baird became General Manager of the Kansas City Royals in 2000, when he replaced Herk Robinson. He had been the Royals’ assistant GM in 1999-2000. During Baird’s tenure, the Royals had three 100-loss seasons and finished above .500 only in 2003. He was responsible for trading away stars Carlos Beltran, Johnny Damon, and Jermaine Dye. He was fired on May 31, 2006 and replaced by Dayton Moore. In 2008 Baird is an Assistant to the GM of the Boston Red Sox.
Draft Picks
1st Round
* 2001: 9th overall P Colt Griffin – Marshall High School
* 2002: 6th overall P Zach Greinke – Apopka High School
* 2003: 5th overall OF Chris Lubanski – Kennedy-Kenrick Catholic
* 2003: 30th overall C Mitch Maier – University of Toledo
* 2004: 14th overall OF Billy Butler – Wolfson High School
* 2004: 29th overall P Matthew Campbell – University of South Carolina
* 2004: 31st overall P J.P. Howell – University of Texas at Austin
* 2005: 2nd overall 3B Alex Gordon – University of Nebraska
Significant Trades
* January 8, 2001 in a three team trade sent Johnny Damon and Mark Ellis to the Oakland A’s for A.J. Hinch and Angel Berroa from Oakland and Roberto Hernandez from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays
* June 25, 2001 traded Jermaine Dye to the Colorado Rockies for Neifi Perez
* December 19, 2001 traded Shawn Sonnier to the Chicago Cubs for Michael Tucker
* June 24, 2004 in a three team trade sent Carlos Beltran to the Houston Astros for John Buck from Houston and Mike Wood and Mark Teahen from the Oakland A’s
* December 7, 2005 traded Chad Blackwell and Jonah Bayliss to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Mark Redman
Significant Signings
* November 14, 2000 signed Ambiorix Burgos as a amateur Free Agent
* January 22, 2001 signed Raul Ibanez as a free agent from Seattle Mariners
* December 18, 2001 signed Chuck Knoblauch as a free agent from New York Yankees
* January 6, 2004 signed Juan Gonzalez as a free agent from Texas Rangers
* December 16, 2005 signed Doug Mientkiewicz as a Free Agent from New York Mets
* December 16, 2005 signed Mark Grudzielanek as a free agent from St. Louis Cardinals
* January 6, 2006 signed Reggie Sanders as a free agent from St. Louis Cardinals
Baseball Reference has nothing on Hahn but here is what it has on Josh Byrnes.
Josh Byrnes was the General Manager for the Arizona Diamondbacks until July 1, 2010.
Byrnes was the assistant director of scouting for the Cleveland Indians in 1997-1998 and the team’s Scouting Director in 1999. He served as the assistant general manager for the Colorado Rockies (2000-2002) and Boston Red Sox (2003-2005).
Draft Picks
1st Round Picks
* 2006: 11th overall P Max Scherzer – University of Missouri
* 2006: 34th overall P Brooks Brown – University of Georgia
* 2007: 9th overall P Jarrod Parker – Norwell High School
* 2007: 50th overall P Wes Roemer – California State University, Fullerton
* 2007: 61st overall C Ed Easley – Mississippi State University
Significant Trades
* December 20, 2005 traded Javier Vazquez to the Chicago White Sox for Orlando Hernandez, Luis Vizcaino and Chris Young
* December 27, 2005 traded Troy Glaus and Sergio Santos to the Toronto Blue Jays for Miguel Batista and Orlando Hudson
* November 25, 2006 traded Greg Aquino, Johnny Estrada and Claudio Vargas to the Milwaukee Brewers for Doug Davis, Dana Eveland and Dave Krynzel
* January 9, 2007 traded Luis Vizcaino, Steven Jackson, Ross Ohlendorf and Alberto Gonzalez to the New York Yankees for Randy Johnson
I agree on both these guys, no thanks. I’m intrigued by Sandy Alderson’s name coming up and this LaCava guy seems well regarded for the under the radar candidates. And Hunsicker may be available to talk sooner than we thought.
Slow night so if anyone out there looking for something to read here is an article from Sept 10 that talks about what possible GM Sandy Alderson has been doing down in the Dominican Republic.
Baird? Seems like we are getting farther and farther from the idea of a top tier, heavy hitter. And not toward a hot shot up and comer.
Instead, baird (and Byrnes too IMO from the reports) is going down the mediocre retread aisle. Might as well interview stevie skill sets and Jim Duquette again.
serious question (call it a poll). For the new GM, is the talent drafting aspect more important, or organizational management (the “other” stuff)?
Just wondering, since some of the responses to the various names (like Byrnes) are primarily related to the guys “he” drafted.
But, my understanding (from sorting through different articles) is that the MiL people and director of scouting have a lot (more? most? to do with deciding on the draft picks).
The GM obviously is integral to trades and talent eval (based on what his scouting people provide).
But, what about all the areas that did not seem to be Omar strengths. Organizational communications, building a FO team, the medical staff, all that non-rostery stuff that falls on the GM/VP?
I think that part is probably more important in this case, given all the issues the Mets seem to have structurally (and owner wise).
And that’s why it worries me if they go with 1 guy, and it is someone with no prior “the man” experience. IOW, fear of Paris!
gms have a lot more involvement with 1st rd picks than the rest. they can’t run around scouting thousands of players. but a gm should direct the draft philosophy — an area the mets have been fairly criticized for (lack of dedicated funds, focus on lower ceiling/faster to majors players like college freaking relief pitchers).
so does a guy that is good at picking (or at least signing off on) good 1st round picks trump someone that is more of a chief executive/organizer/manager type?
With a somber remembrance of the news conference welcoming Art Howe to the Mets family in my mind I wondered if Fred Wilpon is capable of recognizing the difference between a top GM candidate versus just another hack. If you recall at the Art Howe welcome news conference Fred Wilpon said “He blew me away. . . A half-hour into this, it struck me. There was no question. This was the guy I wanted. I said, ‘Art, this interview is over. You are not being interviewed anymore. You’re a New York Met. Now let’s talk as partners.’”
Baird is horrendous, and I’m not too enamored with Byrnes. Terry Ryan is my choice, but it appears he might not be interested. Alderson would be one fine choice as well, and I’m somewhat intrigued by Hahn, but would prefer a proven entity.
19 comments
Mr North Jersey
10/7/2010-6:52pm at 6:52 pm (UTC -4)
Should I be concerned about this Allard Baird person?
His past track record on the surface kind of worries me.
Allard Baird became General Manager of the Kansas City Royals in 2000, when he replaced Herk Robinson. He had been the Royals’ assistant GM in 1999-2000. During Baird’s tenure, the Royals had three 100-loss seasons and finished above .500 only in 2003. He was responsible for trading away stars Carlos Beltran, Johnny Damon, and Jermaine Dye. He was fired on May 31, 2006 and replaced by Dayton Moore. In 2008 Baird is an Assistant to the GM of the Boston Red Sox.
Draft Picks
1st Round
* 2001: 9th overall P Colt Griffin – Marshall High School
* 2002: 6th overall P Zach Greinke – Apopka High School
* 2003: 5th overall OF Chris Lubanski – Kennedy-Kenrick Catholic
* 2003: 30th overall C Mitch Maier – University of Toledo
* 2004: 14th overall OF Billy Butler – Wolfson High School
* 2004: 29th overall P Matthew Campbell – University of South Carolina
* 2004: 31st overall P J.P. Howell – University of Texas at Austin
* 2005: 2nd overall 3B Alex Gordon – University of Nebraska
Significant Trades
* January 8, 2001 in a three team trade sent Johnny Damon and Mark Ellis to the Oakland A’s for A.J. Hinch and Angel Berroa from Oakland and Roberto Hernandez from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays
* June 25, 2001 traded Jermaine Dye to the Colorado Rockies for Neifi Perez
* December 19, 2001 traded Shawn Sonnier to the Chicago Cubs for Michael Tucker
* June 24, 2004 in a three team trade sent Carlos Beltran to the Houston Astros for John Buck from Houston and Mike Wood and Mark Teahen from the Oakland A’s
* December 7, 2005 traded Chad Blackwell and Jonah Bayliss to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Mark Redman
Significant Signings
* November 14, 2000 signed Ambiorix Burgos as a amateur Free Agent
* January 22, 2001 signed Raul Ibanez as a free agent from Seattle Mariners
* December 18, 2001 signed Chuck Knoblauch as a free agent from New York Yankees
* January 6, 2004 signed Juan Gonzalez as a free agent from Texas Rangers
* December 16, 2005 signed Doug Mientkiewicz as a Free Agent from New York Mets
* December 16, 2005 signed Mark Grudzielanek as a free agent from St. Louis Cardinals
* January 6, 2006 signed Reggie Sanders as a free agent from St. Louis Cardinals
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Allard_Baird
Prismo
10/7/2010-7:27pm at 7:27 pm (UTC -4)
Oh god, this is terrible too. Oy. Looks like we really have to pray for a good GM.
Mr North Jersey
10/7/2010-6:58pm at 6:58 pm (UTC -4)
Baseball Reference has nothing on Hahn but here is what it has on Josh Byrnes.
Josh Byrnes was the General Manager for the Arizona Diamondbacks until July 1, 2010.
Byrnes was the assistant director of scouting for the Cleveland Indians in 1997-1998 and the team’s Scouting Director in 1999. He served as the assistant general manager for the Colorado Rockies (2000-2002) and Boston Red Sox (2003-2005).
Draft Picks
1st Round Picks
* 2006: 11th overall P Max Scherzer – University of Missouri
* 2006: 34th overall P Brooks Brown – University of Georgia
* 2007: 9th overall P Jarrod Parker – Norwell High School
* 2007: 50th overall P Wes Roemer – California State University, Fullerton
* 2007: 61st overall C Ed Easley – Mississippi State University
Significant Trades
* December 20, 2005 traded Javier Vazquez to the Chicago White Sox for Orlando Hernandez, Luis Vizcaino and Chris Young
* December 27, 2005 traded Troy Glaus and Sergio Santos to the Toronto Blue Jays for Miguel Batista and Orlando Hudson
* November 25, 2006 traded Greg Aquino, Johnny Estrada and Claudio Vargas to the Milwaukee Brewers for Doug Davis, Dana Eveland and Dave Krynzel
* January 9, 2007 traded Luis Vizcaino, Steven Jackson, Ross Ohlendorf and Alberto Gonzalez to the New York Yankees for Randy Johnson
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Josh_Byrnes
Prismo
10/7/2010-7:23pm at 7:23 pm (UTC -4)
Is it just me, or is that very unimpressive? PASS
hazmet
10/7/2010-7:28pm at 7:28 pm (UTC -4)
I agree on both these guys, no thanks. I’m intrigued by Sandy Alderson’s name coming up and this LaCava guy seems well regarded for the under the radar candidates. And Hunsicker may be available to talk sooner than we thought.
wannybackstra
10/7/2010-9:32pm at 9:32 pm (UTC -4)
too early to judge byrnes’s drafts. Scherzer is legit. And Parker was one of the top pitching prospects in the minors until he got hurt.
His trades are pretty good. chris young for javy vazquez? doug davis is a legit major leaguer he got for nothing. same for the unit.
Mr North Jersey
10/7/2010-7:16pm at 7:16 pm (UTC -4)
Slow night so if anyone out there looking for something to read here is an article from Sept 10 that talks about what possible GM Sandy Alderson has been doing down in the Dominican Republic.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2010/09/sports-activist-talks-about-sa.html
stickguy
10/7/2010-7:27pm at 7:27 pm (UTC -4)
Baird? Seems like we are getting farther and farther from the idea of a top tier, heavy hitter. And not toward a hot shot up and comer.
Instead, baird (and Byrnes too IMO from the reports) is going down the mediocre retread aisle. Might as well interview stevie skill sets and Jim Duquette again.
Prismo
10/7/2010-7:28pm at 7:28 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed.
Why get these mediocre GMs who have very limited success? (if any)
hazmet
10/7/2010-7:49pm at 7:49 pm (UTC -4)
Gritty McHudson goes yard to tie the game!!!!!
stickguy
10/7/2010-8:24pm at 8:24 pm (UTC -4)
cool. sign him for 4 years!
oh wait, Omar is gone. Never mind!
stickguy
10/7/2010-9:02pm at 9:02 pm (UTC -4)
wait, you were hallucinating that I see. Lay off the hard stuff at dinner dude!
stickguy
10/7/2010-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
serious question (call it a poll). For the new GM, is the talent drafting aspect more important, or organizational management (the “other” stuff)?
Just wondering, since some of the responses to the various names (like Byrnes) are primarily related to the guys “he” drafted.
But, my understanding (from sorting through different articles) is that the MiL people and director of scouting have a lot (more? most? to do with deciding on the draft picks).
The GM obviously is integral to trades and talent eval (based on what his scouting people provide).
But, what about all the areas that did not seem to be Omar strengths. Organizational communications, building a FO team, the medical staff, all that non-rostery stuff that falls on the GM/VP?
I think that part is probably more important in this case, given all the issues the Mets seem to have structurally (and owner wise).
And that’s why it worries me if they go with 1 guy, and it is someone with no prior “the man” experience. IOW, fear of Paris!
wannybackstra
10/7/2010-10:02pm at 10:02 pm (UTC -4)
gms have a lot more involvement with 1st rd picks than the rest. they can’t run around scouting thousands of players. but a gm should direct the draft philosophy — an area the mets have been fairly criticized for (lack of dedicated funds, focus on lower ceiling/faster to majors players like college freaking relief pitchers).
stickguy
10/7/2010-10:15pm at 10:15 pm (UTC -4)
so does a guy that is good at picking (or at least signing off on) good 1st round picks trump someone that is more of a chief executive/organizer/manager type?
wannybackstra
10/8/2010-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
the bottom line is in the performance of the team — however it gets there.
gategem
10/8/2010-3:38am at 3:38 am (UTC -4)
With a somber remembrance of the news conference welcoming Art Howe to the Mets family in my mind I wondered if Fred Wilpon is capable of recognizing the difference between a top GM candidate versus just another hack. If you recall at the Art Howe welcome news conference Fred Wilpon said “He blew me away. . . A half-hour into this, it struck me. There was no question. This was the guy I wanted. I said, ‘Art, this interview is over. You are not being interviewed anymore. You’re a New York Met. Now let’s talk as partners.’”
njstuckintx
10/8/2010-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
I wonder if Fred would ever realize that the hiring a manager should be the sole responsibility of a GM, not the Owner.
asod75
10/10/2010-4:29pm at 4:29 pm (UTC -4)
Baird is horrendous, and I’m not too enamored with Byrnes. Terry Ryan is my choice, but it appears he might not be interested. Alderson would be one fine choice as well, and I’m somewhat intrigued by Hahn, but would prefer a proven entity.