Oct 10
Good bye Omar and Jerry, take care and good luck.
This may not be an easy question to answer but I’m throwing it our there as a challenge.
What caused Omar to be dismissed? Was there a straw that broke the camels back in terms of when Omar was done as GM? How about Jerry, what did him in as well? Was is one thing in particular?
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22 comments
rustyjr
10/10/2010-9:04am at 9:04 am (UTC -4)
I think it was the Wilpon’s seeing a empty citi field in September – that and the fact that it’s been 4 years since we sniffed the playoffs
stickguy
10/10/2010-9:35am at 9:35 am (UTC -4)
cumulative effort by both guys. But like Rusty said, empty seats pretending to be fans was a big part of it, although I suspect the decision was made long before that.
I will say getting one more chance (2010) to put a winner on the field, and having the team die in July and freefall the rest of the way iced it.
Mr North Jersey
10/10/2010-11:02am at 11:02 am (UTC -4)
No doubt that both played a part but let me ask this then.
If the Mets didn’t make the playoffs this season but people did come to games. Do you think Minaya would be fired?
I do.
Now If the Mets made the playoffs this season but like in Tampa people still didn’t come to games. Do you think Minaya would be fired?
I don’t.
The point being in my opinion the single biggest factor that they fired him was the 4 years of no playoffs.
stickguy
10/10/2010-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
I agree that if the season had unfolded exactly the same way, but tickets that were already sold had been used, Omar still would have been axed.
and conceptually, for your 2nd piont, the playoffs probaby would have saved Omar for another year (almost definitely).
But realistically, it never would have happened. If the Mets had been in the playoff race and winning 92+ games, the tickets would have been used (and more sold). Not sure if it would have been packed every night, but there would have been a lot of people there. My HO of course.
rustyjr
10/10/2010-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
There is a big difference – I think based upon the last 2 seasons – and how bad they ended the Wilpon’s had to acknowledge the disenfranchised fan base which stayed away in droves – I disagree – I think if the mets barely missed the post season and attendance rebounded omar’s job would have been safe
metsfan4decades
10/10/2010-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
My sentiments as well.
4 years since 2006, empty seats, controversies off the field – leads me to believe the Wilpons, no matter how ‘highly they think of Omar’ trust him to lead this team to post season.
They didn’t label Jerry the ‘great tinkerer’ for nothing. Without a deep talent pool in every position to parade out there day to day, he just kept shuffling the deck hoping something would work – from the lineup to the BP to the SP. Hope or ‘gut’ is not exactly the qualities needed for a ML manager.
GravediggerHebner
10/10/2010-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think there was any one obvious straw for the Wilpons that wound up breaking the proverbial camel’s back for Minaya or Manuel (but for me regarding Omar there was that straw it was the Bernazard/Rubin fiasco).
I think for the Wilpons it was the whole package for both gentlemen, a package that ultimately proved unsuccessful for both.
Mr North Jersey
10/10/2010-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
You mean this???
metsfan4decades
10/10/2010-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
Ouch…
I caught that press conference live. I still remember sitting there thinking, ‘oh wow, this is gonna hurt’…..
rustyjr
10/10/2010-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
I was at the game that night – the entire fan base did a collective face palm that night
Prismo
10/10/2010-6:12pm at 6:12 pm (UTC -4)
But…but…Omar’s such a good guy! Never done anything to make us doubt that for a second.
metsfan4decades
10/10/2010-5:59pm at 5:59 pm (UTC -4)
Over on MLBTR:
Adam Rubin from ESPN New York gives us some insight into the Mets’ managerial situation; potential general manager Sandy Alderson has believed it’s misusing your resources to hire an expensive manager, while Mets owner Fred Wilpon would prefer a manager with previous ties to the Mets.
asod75
10/10/2010-6:10pm at 6:10 pm (UTC -4)
If that’s true, LaRussa would be out of the running, one would think.
Prismo
10/10/2010-6:10pm at 6:10 pm (UTC -4)
AKA Backman (for both).
asod75
10/10/2010-6:40pm at 6:40 pm (UTC -4)
My thoughts exactly, Prismo.
njstuckintx
10/10/2010-8:06pm at 8:06 pm (UTC -4)
I concur. Let’s get this locked up in 3-4 days time.
GravediggerHebner
10/10/2010-8:50pm at 8:50 pm (UTC -4)
Ironic given that many in Metsland have said “if the next manager is Backman then it means the new GM is a puppet of the Wilpons.”
metsfan4decades
10/10/2010-6:02pm at 6:02 pm (UTC -4)
And if I’m not mistaken, our very own Ceetar’s wedding was/is today.
Congratulations to the bride and groom!
Enjoy Hawaii.
rustyjr
10/10/2010-7:14pm at 7:14 pm (UTC -4)
Take me with you !!!
metsfan4decades
10/10/2010-7:48pm at 7:48 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I know one guy we don’t want to look at for 2nd base next year. That would be the current Braves Brooks Conrad playing 2nd tonight. 3 errors in the game and he just pulled a Bill Buckner to allow the go ahead run for Giants to score in the top of the 9th.
Hmm….wonder if Wags would have closed out the 9th with no drama.
So far NL post season play has feature nothing but stellar pitching and the worst fielding seen in years.
metsfan4decades
10/10/2010-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
‘Brooks Conrad: 1st to make a fielding error (non-throwing) on a hit ball to bring in go-ahead run in 9th or later of postseason game since Buckner.’
Ouch.
kistics
10/11/2010-8:35am at 8:35 am (UTC -4)
Feel bad for the guy, but feeling good for the Giants. Phils/Bravos NLCS is a nightmare for us.