According to this tweet from Adam Rubin He tweets:
“Heard this: The Mets are closing in on a deal with veteran right-hander Chris Young, who would fit their park perfectly.”
Nov 29
Breaking News !!! Mets Close To A Deal With Chris Young ?
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60 comments
Prismo
11/29/2010-7:31pm at 7:31 pm (UTC -4)
*insert MrNJ complaining about Rusty’s use of twitter here*
rustyjr
11/29/2010-7:32pm at 7:32 pm (UTC -4)
lol I try I try !!!!
Ceetar
11/29/2010-7:34pm at 7:34 pm (UTC -4)
Don’t worry about quotes. just link the twitter account like a URL, and literally quote what he said.
Mr North Jersey
11/29/2010-7:40pm at 7:40 pm (UTC -4)
Exactly.
Ceetar
11/29/2010-7:33pm at 7:33 pm (UTC -4)
Stop with this “fit their park perfectly” crap. half the games are on the road. sign quality pitchers, not ones that can get away with pitching badly.
That said, Chris Young is a good pitcher.
However, the Padres passed on his option and in his last start his fastball was 85-86. Now, that was recently back from shoulder surgery, but does it recover? He’s a lot like John Maine, only his healthy seasons were better.
kingman 26
11/29/2010-8:11pm at 8:11 pm (UTC -4)
They play half their games at home.
Signing pitchers whose styles fit the park is an excellent idea.
Why wouldn’t it be?
stickguy
11/29/2010-10:16pm at 10:16 pm (UTC -4)
I interpreted that as a request to sign better quality pitchers,not crappy ones that can have their sheer level of crapitude hidden by a spacious ballpark, at least 1/2 the time.
Ceetar
11/29/2010-10:43pm at 10:43 pm (UTC -4)
Exactly. Sign good pitchers. Keep in mind the other pitchers look better in Citi too, so the ‘benefit’ isn’t that great.
Although, signing a so-so pitcher cheap, and then selling high by inflating his value via Citi Field would be a shrewd move, and much like Billy Beane does/did with closers.
njstuckintx
11/29/2010-7:40pm at 7:40 pm (UTC -4)
The country music singer?!?
Mr North Jersey
11/29/2010-7:45pm at 7:45 pm (UTC -4)
I think that Alderson and DePodesta with their past affiliation with the Padres know more about Young than many other GM’s round the NL so they may feel that Young is a good risk/investment.
I have 3 links that I recommend for those seeking more data.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/youngch03.shtml
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/players/updates/517762
http://www.baseballinjurytool.com/playerresult.php?eliasID=432934
stickguy
11/29/2010-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
so now instead of former expos and nats, we will load up on former padres, Blue Jays, and Dodgers?
well, if nothing else, at least a better talent pool to pull from!
TRS86
11/30/2010-7:58am at 7:58 am (UTC -4)
Nothing like signing those damn French Californians.
Prismo
11/29/2010-7:49pm at 7:49 pm (UTC -4)
Can’t judge this until I see the contract.
Mr North Jersey
11/29/2010-7:50pm at 7:50 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed Prismo.
njstuckintx
11/29/2010-7:52pm at 7:52 pm (UTC -4)
10-4!
oleosmirf
11/29/2010-8:21pm at 8:21 pm (UTC -4)
well we know its gonna be 1 year only thats for sure
njstuckintx
11/29/2010-7:51pm at 7:51 pm (UTC -4)
Wanny’s not going to be thrilled with Young’s walk ratio. 4,2 in 2008, 4.7 in 2009 and 5.0 in 2010 (was only 2 games).
kingman 26
11/29/2010-8:14pm at 8:14 pm (UTC -4)
But look at his hits allowed—good every year, and pretty amazing some years.
Even last year—20 IP and 11 BB, but only 10 hits!
Sure, he may not be healthy, but considering what is out there, I love this move.
njstuckintx
11/29/2010-8:21pm at 8:21 pm (UTC -4)
oh, i like the move. Or, should I say, I’ll like the move dependent upon the cost. Just in perspective to what Wanny was saying about walks (even though that may have been specifically for relievers…)
I’ve no issue with this move at all if he’s brought in to compete for the 5th spot. I’m not giving him the #3 just yet. Upside galore, thought, so could be a very nice addition. Good move.
kingman 26
11/29/2010-8:26pm at 8:26 pm (UTC -4)
Agree all around…but still, the pretty unusually low hits allowed numbers have to be taken into account with the walks….
wannybackstra
11/29/2010-8:19pm at 8:19 pm (UTC -4)
You are correct, NJ. But as you and others have agreed, this signing will be judged on its value. If it’s a low risk make good contract and he gives them a dozen healthy starts for little or no money then even I can’t complain about a few too many walks.
But if they pay him as if he’s got a spot locked up in the rotation, then I can complain about his health and his walks.
TRS86
11/30/2010-8:02am at 8:02 am (UTC -4)
I think it will be split down the middle. Because of the market he will get an MLB deal and will be paid like a 4-5. So I would guess 1-5ish with incentives and a 2nd year option. Overpaying a little? Yeah. But again in this market, maybe not.
TRS86
11/30/2010-8:00am at 8:00 am (UTC -4)
True, he does walk a lot of hitters which keeps his innings down. Good with the bad. My hope is that he is a guy that finally puts it together. He has amazing stuff and most likely just needs to trust that stuff a little more.
stickguy
11/30/2010-9:25am at 9:25 am (UTC -4)
put that description together with the 2 years of bad shoulder and surgeries, and you got John Maine!
TRS86
11/30/2010-9:28am at 9:28 am (UTC -4)
Except John Maine never had the potential of Chris Young. Young’s WHIP were above average and factor that in with his obscene H/9.
kingman 26
11/29/2010-8:10pm at 8:10 pm (UTC -4)
Considering what is out there and available, I like this a lot.
This is not Omar; it’s not going to be a ridiculous deal.
oleosmirf
11/29/2010-8:27pm at 8:27 pm (UTC -4)
look at his lines in his 3 games he pitched at the end of Sept last season. Granted he only went 4 IP, 5 IP, 5 IP b/c of a pitch count but thats an encouraging sign nonetheless.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=youngch03&t=p&year=2010
kingman 26
11/29/2010-8:31pm at 8:31 pm (UTC -4)
The guy doesn’t allow any hits!
That has to be good….
njstuckintx
11/29/2010-8:38pm at 8:38 pm (UTC -4)
It has to be the park!!!!
Mr North Jersey
11/29/2010-8:39pm at 8:39 pm (UTC -4)
how will he handle the cold April of 2011?
njstuckintx
11/29/2010-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
He’ll still be recovering from a thyroid issue, so he’ll be warm in FL.
oleosmirf
11/29/2010-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
the same way he does/did when he plays Colorado, SF or any of the other cold weather teams on the road in April
Mr North Jersey
11/29/2010-8:53pm at 8:53 pm (UTC -4)
i should of noted in parenthesis (sarcasm) .
kingman 26
11/29/2010-8:55pm at 8:55 pm (UTC -4)
“It has to be the park!!!!
”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gonzo Will
11/29/2010-8:38pm at 8:38 pm (UTC -4)
I guess Sandy getting in the game.
oleosmirf
11/29/2010-8:59pm at 8:59 pm (UTC -4)
i knew this was too good to be true
http://twitter.com/StevePopper/status/9418641573421056#
stickguy
11/29/2010-10:22pm at 10:22 pm (UTC -4)
they always say that, 5 minutes before the deal is announced!
I do like it. hell, add Kyle Davies (assuming he is non-tendered) to make Real pee in his pants, and we got some pitchers to sort through.
Young can be the injury rehab wing and a prayer guy. Davies will be the good stuff, healthy, but will he ever put it together guy.
Of course, it would be nice to add “good pitcher and healthy” guy, but they are a lot harder to find!
and still time for a trade.
oleosmirf
11/29/2010-10:47pm at 10:47 pm (UTC -4)
honestly though if Ollie and Castillo are gone and our rotation is Dickey, Pelf, Niese, Young, Gee i mean i can live with that
stickguy
11/29/2010-10:55pm at 10:55 pm (UTC -4)
if ollie and castillo are both gone, you can be in the rotation and I will still have a net increase in my happiness %!
Prismo
11/29/2010-10:24pm at 10:24 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you Buster Olney.
I’m so ****ing sick of beat writers.
wannybackstra
11/29/2010-10:49pm at 10:49 pm (UTC -4)
but buster isn’t a beat writer.
Prismo
11/29/2010-10:52pm at 10:52 pm (UTC -4)
you know what i mean
stickguy
11/29/2010-11:20pm at 11:20 pm (UTC -4)
I understand that Tulo is quite good, but this can’t possibly drive Reyes’s price down.
I still that that if they let him play out the year, he is gone, goodbye!
9:22pm: Renck now says (on Twitter) that the extension will pay Tulowitzki $130MM over seven years from 2014-2020
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njstuckintx
11/29/2010-11:40pm at 11:40 pm (UTC -4)
Amen.
metsfan4decades
11/30/2010-1:35am at 1:35 am (UTC -4)
7 yr/130MM?
This one surprise me. He’s only half way through the 6 year extension they gave him to begin with.
TRS86
11/30/2010-7:54am at 7:54 am (UTC -4)
That being said, wouldn’t this also mean that he would ask for the moon in an extension as well? If so, take the 2 picks and move on.
metsfan4decades
11/30/2010-1:36am at 1:36 am (UTC -4)
Young?
I guess we have to take a chance on someone out there, considering we’re 2 pitchers short for the starting 5, never mind needed depth.
If this is true, wonder what the terms of this deal will be?
kistics
11/30/2010-8:26am at 8:26 am (UTC -4)
I would assume a one year deal with lots of incentives. Something similar to Kelvim Escobar type of deal $1.25-1.5M w/incentives.
TRS86
11/30/2010-8:36am at 8:36 am (UTC -4)
I have to think that in this market for a guy like Young it will be more than 1.25 and closer to 5. Perhaps a little less but this is a pitching then market, you are going to have to overpay.
kistics
11/30/2010-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
For a guy who has never pitched 200 innings and has been injured past 3 seasons, $5M guaranteed is little too steep, no?
Given the pitching market, I’m content with $3M + incentives (to $6-7M)
I think he was paid $6+M last season.
TRS86
11/30/2010-8:55am at 8:55 am (UTC -4)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosajo01.shtml
De La Rosa, while obviously slightly healthier (only made 20 starts last year) has also never pitched 200 innings and just got 3/33. When healthy, Young is a much better pitcher. While I like De La Rosa, the guy has pitched 32 starts once in his career and after that his high is 23. So again, in this market, I would take the 1-5 and run.
njstuckintx
11/30/2010-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
You’re talking 130, 185 & 121.2 innings vs. 102, 76, 20. I would hope for 3-4 mil + incentives.
TRS86
11/30/2010-9:21am at 9:21 am (UTC -4)
Right, there is a big difference. That is why DeRosa got 3/33. We are splitting hairs. If the Mets can get him for 1/3-4 fine. If they have to go 1/5 then I won’t complain at all.
njstuckintx
11/30/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Me either!
TRS86
11/30/2010-7:53am at 7:53 am (UTC -4)
I hope this is true. This is one of the guys I have been touting for a while. He and Davies. But regardless of the 2nd one, Young is still young, got good stuff and could rebound into an upper rotation type guy.
TRS86
11/30/2010-8:10am at 8:10 am (UTC -4)
You know the Dodgers are really making a nice rotation
Lilly, Kershaw, Garland, Kuroda, Billingsley
njstuckintx
11/30/2010-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, it’s fairly solid. Too bad they have have their own Castillo of sorts in Uribe…
TRS86
11/30/2010-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Uribe provides them something they need however. He’s more like a Valentin than a Castillo. If he provides them what he did the Giants last year it will be a good deal.
njstuckintx
11/30/2010-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
Was more referencing the contract. They’ll come to not like it so much in year 2 would be my guess.
TRS86
11/30/2010-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
Oh I agree. But in that division if he provides what he did last year it makes them a whole lot better.