Deal is done. A gon headed to #redsox. Press conf expected tomorrow
Jon Heyman
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Dec 05
AGonz Headed To “The Green Monster”
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21 comments
metsfan4decades
12/5/2010-8:54pm at 8:54 pm (UTC -4)
Reading this over on MLBTR. I didn’t know AGonz had some shoulder problem….
Wonder what this contract will look like when they do that extension.
stickguy
12/5/2010-9:01pm at 9:01 pm (UTC -4)
he had surgery after the season.
so this means they decided to do the deal anyway, without the extension? Interesting.
Mr North Jersey
12/5/2010-9:07pm at 9:07 pm (UTC -4)
no i believe they r doing an extension stick.
metsfan4decades
12/5/2010-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, that’s what I’m reading. Want to see how the shoulder looks in ST and if they do the extension after, then it doesn’t count towards the luxury tax for ’11. I didn’t know the Red Sox were that close to that tax.
stickguy
12/5/2010-9:20pm at 9:20 pm (UTC -4)
yeah just checked at MLBTR, and they aren’t doing an extension officially before opening day.
Mr North Jersey
12/5/2010-9:19pm at 9:19 pm (UTC -4)
turns out u r correct stick. according to tweets sox will announce trade but no extension. at least not yet possibly to examine his shoulder like u suggested.
njstuckintx
12/5/2010-9:54pm at 9:54 pm (UTC -4)
Marcum to the Brewers.
Is it me or is this offseason seen some pretty big names change teams already?
stickguy
12/5/2010-9:56pm at 9:56 pm (UTC -4)
forgot all about him. I do recall him being bandied about as a trade candidate last year. I wonder how good the pitching prospects are?
would have been an interesting option for the Mets.
njstuckintx
12/5/2010-9:59pm at 9:59 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I’m a big fan o’ his. Would have loved to see him in Orange and Blue. It’s tough to match up on trades when all the gradings put the Mets minor league system so low.
stickguy
12/5/2010-10:04pm at 10:04 pm (UTC -4)
they seem to be mid pack or so at this point.
but you don’t have to be top rated, just have enough interesting pieces to get the deal done. Just don’t expect to do too many more after that.
oleosmirf
12/5/2010-10:51pm at 10:51 pm (UTC -4)
for those who want to trade Reyes lets look at what San Diego got in return: 3 prospects only one of which in the “top 100″ none of which having big league experience. If Gonzalez who is a top 5 hitter in the game got that package do you really think Reyes (coming off 2 subpar seasons in a row) will get anything close to that…
Prismo
12/5/2010-11:05pm at 11:05 pm (UTC -4)
Well to be fair, it’s not like the Red Sox (or any team) has several players in the top 100. So, that’s kind of a silly way to phrase it. However, the Red Sox *did* trade their #1, #3, and a mid-teen prospect (as well as a PTBNL) which is a very large haul. They traded practically everything they could (two of their top top top prospects, and more).
But I agree with you, of course, that Reyes would not net nearly that. If I had to guess, I’d say maybe one top-10 prospect on a team and a lower/mid level prospect. Not a #1 or #3 though probably.
oleosmirf
12/5/2010-11:20pm at 11:20 pm (UTC -4)
i dont care how they rank in the other teams organization, all i care is how good the prospects are and I dont see how we would get anything worth while…
stickguy
12/6/2010-12:15am at 12:15 am (UTC -4)
really hard to compare by # ranking like that. And it doesn’t tell you much.
Even though there will never be a direct correlation, about the best thing for discussion is translating into Met prospects. So, if you tell me they got Neise circa 2009 off season, or Mejia, + Player X and Y, that at least gives you a frame of reference!
metsfan4decades
12/5/2010-11:06pm at 11:06 pm (UTC -4)
Well, this is interesting over on NY Times:
Madoff Case Lingers as Menace to Mets
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/sports/baseball/06mets.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
‘Although there had been widespread speculation that the Wilpons lost money in the Ponzi scheme, an account called Mets Limited Partnership put a total of $522.7 million into Madoff accounts and withdrew $570.5, a profit of $47.8 million, according to a 2009 bankruptcy court filing made by Picard in New York that detailed the “net winners.”
‘With the Wilpons emerging as alleged net winners, they remain a target for Picard, who has until midnight Saturday to file lawsuits to recover money that was withdrawn from Madoff accounts before the scheme’s collapse or to seek punitive damages from those involved in the withdrawals.’
It goes on further:
‘In addition, a lawsuit could force the Wilpons to repay tens of millions of dollars just as they are trying to rebuild the Mets under a new general manager and manager, and as they try to cope with the largest drop in attendance in Major League Baseball in 2010. ‘
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All I can say is if the Wilpons are included in this suit to recoup profits, the rumors of the Mets = broke will never end…..
oleosmirf
12/5/2010-11:23pm at 11:23 pm (UTC -4)
and honestly I could care less at this point
njstuckintx
12/5/2010-11:25pm at 11:25 pm (UTC -4)
So all this poor man talk for the wilpon’s was all crap and they actually were better off than they started? So really, all this reducing of the payroll had nothing to do with the Madoff nonsense. I’m not saying they need to spend big, but being in the biggest market in the US, with your own network, and all we hear is they have little to no flexibility with the payroll?!?! I’m smart enough to acknowledge that I’m not a genius, but I also did not fall out of the onion cart yesterday morning.
metsfan4decades
12/5/2010-11:36pm at 11:36 pm (UTC -4)
lol….’fall out of the onion cart’. One of my favorite sayings is ‘I didn’t just come down in the last shower of rain, you know’…..
I’ve been reading the back and forth debate on a couple of Met blogs tonight on the money issue. Some don’t give a damn if the Wilpons lost money or not – they just want a #2 starter, a second baseman and a big bat (that we never got) to replace Delgado.
My opinion this off season is not so much they don’t have or won’t spend $$. It’s the FA market is pretty slim for pitchers (Lee notwithstanding which I didn’t want anyway).
I certainly didn’t want to see the Mets pay no 126MIL/7 years for the likes of Werth and Crawford isn’t coming here either.
If the right trade presents itself, I have no doubt Sandy will pull the trigger. Have no idea though if it will present itself b/c our current crop of near ready prospects is a little thin.
As far as trading Reyes, Oleo makes a very good point above.
So basically it’s boiling down to seeing what this team looks like in 2011 while picking up a couple of needed pieces to fill out the rotation/BP/bench. Then reevalute after a half a year or at end of season.
I don’t know if that’s the best move or not but it’s shaping up to be part of Sandy’s master plan.
njstuckintx
12/5/2010-11:36pm at 11:36 pm (UTC -4)
Fongy! Now that was a game! W – H – E – W!!!
And what the heck is wrong with the refs, not calling a penalty on the Miller hit? They better fine the crap out of that guy.
fongy2
12/6/2010-8:14am at 8:14 am (UTC -4)
Ya know, I hate sounding like one of those cry baby, we’re being picked on types BUT doesn’t it seem like there are now two sets of rules for The Steelers and everyone else???
Bad calls through out the game against us like the McFadden interference on an uncatchable ball out of bounds AND no calls
on the Miller hit, Ben’s broken nose AND At LEAST 4or5 obvious
holds on Harrison and Woodley? I mean…C’mon!!!…Really!!!…
It’s become crazy! All well and fine that the league will hit The Ravens for cash on that hit BUT how does that help us???
Heath Miller’s lucky he’s not in a wheel chair for the rest of his life on that. And on Jason Werth, which I didn’t find out about until late
last night….When did The Nats become The Yankees???
THAT contract for a solid but not even an Allstar type player???
The5th or 6th best player on The Phillies???…C’mon!
njstuckintx
12/6/2010-9:02am at 9:02 am (UTC -4)
Troy is making his case for MVP. How important is that guy to that team!