" Best wishes perpetual Pedro"
According to the Bergan Record’s Bob Klapisch,The Yankees are closing in on a deal with with former Mets reliever, Pedro Feliciano.
Feliciano, 34, possess a rubber arm and is effective against left-handed hitters ( especially with the names such as Howard).In the past three seasons, Feliciano has led the National League in appearances for the Mets.
Yes it will bother me if Pedro signs on with the Yanks , but I maintain that his best years are behind him. I feel that his overuse in the last couple of seasons will hinder his effectiveness. Besides it will give me great pleasure to take a draft pick away from the Yankees.
62 comments
wannybackstra
12/16/2010-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
No pick from the Yanks. It’s a supplemental pick.
Anyway, my feelings on Pedro going to the Yanks range from “whatever” to “couldn’t care less.”
rustyjr
12/16/2010-1:57pm at 1:57 pm (UTC -4)
just say goodbye Pedro – hello sangwhich pick !
kistics
12/16/2010-2:06pm at 2:06 pm (UTC -4)
Goodbye Pedro… you were always the better Pedro.
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
No surprise there.
Gee….how did Philly miss out on Feliciano? Was surprised they weren’t all in on him too.
kistics
12/16/2010-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
They will swoop in the last minute and sign him to $100M/5year deal.
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-2:25pm at 2:25 pm (UTC -4)
That wouldn’t surprise me either.
Mr North Jersey
12/16/2010-2:35pm at 2:35 pm (UTC -4)
Here u go for all the optimists out there.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5926200
Prismo
12/16/2010-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
Well, you’re not an optimist if you think that scenario is a possibility. That would make you a realist.
Anything is possible, a 95 win season, a 55 win season, more likely something in between… But you can always have hope! (unless you’re a Pirates fan)
Ceetar
12/16/2010-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
I think that article is a little too mathematical in how it breaks it down. Makes it seem like the season is a formula, and it’s not. But yeah, that’s the formula for a 95+ win season, but there are probably scenarios, a little less exaggerated, for closer to 90, and also situations where that’s around where the Phillies end up too.
oleosmirf
12/16/2010-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
its unrealistically optomistic…
kingman 26
12/16/2010-4:10pm at 4:10 pm (UTC -4)
That’s being charitable.
I wonder if folks realize how often the Mets have won 95 in their history?
This is a 75 win team; 80 if EVERY offensive player improves from last year.
To me it is fun to be realistic.
I predicted 83 wins last year and was suddenly a pessimist.
kingman 26
12/16/2010-4:12pm at 4:12 pm (UTC -4)
A 95 win season is not remotely possible.
Prismo
12/16/2010-4:24pm at 4:24 pm (UTC -4)
You were such a flip-floppy fan last season, you’ve lost your right to make a prediction.
You started off super-pessimistic, but when the team started winning you hopped on the bandwagon and was one of the more optimistic members of the site. Then when things fell apart you dropped to a new low of pessimism, which is where you still stand today.
I guarantee (regardless if you deny it) that if the Mets play .600 baseball the first month of the season you’ll hop on the optimism bandwagon.
Sorry for being a jerk, but you pounce on others nonstop, and it’s about time for you to get a taste of your own medicine!
kingman 26
12/16/2010-4:46pm at 4:46 pm (UTC -4)
That is totally exaggerated and inaccurate, but what I should expect.
I was briefly optimistic in late May and early June and quickly returned to reality when the team did.
I became realistic after 2009 and remain so today.
kingman 26
12/16/2010-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
Oh and before 2010 I predicted a maximum of 83 wins and 3rd place–which I never wavered from.
So in addition to your other compliments regarding my 2010 comments you can feel free to add “correct” and “right on the money.”
rustyjr
12/16/2010-4:57pm at 4:57 pm (UTC -4)
Just read the Mo Vaughn part of my infamy column Kong – that should make you smile
Prismo
12/16/2010-4:59pm at 4:59 pm (UTC -4)
Uhh you were 4 wins off. That is neither correct or right on the money. Not that 83 was a bad prediction (I believe I also went for the low-mid 80s in wins), but it’s nothing fantastic. You predicted a team would finish the season near .500, amazing. Guess what – if coming within 4 wins is “correct,” then you correctly predicted the seasons for over 1/4 of MLB teams in 2010. Bravo, an all-encompassing prediction.
kingman 26
12/16/2010-5:13pm at 5:13 pm (UTC -4)
Impressive and erudite attack Prismo! I am both cowed and intimidated.
kingman 26
12/16/2010-5:19pm at 5:19 pm (UTC -4)
I did very much enjoy today’s infamy—and the Mo comment was indeed funny and quite frightening!
Prismo
12/16/2010-5:20pm at 5:20 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you Kingman, but in all honesty I was being a complete ass.
(although again, any slight made against your prediction can also be applied to mine)
Anyway, the point is…that I don’t like it when people attack those who believe there is some level of hope in 2010, even if it’s only minuscule odds. Ceetar isn’t going to predict a 95-win team for the Mets, but I’ll be damned if I won’t defend his right to believe that the possibility for 95 wins (or 90+ wins, if you must) is out there.
Once again, I’d probably stick with a low-mid 80s wins estimate (which as I just pointed out, is relatively safe ground). However, I think 90 wins is possible (however improbably) and 70 wins is possible (maybe slightly more probably, unfortunately).
If Ceetar or myself actually predict a 95 win season, then please…have at him. But only suggesting that there is a low-probability scenario where that happens shouldn’t warrant an attack.
Prismo
12/16/2010-5:25pm at 5:25 pm (UTC -4)
Yikes, think I made 3 typos in there. You know it’s the end of the semester when…
kingman 26
12/16/2010-6:54pm at 6:54 pm (UTC -4)
“A 95 win season is not a remote possibility.”
This is an attack??
Wow.
Mr North Jersey
12/16/2010-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
Stop being so analytical and just enjoy the article.
Ceetar
12/16/2010-2:58pm at 2:58 pm (UTC -4)
The assumption that the Mets only have like 4 batters in the lineup kinda bothered me.
Mr North Jersey
12/16/2010-2:59pm at 2:59 pm (UTC -4)
Tough crowd!
Mr North Jersey
12/16/2010-3:00pm at 3:00 pm (UTC -4)
Did it?
oleosmirf
12/16/2010-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
it did mention Thole/Paulino, Davis and Murphy/Emaus
Ceetar
12/16/2010-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
Only in passing really. It put the brunt of the offensive improvement (8 WAR) on the “core four”
Ceetar
12/16/2010-3:12pm at 3:12 pm (UTC -4)
Although that’s the easiest part of the case. The ‘best year’ WAR for those four is something like 27, and he’s only wanting them at 20. It’s all on their health there, and personally I think Davis adds more than ‘expected’.
I really like the pitching too, provided they fill it out with solid additions and are quick to replace junk (or quick to fix it) I lose a little faith with Warthen involved in that process, but i like the variety on the pitching staff.
oleosmirf
12/16/2010-4:40pm at 4:40 pm (UTC -4)
well Bay was healthy and only hit 6 HR. that needs to be quadrupled…Beltran will be fine (which he showed in the last month) if he is on the field and not battling injuries/pain. Reyes will be fine if healthy and Wright isnt a problem although it would be nice to see the old Wright (pre-2009).
the major question mark is the pitching where we will need all 5 SP to do something they’ve never done before…
Ceetar
12/16/2010-4:54pm at 4:54 pm (UTC -4)
And yet pitching was a plus last year. I’d take what I got from Pelfrey (preferably if he traded a couple of days of disaster and a couple of the shutout days and canceled them out to competitive starts) and Dickey. I expect Niese to have an improved year and not drop off at the end (when half the people still watching knew he should probably sit down) So a lot depends on those other two guys.
wannybackstra
12/16/2010-5:23pm at 5:23 pm (UTC -4)
I’m scratching my head as to how you could “really like the pitching.”
Pelfrey, Dickey, Niese is arguably the worst 1-3 in the NL (off the top of my head — at the very least, it’s certainly no where near top-tier) and it wouldn’t surprise me if they were all respectively among the very worst in their assigned slots.
kingman 26
12/16/2010-6:49pm at 6:49 pm (UTC -4)
Wanny thank you….I did not even know what to say to that.
TRS86
12/16/2010-7:03pm at 7:03 pm (UTC -4)
Pitching is a concern. Here’s a question however, last year many players did not live up to expectations, Bay, Reyes, Beltran. 2B and Catcher were big holes. So my question is, is it that far of a stretch to expect MUCH better years from all of those? If we get that and this was a 79 win team last year how would they be worse this year? I know Johan was big but you are talking 11-9 W-L.
Thus as currently constructed and assuming we get a little depth and another risk pitcher I assume just what I did last year (and based on Kingman saying he was correct at 4 wins off I will also say I was correct.). 82-88 wins.
kingman 26
12/16/2010-10:19pm at 10:19 pm (UTC -4)
Oh you definitely were correct with the 88 win playoff prediction.
I am sure it will be correct for next year too.
I hope you weren’t crying too at my vicious attack up above.
TRS86
12/17/2010-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
As usual you are spinning away. I said from the beginning 82-88 wins and missing the playoffs but in the WC hunt. I, like you, missed it and the Mets underachieved our modest predictions. Not too many on here that predicted a division crown or even a playoff berth.
As for crying over your comments, lol, do you actually think you have that big of an impact on anyone?
At least you can say one thing about me, I am consistent. 82-88 wins for next year.
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-7:40pm at 7:40 pm (UTC -4)
IDK guys….predictions – how many games the team will wn/lose – is almost an exercise in futility. That’s why I usually don’t do it.
Did anyone here predict the division would be locked up by the ASB in 2006? Especially seeing as we used something like 12 SPs that season to accomplish that due to injuries….
I will say this….can we just sign RA to a multi year contract now? If for no other reason than it gives me something to look forward to every 5th night. And that’s his post game interviews. Just tuned into Mets Hot Stove on SNY. KB had a lengthy interview with RA in his home. I can listen to Dickey talk all night.
TRS86
12/16/2010-7:44pm at 7:44 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Of course the Pads improved 15 wins last year. That could NEVER happen to the Mets. It’s because of all the incredible talent the Pads had and great uh… well…
Of course runs like that are not likely but because it’s baseball, entirely possible.
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-7:50pm at 7:50 pm (UTC -4)
True. It’s possible, just not probably.
There is no doubt our current pitching staff leaves a lot to be desired (especially since Johan is missing).
Sometimes though, you just never know….And that’s why I love baseball and watch just about every game. It’s all about that young kid I was back in ’69 and watching what unfolded there. That year stuck and even though it’s more than 40 years later, I always have that hope….
TRS86
12/16/2010-7:54pm at 7:54 pm (UTC -4)
Generated 12/16/2010.
TRS86
12/16/2010-7:58pm at 7:58 pm (UTC -4)
Not really an intimidating SP staff.
Just a bunch of average to slightly above average guys.
Generated 12/16/2010.
oleosmirf
12/16/2010-10:43pm at 10:43 pm (UTC -4)
now look at their bullpen…
njstuckintx
12/16/2010-10:47pm at 10:47 pm (UTC -4)
Stellar point.
TRS86
12/17/2010-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
Right, but look at their pen going in. It’s not like the pen was a major weakness for the Mets either. I am not sure the Pads expected career years out of so many guys in their pen. Thatcher? Staufer? For that matter even Heath Bell cut his ERA by almost a full run.
We all know that BP’s are volatile. That same pen may not be a strength next year.
Again, I am not saying it’s likely the Mets can be the Padres of last year. I am saying there is at least the possibility which is what is great about baseball.
TRS86
12/16/2010-7:50pm at 7:50 pm (UTC -4)
Bored.
Reds: 78 84 0 .481 4th of 6
: 91 71 0 .562 1st of 6
Rays also picked up 12 wins.
Of course because we are the Mets things like this are just impossible. There is not even a remote chance of things like this happening.
Now I wait for the excuses like, Well the Mets don’t have blah blah…
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-8:40pm at 8:40 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, it’s just been too many years since ’69.
I left SNY on after Hot Stove. They did the 1969 Yearbook. At the end, it was commented:
No matter how tough a task, no matter what life has thrown my way since that seems insurmountable – I bring to mind what we did in ’69. If the Mets could win the WS that year, well then anything is possible’
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-7:46pm at 7:46 pm (UTC -4)
Hot Stove also had a lengthy interview with Beltran.
Even David Lennon commented afterwards there’s more to Beltran than anyone has given him credit for….
Beltran quietly threw former Mets managers under the bus. Said this team needs a little fire and it’s been lacking since he’s been here. Said from what he’s gathered about Collins he’s passionate about the game and backing your team up, ‘throwing chairs around in the clubhouse’ when it’s necessary has been missing.
Whoa……
I like Beltran, I always have and never understood the criticism from some Met fans. So what that he’s quietly serious (and mature) and may not be a leader? Not everyone is.
Beltran went on to say that his knee is so much better than the last 2 years and he still thinks he can play CF as he’s always done. Said the Mets have not approached him about playing RF but if they do, he’s certainly going to do whatever is necessary for the good of the team.
You go, Carlos.
TRS86
12/16/2010-7:59pm at 7:59 pm (UTC -4)
I have always and still like Carlos. Still not sure, however, if it’s best that they keep him or not.
rustyjr
12/16/2010-8:24pm at 8:24 pm (UTC -4)
he w ill be gone by the asb if he is healthy and the mets are out of contention
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
For sure – I agree. Especially since we cannot offer him arbitration and get anything when he walks end of season.
TRS86
12/16/2010-8:43pm at 8:43 pm (UTC -4)
Thing is it’s not like we would have anyway. Would you have taken a chance on paying him 20M in 2012?
rustyjr
12/16/2010-8:50pm at 8:50 pm (UTC -4)
id love to say yes but 2 bum knees – i cant do it
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-8:54pm at 8:54 pm (UTC -4)
Probably not. But if Beltran has a very good year, and we just offered him the one year arbitration, he might have turned that down looking for one last multi year contract. I
TRS86
12/16/2010-9:02pm at 9:02 pm (UTC -4)
True but it would have been really risky.
TRS86
12/16/2010-9:02pm at 9:02 pm (UTC -4)
Not to mention, after not playing the year before I don’t know how likely it would even be that he would be a type A.
rustyjr
12/16/2010-8:23pm at 8:23 pm (UTC -4)
that was john harper hon
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-8:37pm at 8:37 pm (UTC -4)
Shoot, Rusty….I knew that….
Have no idea why I said Lennon – LOL…..
rustyjr
12/16/2010-9:41pm at 9:41 pm (UTC -4)
Btw anyone seen stick ?
njstuckintx
12/16/2010-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
No. Hopefully he’s just having a beer with Grave.
And is that you on FWICG.com? the white shirt, black shorts waaaaaaaaaayyyyyy in the back of the picture of the post about the Mets & Blogs?
rustyjr
12/16/2010-10:27pm at 10:27 pm (UTC -4)
I plead the fifth
metsfan4decades
12/16/2010-9:58pm at 9:58 pm (UTC -4)
No…and I was wondering myself where he’s been the past several days. He’s usually a staple on here daily.
Hope everything’s alright.
TRS86
12/17/2010-9:12am at 9:12 am (UTC -4)
Most likely got tired of any positive thought being shot down like a blimp over enemy lines.