" Will he be the go in as Met a Dodger a Athletic a Marlin or a Padre ?"
First off I would like to congratulate both Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar on their upcoming inductions into te Baseball Hall of Fame. I might have detested Alomar in his two seasons as a Met , but there is no denying that in his pre Mets career that he was one of the premier second basemen in the game.
In two short years one of the most important Mets ever, Mike Piazza, will be eligible to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. In most fans and sportswriters opinions he is a shoo in to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. But what hat will he be wearing upon his induction – that of a Los Angeles Dodger or of a New York Met ?
Unfortunately because of teams like the Tampa Bay Rays “bribing” players such as Wade Boggs to be enshrined with their cap on a Hall of Fame committee now chooses what team the player should be inducted as a player of. If you remember we got screwed with Gary Carter because even though he helped propel the Mets to at winning two pennants and a World Series, he was arguably still better known as a Expo.
But back to Mike Piazza .
Here are his stats for both the Mets and the Dodgers
| G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | OPS+ | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | Pos | Awards | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| NYM (8 yrs) | 972 | 3941 | 3478 | 532 | 1028 | 193 | 2 | 220 | 655 | 7 | 9 | 424 | 546 | .296 | .373 | .542 | .915 | 136 | 1885 | 132 | 17 | 0 | 22 | 82 | |||||
| LAD (7 yrs) | 726 | 3017 | 2707 | 443 | 896 | 115 | 3 | 177 | 563 | 10 | 11 | 283 | 440 | .331 | .394 | .572 | .966 | 159 | 1548 | 75 | 10 | 0 | 17 | 62 | |||||
Piazza played one year more with the Mets than the Dodgers and his stats seem to be pretty consistent . He did win the MVP award during his days in Los Angeles , but you can make the argument that he was robbed of the award back in ’00.
I also think that when you mention Piazza’s name , most people will associate him with the Mets rather than the Dodgers. He will always be remembered for that heart stopping home run against the Braves 10 days after 9/11 or that epic comeback where he hit that mammoth homer back in ’99.
I am just keeping my fingers crossed that he will become the first player since Seaver to wear a Mets cap when being inducted into immortality.
Your thoughts or opinions ?
And with that said…. HERE COMES THE INFAMY !!!!
Mets alumni celebrating birthdays today include:
Middle reliever from ’63-’64 ,Ed Bauta is 76 (1935) .
Reserve third baseman from ’75-’77, Roy Staiger is 61 (1950) .
Mets premier pinch hitter from ’06-’09, Marlon Anderson is 36 (1974) . Marlon I believe was a strong clubhouse force during his tenure with the Mets. It doesn’t surprise me that after he was released in the first week of the ’09 season the Mets started their downward spiral.
Middle reliever from the ’09 season, Casey Fossum, is 33 (1978) . I still don’t understand why Omar released him so early in the season. He was pitching well, and I feel he was a quality arm for a shaky bullpen.
New York Mets signed free agent reliever, Braden Looper of the Florida Marlins on January 6, 2004. In retrospect I feel that Looper was given a raw deal by most Mets fans. He might not have been lights out as a closer, but he did play through a bad shoulder injury in his last season as a Met , and never used it as a excuse for his ineffectiveness.
New York Mets traded catcher/first baseman, Vance Wilson to the Detroit Tigers for Anderson Hernandez on January 6, 2005. Hernandez proved to be a decent back up infielder his first time around, but when he was re-obtained by the Mets in ’09 his defensive range has woefully eroded.
Tampa Bay Rays signed back up catcher, Mike DiFelice of the New York Mets as a free agent on January 6, 2008.
And if you are still venting that John Franco didn’t garner enough votes to be elected into the Hall of Fame , just remember that there are just 85 days until the Mets open the 2011 season against the Florida Marlins in Miami and 92 days until the Mets 2011 home opener against the Washington Nationals at Citi Field.
Mo Vaughn is elated that he has been elected to the Thorton Mellon Big and Tall Man’s Hall of Fame !!
103 comments
njstuckintx
1/6/2011-8:43am at 8:43 am (UTC -4)
I think he does go in as a Met.
kistics
1/6/2011-8:49am at 8:49 am (UTC -4)
Piazza won a MVP?
njstuckintx
1/6/2011-8:51am at 8:51 am (UTC -4)
Most Valuable Piazza.
rustyjr
1/6/2011-8:52am at 8:52 am (UTC -4)
I believe he did in ’90
fongy2
1/6/2011-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
No. Finished 2nd twice, once to admitted steroider Ken Caminitti
and once to Larry Walker….Thanks Coors Field. Top 10 finisher
7 times, BUT he’s a lock and I think he goes in as a Met. Why wouldn’t he? More interesting I think are guys like Jeff Kent who
put up HOF numbers (for 2B) BUT whos numbers were greatly helped by what PEDs did for the guy hitting i/f/o him who was on-Base all the time and being Pitched around. How many RBIs and BA
points did Bonds’ cheating add to Kent?
TRS86
1/6/2011-9:27am at 9:27 am (UTC -4)
But man would that really suck for Kent.
fongy2
1/6/2011-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
Yes it would BUT don’t you have to consider it?
And TRS, you saw Kent’s whole career, did you think while
watching him….Hey, this is an ALL-Time great!?
Ceetar
1/6/2011-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
You mean like if Jeter didn’t play in a stacked lineup and an extra 10 games a year and in a bandbox?
TRS86
1/6/2011-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
Nah I don’t think I can consider it against him. That being said I have not looked enough at his numbers to know if I would vote him in or not. He certainly never gave me that shock factor.
fongy2
1/6/2011-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
Listen, no greater Yankee hater than me BUT Derek Jeter
is a first ballot HOFer.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Not in question. I was talking about Kent.
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
Gotcha. Look, I always liked Kent BUT again don’t you
have to consider just how much Bonds helped Kent?
Again, I ask while you were watching his career did
Kent strike you as an all time great?
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:53am at 10:53 am (UTC -4)
He certainly never gave me that shock factor.
Ceetar
1/6/2011-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
only because he’s a SS.
my point is RBIs are flawed anyway, and are like 95% based on the lineup and team you’re on. and gives an advantage to the AL too.
So I don’t think you should penalize Kent in anyway, but definitely look at how his numbers compare to other hitters in those years, did he lead the league? etc.
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
Yeah but he was a SS. And an epic winner AND the
most important player on the best team for a decade.
He’s gonna end up with 3500 hits, he’s a career .314
hitter with a .385 obp, well over 300 sb, 200 hr, hes
gonna end up with 1300-1400 rbi hitting 1st or 2nd
AND is one of the alltime great post season players
AND one of the all time great clutch players.
Ceetar
1/6/2011-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
No given he gets to 3500 hits. my point is most of those numbers are a factor of his situation. The same way you’re saying Kent’s were. the RBI’s being in a stacked lineup (an at least equally steroid-stacked lineup/team, btw) where you actually have hitters 8-9-1? the short porch in RF?
the ability to put up his career average numbers in the postseason due to longevity?
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:55am at 10:55 am (UTC -4)
Are we seriously doubting Jeter as a HOF player?
Seriously?
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:59am at 10:59 am (UTC -4)
Ceetar…. c’mon! I hate the yankees more than anyone here BUT this is Derek friggin’ Jeter we’re
talking about. O.K. so not 3500 hits, 3400?,3300?
Take a look at the names i/f/o him at that point.
And again, on the biggest stage at the most important
times has been an alltime clutch player and winner.
kistics
1/6/2011-11:08am at 11:08 am (UTC -4)
I know Jeter was with the lineup of good hitters all his career. But you can’t count that against him. IF that’s the case, all the great Yankees should be in question.
TRS86
1/6/2011-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
Agreed.
stickguy
1/6/2011-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think Ceetar is saying jeter does not go into the HOF. Just making a piont about context (like you did with Kent and Bonds).
If Jeter had come up with KC or San DIego (or many other teams) and played his whole career there, how much differerent would his aura and numbers be? If he only made the PS 1-2 tiems and got bounced in the 1st round?
That is where team support factor comes in.
Actually, I always wondered how much differently Ripkin would have been looked at if he had tweaked his hammy and missed a couple of games every 1000 or so. Take away the Iron man aura, and do you change your opinion of his greatness at all?
stickguy
1/6/2011-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
Kistic, your point is actually valid about many of the yankees over time.
TRS86
1/6/2011-11:13am at 11:13 am (UTC -4)
Based on position, Stick, Ripken would still be a HOF.
fongy2
1/6/2011-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
BUT Jeter didn’t come up with The Pods or Royals.
Yes he’s a HOFer b/c he was a yankee BUT would these Yankees have had the same success without
HIM?…And that’s part of the deal, is Mazerowski in
the HOF w/o his WS homer? Is Puckett in the HOF
if his Twins don’t win those two Championships?
Ceetar
1/6/2011-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
He definitely wasn’t the most important player on the team at any point imo. (And he wasn’t even the second best SS in the league at the time of the championships either) and ‘epic winner’ was again a factor of his situation. Guys do get onto the Hall of Fame via bad teams and not playing in the playoffs.
Yes, all that stuff is what makes him a Hall of Fame player (provided he doesn’t get caught/snitched on) but circumstance plays a huge role in giving him the opportunity. There is no reason to discount Kent’s numbers either, or Bonds, or anyone’s, because of era or situation. RBIs, wins, etc are poor indicators of talent.
kistics
1/6/2011-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
I wonder how his PED allegations will affect the votes for him.
Sometimes I almost wish that 104 (?) names would be released, so that we can sort out who’s guilty and who’s not. But then I’m sure there’s more than 104 players who were juicing…
fongy2
1/6/2011-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
You talkin’ Piazza?
kistics
1/6/2011-9:27am at 9:27 am (UTC -4)
Yes
fongy2
1/6/2011-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
What allegations?
Ceetar
1/6/2011-9:37am at 9:37 am (UTC -4)
The same non-existent ones that existed for Bagwell.
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-9:42am at 9:42 am (UTC -4)
You know those ‘he had acne all over his back so he must have been using’ allegations.
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
Yeah, but that’s not really fair. First of all, it was always supposed to be anonymous. Second, we all know there were WAY more than 104 guys guilty of juicing back in the day.
I’m on the fence about this whole issue. It’s goes deeper than just who was taking, who cheated. What about the pitchers who were juicing that faced those batters that were? How much did that affect their record?
I put a lot of the blame on Selig. He knew all along what was going on in the early 90s. He turned a blind eye for what he mistakenly thought was for the good of baseball. Had to get fans back into the game after the strike shortened season.
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-9:43am at 9:43 am (UTC -4)
Sorry…meant to say pitchers that WEREN’T juicing.
fongy2
1/6/2011-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
Look, I mostly agree. Thing is though that some guys who’ve
ruined their chances are obvious. It should be held against and
I give the voters alot of respect for doing so. As far as Pizza
is concerned, nothing would shock me BUT as a player and a
guy, he seems pretty stand-up. His career took the normal
dive at about the same age most Catchers do. If he was a juicer
it must have been from day one b/c he was great, not good BUT great from day one.
TRS86
1/6/2011-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
Thing is why are we convicting the ones that were honest and allowing the ones who were not to go unpunished? To me it’s baseball’s fault as much or more than anyone else.
fongy2
1/6/2011-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Who was honest???…What AFTER getting caught?
TRS86
1/6/2011-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
Some have came out and admitted it either way. Not many have been found guilty of it until recent with actual drug testing.
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
Who?? Caminitti?? Canseco??
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
Pettitt, for one.
On the other hand, you’ve got Roger the Rocket proclaiming his innocence at all costs. You know he’s going down.
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Pettite also got caught.
TRS86
1/6/2011-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
Yup to me you ignore all the steroid stuff in voting and in the hall you put something in that talks about a black age in baseball and how the entire era is tainted by baseball’s indiscretion. In other words, Bonds goes in. Not a popular theory I know but to me it’s not fair to just punish the ones that either got caught or almost got caught and ignore the fact that 100′s more are just as guilty.
fongy2
1/6/2011-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
Bonds’ case though isn’t the model. What do you do about
guys whos career took natual downward turns due to age and/ or injury and then after juicing had second, HOF careers, like
Clemens?…Or who we now know were juicing from day one
and then when suffering injuries began to treat with even stronger and greater amounts of illegal PEDs…Like McGwire?
TRS86
1/6/2011-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
McGwire I am not sure gets in. But to me I dislike them tremendously but Clemens and Bonds are HOF.
fongy2
1/6/2011-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
Really??!!…Take a look at where Clemens was in his mid-30s when he landed in Toronto and started juicing.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
At age 33 Record of 192-111 with a 3.06 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, average of 218 innings per year and 8 CG. Unbelievable HR rates and ERA+, Even assuming average production for another 6 years and you get an easy HOF guy. 3 Cy Young’s, a season of Cy Young AND MVP, 5 AS games,
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
I know….He was borderline Great but was close to the end of the road. The ‘roids turned him into a legend.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
1986 ML AS MVP
1986 AL TSN Pitcher of the Year
1986 AL MVP
1986 ML Major League Player of the Year
1986 AL Cy Young
1987 AL Cy Young
1991 AL TSN Pitcher of the Year
1991 AL Cy Young
Cy voting
1986 AL (1, 100%)
1987 AL (1, 89%)
1988 AL (6, 6%)
1990 AL (2, 55%)
1991 AL (1, 85%)
1992 AL (3, 34%)
Sorry Fongy but as much as I dislike him he was flat out dominant in the league and would be a HOF guy either way.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Close to the end of the road after 242 innings and an ERA+ of 139 in his last year in Boston? Even if he continued to decline for 5 more years you are still looking at a HOF.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
Also, if you look, the Yankee years were not much better or about the same as his Boston years.
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Alright so how should his HOF plaque read?
Verducci made this point lastnight about bonds.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think you put it on the player’s bio. You put all from this era in their own wing and at the entry you describe the black time in baseball when indiscretion damaged the reputation of the game and it’s players.
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
To me, if Clemens is convicted of lying to the Grand Jury, I think that should be the deciding factor.
However, I’m willing to bet they vote him in anyway.
kistics
1/6/2011-11:02am at 11:02 am (UTC -4)
So.. Sosa goes in? I mean he certainly has the numbers…
TRS86
1/6/2011-11:07am at 11:07 am (UTC -4)
Take out the total stats and look at his final peripherals.
273 .344 .534 .878
Would you put him in?
kistics
1/6/2011-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
So you are just talking about BA, OBP, SLG and OPS?
Total stats do count a lot when considering HOF. I mean there are only handful of guys who has reached 600 HR mark. And if I’m interpreting you correctly, ‘steroid era’ or not, they should vote based on numbers. And if that’s true, you need to consider Sosa’s 600 HRs as a big part of his ticket to HOF.
Personally, I don’t think he should get in just because he was known only for 1 dimensional aspect of the game.
TRS86
1/6/2011-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
No I think that when you have a guy like Sosa who is on that most likely did list, you refer to his career averages over his totals. That would show how many truly nonHOF years he had.
kistics
1/6/2011-12:14pm at 12:14 pm (UTC -4)
That’s a fair point. But based on each person’s perspective, Piazza can be included in that ‘most likely did’ list. I’m not saying that’s my take on him, but there area lots of gray areas in ‘most likely did’ list.
TRS86
1/6/2011-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
Not sure you can say that with Piazza. There is not much difference in his great seasons and not as great seasons and his stat line is pretty consistent.
Prismo
1/6/2011-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
From 1994 to 2004 (a very long stretch for a ballplayer):
.287 .364 .585 .950
In his prime (’98 to ’02, also a decent period of time):
.306 .397 .649 1.046
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
Also, TRS in all likelyhood there wouldn’t have been any Yankee yrs
for Clemens. How many power Pitchers b/t 36&40 Won Cy Youngs
and multipe Championships?
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
I am sure there would have still been Yankee years, just maybe not at the previous level. Again, if he had retired after leaving Boston he would have STILL been a HOF.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
Take a look at this Fongy.
Clemens most dominant 7 year period in Boston:
136-63 2.66 ERA, 160 ERA+, 1.089 WHIP, 3.44 SO/BB, 8.4 SO/9, 12 CG per season.
Koufax most dominant 7 year period.
137-60, 2.36 ERA, 147 ERA+ (this factors era and is park adjusted)., 1.005 WHIP, 3.73 SO/BB, 9.5 SO/9
Pretty damn close.
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think Koufax had 7 dominant yr. 5, you could argue 6.
Thing is, like Bonds I cant argue that Clemens wasn’t a HOF
for close to a decade w/the Saux BUT his career didnt end there all that other sh*t happened. He was cheating.
How could they put him in and not Pete Rose?…Did Rose ever do anything in his playing career that should be held against him?…You’re more right about this than me, I just don’t see
how you can seperate Clemens’ two careers.
It’s like a hardworking, self made, very successful buisnessman
who does all the right things for a decade, then figures out that
by lying, cheating and stealing he can even do better.
Gets away with it for a decade….And gets caught.
Yeah, we know the story BUT you look back at his career and
think the guy is a low-life, lying cheating thief.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
Agreed in your last sentence. However, based on his numbers before Toronto, just like Bonds, to me it’s no doubt that he is a HOF. Not bringing up Rose because that is just MLB ego at it’s finest. One wrong should not make 3. Bonds and Clemens have the stats before and total to get in. Again, I want them in a different wing and if they are convicted that should stain their bio’s.
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
And don’t the absurd numbers some of these guys put up adversely
effect guys from the eras right before them?
rustyjr
1/6/2011-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
Yeah but my question is do you think Mike goes in as a Met ?
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
I do.
Also, on this HOF stuff, how does Albert Belle get so few votes
by his second go ’round he’s off the ballot his after his 2nd yr.
I bring this up b/c of Johnny Franco.
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
I hope he goes in as a Met. I would think he will go in as a Met. But I really don’t know what criteria the HOF committee uses in making that determination.
saltygary
1/6/2011-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
They look at the full body of work for the player and service time. Piazza’s achievments are with the Mets. He got the the WS with the MEts and had all of his dramatic moments with the Mets. I feel this is a no brainer.
With Carter he was a part of a great Expos team in the early 80′s and had more service time with them. Out of all the expos players he was the most associated with the team and I feel the hall wanted to have some that represented all those years of the franchise. Carter was my favorite growing up a Met fan and the hall made the right decision with him.
The only BS ones I can remember is Boggs and Winfield and that’s why they took it out of the players hands to make the decision.
fongy2
1/6/2011-10:51am at 10:51 am (UTC -4)
Well, he played more for us. if thats it. Heck, Carter’s in the HOF
as an Expo b/c he played more for them. So……
Mr North Jersey
1/6/2011-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
Stay on topic!!!
:-p
kistics
1/6/2011-11:00am at 11:00 am (UTC -4)
sorry my bad…
saltygary
1/6/2011-10:45am at 10:45 am (UTC -4)
I think Piazza eventually gets in (as a Met) but the writers are going to wait on the guys from this era. Looking at the Bagwell voting I don’t think they fully know what to do with these guys. I don’t think any of them will get first ballot’s, not anytime soon anyway. They have 15 years to figure it out and it might take some leadership from Cooperstown to come up with an appropriate solution.
Personally I would like to see a wing specifically for this era. It’s a history museum so Cooperstown has a responsibility to explain what happened instead of being ignorant. All players voted in get into this wing. This isn’t a black eye against anyone and if the players don’t want to go in there they don’t have to but there is a responsibility for Cooperstown to not let people forget.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
I think it is a black eye but in my opinion mostly on the game itself and deservedly so. It was a joke that they did not stop it and the sole reason they did not was money.
saltygary
1/6/2011-10:52am at 10:52 am (UTC -4)
Your right that the whole era is a black eye. None of the players, owners, commissioners or unions stood up and took responsibility. They just wanted to reap the rewards. Cooperstown is not for them, they got what they wanted. Cooperstown is for us and we deserve the truth.
TRS86
1/6/2011-10:56am at 10:56 am (UTC -4)
Salty we will never get the truth. Just witch hunts provided by the cause of the problem. Thus to me, the era is over with and you move on. You section it in history and move on.
saltygary
1/6/2011-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
Exactly, thus the wing. We know a little and a little more will come out but in the end what we do know should be there for public display.
fongy2
1/6/2011-11:48am at 11:48 am (UTC -4)
Why haven’t we seen or heard from Robbie Alomar re: his being
elected to the HOF?
TRS86
1/6/2011-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
I heard something from him yesterday on MLBN.
fongy2
1/6/2011-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
In all seriousness, I was just wondering about his condition.
Alot of rumors, including from his wife BUT I haven’t seen or
heard anything from him since initial allegations surfaced about
two yrs ago. It would explain what happened to him and how his
career fell apart so quickly. Anyway, if true, it’s sad….
The guy was really a great player and his “punishment” by the voters last year was and is shameful. Especially considering
Hirschbeck was out of line and the two have long ago made up
and are friendly.
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-12:26pm at 12:26 pm (UTC -4)
He looked pretty good on the interview yesterday.
I don’t know if that story is true or not. Maybe he just tested positive for exposure to the virus but it’s not full blown or active.
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
MLB network had a live interview with Alomar immediately following their 2pm announcement program yesterday.
njstuckintx
1/6/2011-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
The only thing I thought that Piazza was accused of was, uh, playing for the other team. But his string of playmate girlfriends should have put that to rest.
To me, he goes in as a Met, and I would venture to say that even though he’s in a suspect time period of HGH and the like, he goes in first ballot.
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
And he’s married now, right? I think he has one kid?
njstuckintx
1/6/2011-12:32pm at 12:32 pm (UTC -4)
That was such a low point for journalism. All I remember was hearing about it was just floored. 1. who the hell cares? 2. who the hell cares? 3. see # 1 & 2. The only time I would care about that is if was affecting his game at all. (And I’ll say, I’m church going believer who is a hate the sin, not the sinner type, and while I don’t agree with that lifestyle, I would crush the head of haters in a minute with a large blunt object. Being bigoted and all that has no place, anywhere. I may not agree with it, but i’m no judge.)
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
Well said, njtx.
kistics
1/6/2011-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
“not the sinner type”
you sure about that?
njstuckintx
1/6/2011-1:13pm at 1:13 pm (UTC -4)
“hate the sin, not the sinner” type of person.
Don’t make me get my blunt object!
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-12:32pm at 12:32 pm (UTC -4)
Here you go, Fongy:
“There’s a lot of speculation about people saying I never cared about playing in New York, that I was dogging it in New York. I want to say to those people that I really cared when I was there in New York. I really loved New York. The New York Met organization was great to me. It’s just the team, we didn’t click together. We didn’t play good together. On the other hand, maybe we tried a little bit too much. It’s not that I didn’t care. Because I was the kind of guy that went out to the field every day, trying to win games. But it seemed like we didn’t do as good as we wanted to.”
Roberto Alomar on conference call yesterday
metsfan4decades
1/6/2011-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
…. didn’t do as good as we wanted to.
Could be the theme slogan for many a Met team.
rustyjr
1/6/2011-1:11pm at 1:11 pm (UTC -4)
For some reason Ill believe him before I’ll believe Tony Fernandez
njstuckintx
1/6/2011-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
shudders… Tony Fernandez…
kistics
1/6/2011-1:22pm at 1:22 pm (UTC -4)
Is it April yet?
njstuckintx
1/6/2011-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
I’d be happy with mid february.
Ceetar
1/6/2011-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, Valentine’s Day through April Fools day will shake out a lot of stuff about this roster. can’t wait.
kistics
1/6/2011-2:20pm at 2:20 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t like Valentine’s day….
stickguy
1/6/2011-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
how about president’s day? you got anything against them?
I am already tired of being cold and thinking about snow. I want spring, and spring means baseball!
Ceetar
1/6/2011-2:40pm at 2:40 pm (UTC -4)
Well, the Mets report either the 13th or the 14th, so you’re stuck with it. Besides, isn’t baseball all of ours’ true love?
stickguy
1/6/2011-4:06pm at 4:06 pm (UTC -4)
Ah, did not realize that was the report date. Gotcha now.
I agree that ST is going to be very interesting this year, probably more so than the past few years (although the Mejia saga was pretty riveting). I expect quite a few changes while they are in Fla.
It will also be interesting to see what else Sandy has up his sleeves for before ST even starts.
gategem
1/6/2011-3:08pm at 3:08 pm (UTC -4)
Any relation to the people involved with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Valentine's_Day_massacre
gategem
1/6/2011-3:14pm at 3:14 pm (UTC -4)
The link doesn’t operate properly. It didn’t capture the entire address and thus takes you to a different web site than intended.
kistics
1/7/2011-9:13am at 9:13 am (UTC -4)
LOL.. no relation.. but it’s just another day to spend money while us men don’t get anything in return…
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