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According to MLBTR and Adam Rubin, Mets are closing in on Chris Young….stay tuned
-In other words…Sandy did everything he said he was going to do….and yea this was one of the best touchdown catches I’ve ever seen
1/17/2011-4:32pm at 4:32 pm (UTC -4)
Get that ugly Hess-colored image off my screen!
The amount of times the Mets have closed in on Young, they must’ve started from the moon or they’re seriously invading his personal space! TOO CLOSE!
1/17/2011-4:36pm at 4:36 pm (UTC -4)
Not a jet fan either but that was one hellova catch
1/17/2011-4:38pm at 4:38 pm (UTC -4)
I’m just sick of football. And the 5-6 days of the same stories talked about over and over and over again. It’s kidna like debating Chris Young for the 18th time honestly.
I’ve got my tickets to Florida, 3 baseball games burning a hole in my pocket. let’s get this going already!
1/17/2011-4:48pm at 4:48 pm (UTC -4)
In a couple of weeks you will have half a year of baseball…what team is yours in football?
1/17/2011-4:53pm at 4:53 pm (UTC -4)
How far is Pt St Lucie from Orlando? I’m taking my family down to Orland 3rd week of March and wanna plan a trip to St Lucie.
1/17/2011-4:56pm at 4:56 pm (UTC -4)
about 2…2 1/2 hours depending how heavy your foot is
1/17/2011-5:02pm at 5:02 pm (UTC -4)
I have great feet.
1/17/2011-7:23pm at 7:23 pm (UTC -4)
Rex & Wife will be over in 10…
2.5-3 hours. It’s not a bad trip really. I’m doing it, but I’m going the long way via Ft. Myers and seeing the Mets over there first.
Giants. But, it’s football. So i’d only be like 10% less impatient for baseball if they were in teh playoffs.
and the Islanders suck as well. fun times.
1/17/2011-6:20pm at 6:20 pm (UTC -4)
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS !!!
1/17/2011-4:35pm at 4:35 pm (UTC -4)
With all these 1 year deals, I really wished they would have put a couple options on them here are there. What’s a little buy out money worth for next year when you can hedge your bets and might end up saving on a friendly contract for next year?
kinda hoping they give Pagan and Dickey 2 year deals.
1/17/2011-4:39pm at 4:39 pm (UTC -4)
maybe…I think its a smart move given all the money off the books next year. He will have a better idea who to keep and who not to keep next year….just hope he has a plan
1/17/2011-4:47pm at 4:47 pm (UTC -4)
I agree. To me, say Young flops out but Capuano some how puts together a stellar season, 15-10, sub 4 ERA, etc. Wouldn’t it be well worth it to risk a 2nd year on that deal at say 4 mil, with a 500K buy out or something like that? I think that it seems Sandy is so focused on getting to 2012 with a basic clean slate to start constructing His Team, that he could be missing out on some worth wild options right under his nose.
1/17/2011-4:49pm at 4:49 pm (UTC -4)
At his BEST, Young was a 5.5 inning pitcher, who was very good in the game’s best pitcher’s park, and while good in 2006 on the road, he was ABOMINABLE on the road in 2007 and 2008.
He is not the answer to any question except “How can Sandy top the money Omar threw away on Escobar last year??”
Maybe Carmelo Anthony pitched in high school??
I’m not saying he will. I’m saying he might. and with all the $ coming off the books, it’s not like it’s going to put them in a pinch like they are this year.
1/17/2011-4:55pm at 4:55 pm (UTC -4)
I guess I see Young as a bullpen killer and also a guy who might keep Gee from getting the starts he needs to prove himself.
I am VERY much into seeing what EVERY youngster can do in 2011.
Chris Young ain’t the final piece to the 2011 playoff puzzle. But, he might keep Gee from starting, and kill the pen early.
1/17/2011-5:48pm at 5:48 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think you have to worry much about Gee not getting enough opportunities to pitch this year.
1/17/2011-8:13pm at 8:13 pm (UTC -4)
Give him a little more credit he was at a little over 5 2/3 inning pitcher. LOL. For his career he is a 3.46 ERA pitcher at home and a 4.16 ERA guy on the road. Yes that factors in some really good years in SD. In 2006 he was actually significantly better on the road than at home. Starting in 2007 he really learned to use that home field, perhaps he can do the same thing in Citi. If not then it’s not really a big issue. Gee will still get plenty of time and if the Mets are not in the race then someone can be dealt.
By the way, Young’s career slash line proves what Sandy see’s in him.
.220 .299 .372 .670 The guy is close to unhittable but as you noticed does not go very deep in games. WHIP of 1.20 and K/9 over 7 those are solid. Perhaps that IP can change.
Over all I think it’s a good deal. But hey go figure we would disagree on this one.
1/17/2011-8:25pm at 8:25 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I was for it until I saw his IP/start and the 2007 and 2008 splits.
1/17/2011-8:31pm at 8:31 pm (UTC -4)
The innings pitched concerns me much more than his splits. Other than Philly, the NL East is very pitcher friendly in terms of parks. Also have to wonder how much of those splits were bad luck. I know you don’t like that phrase but his slash on the road was respectable. .211 .303 .348 .651 in 2007,
Even looking at those bad road numbers, we are still talking about a guy the Mets hope to perform to back end rotation numbers, not as an ace. You don’t get ace’s for that price for sure.
1/17/2011-8:35pm at 8:35 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t believe in the “luck” thing. Not at all.
A bad BABIP could mean everyone’s hitting line drives.
Those 2007 and 2008 splits are insane.
But overall, I hope you are right and I am wrong and he kicks ass with both feet!!
1/17/2011-8:36pm at 8:36 pm (UTC -4)
That’s not about BABIP. I did not quote those. Just saying look at the slash line using traditional stats.
.211 .303 .348 .651 on the road. Those numbers should not equal a bad ERA.
1/17/2011-8:44pm at 8:44 pm (UTC -4)
However, looking at that 2007 stat line it’s plain weird.
His LD % was way up on the road. That should not be affected by park based on what I know about saber which is not much. It does show that he was aided by a large park on HR as his HR/FB % was way up on the road.
In 2008 his LD % was actually higher at home. HR/FB was still much higher on the road, but he had no control on the road which is strange. His K/9 at home was over 10 but was at 6.5 on the road while his BB/9 were way up on the road too.
In other words, as I said I am much more concerned about his innings than his splits.
1/17/2011-8:41pm at 8:41 pm (UTC -4)
the IP stat can be misleading without looking at game stats. a couple of real early exits take a normal 6+ and drops it down.
but at this point, any SP that can do 6 innings to add to the rotation is a major plus. Hell, 6 innings is practically the new normal for SPs.
at least dickey, pelf and normally Neise showed good ability to pitch deep on a regular basis. and most teams aren’t expecting more than 6 ish out of the back end or the rotation guys anyway.
1/17/2011-8:49pm at 8:49 pm (UTC -4)
Young’s 2008 shows that he got stronger in September and averaged around 7 innings per start. I just wonder how much of it was not allowing him to go deep due to injury concerns. They only let him go over 100 innings 6/18 starts.
1/17/2011-8:58pm at 8:58 pm (UTC -4)
once they are either pitching hurt and being nursed along, or coming back from injury/surgery, IPs is going to be suspect.
For the money invested, if they can get 20 starts of close to 6 innings each before he breaks down, it will a worthwhile signing. Getting close to 30 of reasonable quality will be a great deal.
1/17/2011-8:59pm at 8:59 pm (UTC -4)
More strange stats for his IP totals in 2007. They really loved to go to their pen for what seems like no reason.
6 inning 2 hitter with 8 K’s and less than 100 pitches.
6 inning 3 hitter with 6 K’s and less than 100 pitches.
7 inning 3 hitter with 10 K’s and less than 100 pitches.
7 inning 4 hitter with 7 k’s and only 84 pitches.
1/17/2011-9:00pm at 9:00 pm (UTC -4)
assuming you mean 100 pitches TRS?
1/17/2011-9:01pm at 9:01 pm (UTC -4)
that screams of playing it overly safe for whatever reason.
1/17/2011-4:51pm at 4:51 pm (UTC -4)
I dont know if its Sandys style but he might not be opposed to working out extension’s mid season or near the end of the season…I guess its one of those things we will have to wait and see
Great picture, great catch, great game.
Yeah, I am a Dolphin fan, but you have to love how the Jets backed up the talk. If only the Mets could do the same.
Should be a great pair of games this weekend.
Love me some football playoffs, even without the Dolphins.
Sorry Ceetar, but to me, the NFL playoffs are about the most exciting thing in sports, except when the Mets are in the playoffs.
1/17/2011-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
Yea…ill be at the sports bar pretty much the whole sunday…
I’ll be a Jet fan this Sunday…my Dad and SO many friends are Jet fans.
I never felt about them the way I feel about the Yanks, or even the Knicks. They are entertaining, and any sports fan has to love the way Ryan runs things for the most part, and the Dennis Byrd angle is awesome too.
1/17/2011-4:58pm at 4:58 pm (UTC -4)
Ill pull for the jets this weekend also…I just like Rex to be honest…Wish we had a coach like that(giants and mets alike). Im a Giants fan and can appreciate what the Jets are doin (we did the same in 07)…not to mention I loved hard knocks with the Jets.
1/17/2011-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, there is something I like about Ryan too….and you can imagine that his players absolutely LOVE playing for him.
If only the Dolphins could coax Cowher out of retirement….
I turned on football for teh first time this weekend in time for the Patriots field goal, and was bored by half time. The flow, the pace, the penalities that have nothing to do with the outcome but change the outcome. the 5+ minutes between a touchdown and the opposing offense starting.
But the worst is trying to listen to sports talk and hearing the same exact discussions day after day after day. And with the Jets it’s even more focused. Michael Kay for instance, refused to even break down the other games because ‘Rex Ryan talking so much means we have to talk about this, we can’t even break the other games down!”
That’s funny; I guess I can understand based on sports that bore the life out of me (soccer and hockey lead the list).
I think the NFL playoffs are SO exciting.
As for talking about the same thing over and over again, well, isn’t that what we do here every day of our lives?
By the way, to bring up a brand new topic, do you think Oliver Perez might not totally be to blame for the situation he’s in?
1/17/2011-5:10pm at 5:10 pm (UTC -4)
“penalties that have nothing to do with the outcome but change the outcome…” ?? What? AFLAC!!!!
I don’t know why you hold it against the sport that talk radio is not creative. Don’t listen to sports radio.
1/17/2011-4:52pm at 4:52 pm (UTC -4)
Rubin the Terrible now reporting the deal has been reached pending the physical (which wouldn’t surprise me to be a deal breaker).
1/17/2011-4:54pm at 4:54 pm (UTC -4)
How many times have reporters now reported this is a done deal?
Is it double digits yet?
Have we signed Molina yet? Torrealba?
If Pujols becomes a FA, do you think the Mets should go after him hard? MLBTR says that the Cards mentioned to him something like 7/196 = $28 per.
I’m not sure if that’ll get done. I would think it would cost over $200M to get him. Maybe something like 8/224? or 7/210?
He’s gonna be 31 after next season… those are crazy numbers for 30+ year old player.
Yes. Move Ike to RF.
1/17/2011-5:03pm at 5:03 pm (UTC -4)
No chance, no way, no how.
He’s the best player of his generation, but he will be too old to sign to a deal like that.
Fielder and move Ike to RF. That’s the ticket!
Love the Mets.
1/17/2011-5:11pm at 5:11 pm (UTC -4)
Tough not want the Pujols over the next 3 or 4 years but I can’t imagine paying $30m+ in years 5-7.
A very hesitant “pass” on Albert.
1/17/2011-5:55pm at 5:55 pm (UTC -4)
depends a lot on the years. 7 would be the absolute max, and like you, would have to talk myself into it.
if they came to me and said 7/200 and we sign now, I say WTF and take a shot.
and if that didn’t sell some tickets, nothing will.
oh, and doing the deal is predicated on the Mets being willing to bump payroll up 10-20 mill. Although even at 30 for Pujols, that is only 10 more than Beltran is getting.
actually, it would effectively be like replacing Beltran and Ollie salaries and gaining Pujols. A fair deal IMO.
But, doing that signals that they are in it to win it in 2012, big time, so they had best be resigning Jose also. Unless they somehow unearth a young guy (read: cheap) that can actaully replace him without a huge drop off.
Pujols is nice, but honestly, would Albert + tejada at SS really be any better than a normal Beltran + reyes at SS year? And last I checked, the goal was to make the team better, not just different.
1/17/2011-6:26pm at 6:26 pm (UTC -4)
There’s zero chance this will ever happen.
1/17/2011-6:42pm at 6:42 pm (UTC -4)
can never say never my friend. Might seem highly unlikely, but at one point I am sure piazza and santana to the mets, in their primes, could never happen either.
I will WAG it at 90% back to the cards, 5% to the Mets, and 5% to the field.
1/17/2011-8:10pm at 8:10 pm (UTC -4)
Piazza was 29.
Pujols will be 32.
actually he will turn 31 on 4/2/2012, gotta be fair here!
there is also enough difference between a catcher and a 1B to make 1-2 years be almost irrelevant. Ditto for a pitcher.
1/17/2011-8:27pm at 8:27 pm (UTC -4)
He turns 32 on January 16, 2012!
1/17/2011-8:34pm at 8:34 pm (UTC -4)
hmm, you are correct. either some other player I looked up was born that day, or I mistakenly looked as his debut day and subtracted 30 years. Happens all the time.
Hey no problem!
Youth and the future.
1/17/2011-6:52pm at 6:52 pm (UTC -4)
He’s be oh-so-tempting but I think I have to go along with your thinking.
Hard not to get excited thinking about him in a Met uniform though.
I agree too.. I would do 7 year deal $28 per which would put him at 39 by the end of the contract. But I’m sure Cards will more than match that. More than 7 years, no good.
I think Cards gave him an option of choosing high $$ per season or lower $$ and longer term.
1/17/2011-5:37pm at 5:37 pm (UTC -4)
so it now looks like its a done deal pending a physical.
The Mets and free-agent right-hander Chris Young have agreed to a deal, pending a physical, an organization source told ESPNNewYork.com.
1/17/2011-5:56pm at 5:56 pm (UTC -4)
what, they aren’t doing this on the Putz “ah, what could possibly be wrong” plan?
1/17/2011-6:21pm at 6:21 pm (UTC -4)
No this is not the Omarific regime – It’s the Few The Proud – The Sandy’s Squadron !!
1/17/2011-6:56pm at 6:56 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know why we Met fans should have a problem with this signing. We had absolutely no depth coming into this off season. Heck, we didn’t even have a starting rotation.
Given the fact that hardly ever do you finish the year with the same starting 5, I believe you almost can’t have enough depth. These signings are all medium/high risk (depending on who it is) and potential for good rewards with a couple. Yeah, I would have like to have seen at least one, decent, healthy, innings eater signed but doesn’t look like that will be the case.
1/17/2011-7:50pm at 7:50 pm (UTC -4)
There is the 2 Starting pitchers we wanted. Can’t say they were the 2 I was originally shooting for (Garza and Garland), But, they got 2, so that’s a start in the right direction.
1/17/2011-7:22pm at 7:22 pm (UTC -4)
If Young passes his physical and this deal gets done, who gets bumped from the 40 man?
1/17/2011-7:45pm at 7:45 pm (UTC -4)
Ollie, hopefully.That would replace trash with someone that could potentially be slightly useful. I’d take it.
1/17/2011-8:30pm at 8:30 pm (UTC -4)
that will be the real interesting question.
1/17/2011-8:32pm at 8:32 pm (UTC -4)
Johan can get bumped. No need to make any big decisions yet.
I read that you can’t put anyone on the DL until the season starts, so they can’t move him off to the 60 day DL. therefore, someone has to go from the 40 man.
1/17/2011-8:54pm at 8:54 pm (UTC -4)
who still has the options?
not an options issue. If they are on the 40 man, they have to go through waivers to get off of them.
1/17/2011-9:06pm at 9:06 pm (UTC -4)
really? so the option thing is only for within the 40 man roster to go down to the minors?
1/17/2011-9:10pm at 9:10 pm (UTC -4)
Looks like it.
1/17/2011-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
yes, that sounds right. If the guy has options, and is on the 40 man, he can be sent to the minors without going through waivers, but he stays on the 40 man.
if they want to remove him from the 40 man, he has to clear waivers, then he can be assigned to the minors without doing anything about it.
1/17/2011-9:33pm at 9:33 pm (UTC -4)
Unless he has 3 years of service time, then like Ollie, he can refuse assignment.
I think they can change that with Johan because they can make it retroactive.
1/17/2011-9:08pm at 9:08 pm (UTC -4)
Question. Was Johan placed on DL at end of last season?
1/17/2011-9:19pm at 9:19 pm (UTC -4)
not sure, but I was under the impression that once the season ended it did not matter, and DL went away.
1/17/2011-9:23pm at 9:23 pm (UTC -4)
Not sure. That part may be true but then I would think you can still place them on the DL as soon as ST started then.
1/17/2011-9:48pm at 9:48 pm (UTC -4)
OK so there is no DL in the off-season because of the Rule V draft. I wonder what the earliest day you can be placed on the DL?
1/17/2011-10:18pm at 10:18 pm (UTC -4)
somewhere I saw that it was opening day, when the 25 man has to be set. that actually makes sense.
1/17/2011-10:36pm at 10:36 pm (UTC -4)
It’s roughly March 21st. If you recall, Reyes couldn’t be placed on the DL any earlier than 10 days before the season started.
1/17/2011-10:37pm at 10:37 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I still don’t quite get it. What if a player is for sure going to be out for the season? They can’t replace him on the 40 man until the season starts?
Either way, I would suppose that losing Luis Hernandez would not be devastating at all.
1/17/2011-10:43pm at 10:43 pm (UTC -4)
I guess that makes sense Ceetar.
So like I said I guess you could just chance it with a guy like Luis Hernandez.
1/17/2011-10:44pm at 10:44 pm (UTC -4)
I think other guys can slip through waivers. in fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what some of the hold up was about.
Unless they get a little underhanded with it, and tell Young he gets Perez’s spot, sign him to a minor league deal with an invite, and just have him make the team when they shed guys like Perez or Castillo or Hu or Emaus. Young would make 42, so they have to resolve this anyway.
1/17/2011-10:46pm at 10:46 pm (UTC -4)
Actually, I guess that’s not true. for the sake of everything, it’s probably easier just to assume K-Rod gets Santana’s spot when he’s transfered to 60 man.
1/17/2011-10:59pm at 10:59 pm (UTC -4)
Looking at the roster whom else would you trust trying to pass through that has not already accrued 3 years of time?
Also, how do you get 42? I count 40. How could they even have 42? I guess you could say they have 42 if you count Krod and Young?
1/17/2011-11:03pm at 11:03 pm (UTC -4)
you don’t think some of those fringe prospect guys could slip back through?
yeah, K-Rod and Young for 41, 42.
1/18/2011-7:18am at 7:18 am (UTC -4)
Who though? It’s not like they have to carry these guys on the MLB roster all year.
1/17/2011-8:53pm at 8:53 pm (UTC -4)
60 day DL?
1/17/2011-9:05pm at 9:05 pm (UTC -4)
Well yeah…what’s next after that? 120 DL?
I can’t see the Mets doing that b/c I’ve been reading they’re saying something about coming back in July. Personally, I won’t be holding my breath….
1/17/2011-9:16pm at 9:16 pm (UTC -4)
after 60 comes dead.
1/17/2011-9:07pm at 9:07 pm (UTC -4)
They can place him on the 60 day I think retroactive to last season. Thus he would be eligible already. LOL.
1/17/2011-9:04pm at 9:04 pm (UTC -4)
So who do you think the rotation will include?
are probably safe bets.
So the remaining 2 spots would be between
Figgy (just kidding TRS)
Am I forgetting anyone?
1/17/2011-9:18pm at 9:18 pm (UTC -4)
you forgot Misch.
Boof I don’t think has any chance, unless a bunch of other guys get hurt. And Carasco has got to be a pen guy only now.
so pelf, dickey, niese, young and capuano is my guess.
He forgot someone else too.
I’m thinking Cap and Young personally.
1/17/2011-10:38pm at 10:38 pm (UTC -4)
Not forgetting anyone worth talking about.
1/17/2011-10:42pm at 10:42 pm (UTC -4)
you mean “he that shall not be named”?
Nah, I think he is talking about Crack Head.
1/17/2011-10:51pm at 10:51 pm (UTC -4)
crack head? Lost me, unless gooden is coming back.
I thought we were beating around the Ollie bush.
Yeah that’s what I now refer to him as. Only thing that really makes sense to me. LOL.
1/18/2011-3:00am at 3:00 am (UTC -4)
1/18/2011-12:19am at 12:19 am (UTC -4)
What’s up Real Dirty brethren? Sorry I’ve been a no-show throughout the offseason. I’ve been posting on my blog a bit, but generally needed a Mets break. Young is an o.k. signing, although I wish the Mets would take a flier on Jeremy Bonderman. Younger than Young, so a bit more upside there (although also an injury risk). Actually wouldn’t mind them still taking a look at Bonderman, because what are the odds of Capuano and Young making it through a season. Between those three guys, maybe the Mets can cobble together 33 starts. I like a lot of these under-the-radar type moves Alderson and co. have been making (Emaus and Beato in Rule V draft, Paulino, Willie Harris, Young, Tankersley, et al) but I’m the least fired up I’ve been for an upcoming Mets season as I have been in quite some time. Right now, more looking forward to seeing what Alderson and company do in the June draft, as that’s where the real rebuilding of the team will begin. I’m thinking I’ll get more excited once we get closer to spring training, but these last few seasons have sapped some of my Mets energy (that and another epic Giants collapse this season). I’m sure the excitement will return when I attend a spring training game and get to see some of the young players play….
1/18/2011-12:29am at 12:29 am (UTC -4)
once you see the boys on the field about to play real games you will get sucked right back in.
I actually expect the team to surprise you this year. they will play better quality ball, and will have a lot more productive offense, and the pitching will be good enough to keep them in the running.
I do agree about the Giants sucking the life out of football again though.
1/18/2011-7:17am at 7:17 am (UTC -4)
Yeah we have had that debate and it’s still up in the air. Can money buy a guy like Bonderman if he is not going to get a guaranteed chance to start? Of course money can but how much? The guy could be giving away millions in 2012 money by being a BP pitcher in 2011 instead of a starter.
1/18/2011-1:11am at 1:11 am (UTC -4)
If Capuano and Young can somehow pitch like their former selves then the potential is there and that’s the most important thing
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