Jan 17
Video: Bobby Valentine Talks About Collins & The Mets in 2011
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26 comments
metsfan4decades
1/17/2011-1:36pm at 1:36 pm (UTC -4)
Of course Met fans don’t want to wait 2-3 years through some type of rebuilding process to compete. Is Bobby saying that he doesn’t think we’ll have to? That the talent on the team is going to come through this year and surprise us? If yes, sign me up for that thinking.
I know I’ll be much happier listening to Bobby V on ESPN’s Sunday night Met games of the week than I ever was listening to that tool Steve Phillips.
stickguy
1/17/2011-2:44pm at 2:44 pm (UTC -4)
what does 2 years even mean? 2012 is 2 years from now. or does he mean 2013? Which isn’t actually that far away, is it?
looking at the nucleus of talent on the club, they are at least a borderline contender in 2011 (+/- health and SP). And IMO, any team in that situation is a couple of moves/player developments away from serious contender, and eligible for a lighting in the bottle year every season.
I think my point (if I have once) is that the Mets are close now, and there are so many possible scenerios over the next 2 years that could lead to the mets being much better, or worse. Along with pretty much every team (including the Phils, where 2-3 of the wrong bad things happening puts them right back mid pack)
the only way a “LT rebuilding” period comes into play is if they actually rebuild, which they aren’t doing at the moment, and it remains to be seen if they are planning to (and Sandy’s comments don’t really lead me to that conclusion).
I am amazed by how much animosity and unrest Alderson has generated from the more vocal part of the fan base by being relatively quiet. I actually think he should have done more to beef up the club for 2011 (still time I guess), but I wonder if he had made 1 more slightly higher profile FA signing, and maybe 1-2 shuffle the deck chair type of trades, if he would be getting more support?
metsfan4decades
1/17/2011-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
Possibly, on that last question. The natives are getting restless, from what I’m reading. Just not sure who on the FA market – higher profile wise – was worth signing. We really need pitching and Lee wasn’t coming here.
I see the Cubs traded Gorzelanny to the Nats. Wonder what 3 prospects the Nats gave up? I would have liked to have seen the Mets inquire about him. Too late now.
njstuckintx
1/17/2011-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
Gorzalanney traded to the Nats.
njstuckintx
1/17/2011-3:08pm at 3:08 pm (UTC -4)
Should mean that Young has no place to go other than the Mets.
kingman 26
1/17/2011-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
Have we all looked closely at Young?
He is 31 and coming off three years of injuries.
At his BEST, he NEVER averaged even 6 IP per start. Never.
There is a reason no one else wants this guy.
Definitely the wrong guy for this team.
njstuckintx
1/17/2011-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
Would you prefer another target? A military target? Then name the system!
kingman 26
1/17/2011-3:38pm at 3:38 pm (UTC -4)
I grow tired of asking this so it will be the last time: Where are the decent starting pitchers?!?!
They’re on Dantooine.
njstuckintx
1/17/2011-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
Fire when ready.
Honestly, I’d rather stockpile the risks at this point for options and depth. I know the Mets checkbook seems to be locked up tighter than Old Mother Hubbard’s Cupboard, but it’s a low risk/medium reward that at the worst you go “oh well, it was just a mil or so.”
kingman 26
1/17/2011-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
I generally agree, but when I looked at Young’s splits and IP, it really made me think again.
LOVE the original three Star Wars movies.
Never saw the newer ones though.
njstuckintx
1/17/2011-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
Parts of the new ones were wonderful. Parts were horrible.
Had the plus of Natalie Portman (3 snaps in Z formation!), special effects and such.
Had the minuses of acting and the dumb-ing down of the story telling. They tried to explain everything to you, which ruins it for me. That’s what made Dune so good. You had to figure out why & who as the story unfolds, not be spoon fed everything.
Ceetar
1/17/2011-3:21pm at 3:21 pm (UTC -4)
if he blows, he blows. Maybe he has a good month and helps bridge the gap to SAntana return time.
Gee’s still a rookie with lucky numbers last September and I’m sure you’re not suggesting Perez for the 5th spot. Misch? not very good, barely even average.
Stoner? Bonser? not exactly making me giddy with hope.
kingman 26
1/17/2011-3:39pm at 3:39 pm (UTC -4)
Gotta go with the negative folks on this.
Spending 1.5–2 million on a guy who never could go 6 when healthy, who has been hurt for the last three years is patently ridiculous.
This guy is not even at the level of being a disaster waiting to happen.
Ceetar
1/17/2011-3:45pm at 3:45 pm (UTC -4)
the money is not going to go anywhere else anyway. don’t care about it.
his career average is 5.7 or so IP. Wouldn’t 5 innings, and 6 or 7 once in a blue moon, of Chris Young sub-4 ERA be better than leaving Gee or Perez out there for 6 to get slaughtered?
Unless you’re suggesting Bonderman, who’s a little more of a workhorse.
kingman 26
1/17/2011-3:52pm at 3:52 pm (UTC -4)
Bonderman is injured and sucks big time.
Honestly, I would rather just see Capuano and Gee as 4-5.
If Capuano cannot get it done, well, then we may have a problem.
Young’s splits in 2007 and 2008 were downright scary too.
njstuckintx
1/17/2011-3:54pm at 3:54 pm (UTC -4)
The only worry is that if/when Cap goes down, then what?
Ceetar
1/17/2011-4:00pm at 4:00 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t trust Gee. I’d rather spend the couple million that doesn’t actually hurt anything, and get Young. Which splits of Youngs do you mean? he’s got a career 3.8 ERA, so hopefully he can at least battle and keep us in games. We do need the depth, particularly with Cap being an injury guy, and Gee being a rookie with only a handful of games, which look like they could’ve been lucky.
Treat him as disposable. work him, push him, as long as he’s getting outs. If we break him by May, hopefully someone in Buffalo’s showing some signs to step up, and maybe that’s Gee then.
stickguy
1/17/2011-4:08pm at 4:08 pm (UTC -4)
the beauty of 1 year contracts. work them like a rented mule, and don’t suffer the consequences in the future years of the contract!
njstuckintx
1/17/2011-4:13pm at 4:13 pm (UTC -4)
It’s almost worth it to make them 1 year deals with an option at 500K or so. If they do shine, no reason to let them walk, right? And what’s 500K when it’s factored into next year.
kingman 26
1/17/2011-3:54pm at 3:54 pm (UTC -4)
Oh, and Love the Mets.
Step right up and love the Mets.
Love the kiddies, love the wife, guaranteed to have the love of your life.
stickguy
1/17/2011-4:06pm at 4:06 pm (UTC -4)
the key to Young is a 1 year deal. 2011 is going to be a crap shoot or roller coaster pitching wise most likely, so they are going to have to mix and match SP all year to keep afloat (and thank God that Jerry isn’t the one doing it!)
problem is, you are going to need extra bodies to be part of the mixing. Mostly, hoping you can get guys to keep you afloat for a while, and when they fall apart, have someone in reserve to replace them.
and like Cettar said, the money isn’t going anywhere else (other than Fred’s wallet), so hell yeah sign a couple more potential live arms to throw into the mixmaster.
I actually like Gee, but will like him even more as the 6th or 7th guy on the depth chart.
If young and Capu can make it through ST in one piece, a rotation of pelf/dickey/neise/young/capu has the potential to be functional (as in, keep them in the game for the most part). How well, who knows, how long, ditto. But, rolling with that and having gee and Boof (love that name) in AAA waiting for a call, and Misch in the pen in case, at least give hope of making it through most of the season with almost legit sp!
oh, and this does not include the high probability of adding more arms along the way (johan being the most obvious). And signing young to a low $ contract should not prevent bringing anyone in from the outside.
stickguy
1/17/2011-4:10pm at 4:10 pm (UTC -4)
oh yeah, adding to this. the other thing that guys like Young do is buy time. even if they only make it 1/2 way through the year, it lets whatever options you have in the minors (not much for the mets, but maybe Cahoon? Mejia maybe, must be another 1 or 2 possibles) get some time in to show that they could be ready for a call up. Like Gee did last year.
njstuckintx
1/17/2011-4:26pm at 4:26 pm (UTC -4)
I guess it’s a moot point, now.
From MLBTR
The Mets are closing in on a deal with Chris Young, according to Adam Rubin of ESPNNewYork.com. The deal is pending a physical. That could be more than a formality for Young, who missed most of last season with a shoulder strain before pitching in September.
Reports earlier in the month suggested Young was nearing a decision and willing to accept less than $2MM in guaranteed money. A deal with the Mets would reunite him with two of his former Padres bosses, current Mets execs Sandy Alderson and Paul DePodesta.
stickguy
1/17/2011-4:29pm at 4:29 pm (UTC -4)
just get it done. they need pitching depth for 2011, and it will have no negative impact to the grand plans for 2012 and beyond, so worth the relatively small risk.
kistics
1/17/2011-4:47pm at 4:47 pm (UTC -4)
The deal is pending physical…. hope whoever conducting the physical is very thorough.
kistics
1/17/2011-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
Assuming Young deal gets done, I wonder if they’ll make any more moves.
4th/5th OF <– Harris?
Lefty Specialist <– Tankersley?
4th/5th SP <–Young?