In a week where EVERY quote from a Mets official and some from guys that are most likely not even associated with the Mets have been analyzed to death, I choose to look at this one.
First of all when many heard this quote they sensed doom for Beltran. This could be true. Some looked at it as saying that if Beltran goes down then Duda would play RF. However, there’s another angle to this that I am going to over-analyze.
Collins does not say that if Beltran is out then Duda would take his place in RF. What he does say is that he has to get his bat in the lineup SOMEHOW. To me this implies that they are not so sure he could play RF but would need his bat to replace Beltran. So if not RF where could he play. 1B and LF. 1B is not very logical at all as he is LH and is not likely to force Davis to move to RF anytime soon. LF has Bay cemented into the position… or does it?
One could read that Bay and Duda could be platooned but that makes no sense at all. Taking a potential bat out of the lineup to replace Beltran’s bat.
Where am I going with this? Is it possible they move Bay to RF?
Bay does not have much experience in RF (understatement award) but is much better defensively than advertised. He has played all 3 OF positions in his career and could most likely cover as much ground there as Francouer minus the arm. What would this move allow? The Mets to also keep Evans. Evans could offer RH protection for Duda and would be much more comfortable in LF.
Again, it seems as though this is what today’s Met reporters are doing. Taking a quote and making it there own. So here’s my attempt.
Collins likes Duda’s bat, could consider moving Bay.
47 comments
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-12:15pm at 12:15 pm (UTC -4)
Congrats your suggestion that that quote could mean Bay to RF officially makes you a beat writer.
kingman 26
3/15/2011-12:38pm at 12:38 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!
Bay to RF has about as much chance of happening as Murph to RF.
This is the silliest of springs.
TRS86
3/15/2011-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
Kingman you kind of missed the point at the end. It was not a real story. Just making up one like has been the case this week.
kingman 26
3/15/2011-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
LOL!
See, you have such credibility with me, that I automatically assumed there must be SOME source you got this from.
Oh man, too much.
And good job.
But seriously, anyone who thinks these guys don’t flat-out fabricate things, well, they are just wrong.
Didn’t Rubin tell us he had inside info that Ollie was getting released 7–10 days ago? Where’s Wanny?
stickguy
3/15/2011-12:16pm at 12:16 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, a fine job of taking a vague rumor (possibly totally fictitious) and running with it!
It is really hard to try and interpret the true meaning, when you get a snippet out of context, and quite possibly reworded by the writer (if not cobbled together completely).
as to your idea, it could work. Bay probably has a better shot of looking OK in RF out of the gate.
actually, I was nto fond of signing Bay last year to start with, and hate the move with a passion now. I just (MHO of course) don’t think he is ever getting back to the big power hitting run producer he was signed to be. I don’t know where the mojo went, but there are not many signs of it. And knowing he is here for 4 MORE SEASONS most likely is nauseating.
right now, if I could get granted 1 wish for a move the Mets could make, it would be to trade bay to free up LF. Even a Duda/hairston platoon most likely blows bay’s production out of the water!
oleosmirf
3/15/2011-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
Personally I would leave Duda in the minors unless there comes a point where Beltran needs to miss significant time. If Beltran is just “limited” I would go with a Hairston/Harris platoon but if Beltran is on the DL, then you call up Duda.
If Duda starts hitting I would also explore the idea of trading Bay during the season although im not sure that is a viable option at this point.
stickguy
3/15/2011-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
really hard to see anyone taking him, but then again, no one thought Wells could ever be traded!
Send Bay back to Boston for Lackey. Not that they need a LF, but shift one of them to RF, or let Bay DH after Ortiz leaves!
oleosmirf
3/15/2011-12:38pm at 12:38 pm (UTC -4)
eh Lackey’s contract is just as bad. I dont expect good things from Bay this year since he looks just as lost in the few ST AB ive seen.
something along the lines of .265/.350 18 HR 67 RBI
stickguy
3/15/2011-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
I think that would be a miracle to get out of him this season.
as to lackey, given a choice, I would take the SP. you can always use another one of them, and if the Mets have anything in the minors, it is interesting bats that profile toward LF!
oleosmirf
3/15/2011-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
he has 4 years left on his deal and he’s coming off his worst season. nothing good can come from that.
Id rather keep Bay and use Mejia as the 5th SP next year…
stickguy
3/15/2011-1:10pm at 1:10 pm (UTC -4)
“he has 4 years left on his deal and he’s coming off his worst season. nothing good can come from that.”
OK I’ll bite. Did you mean Bay or Lackey, since it sure as hell fits our guy!
oleosmirf
3/15/2011-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
Bay only has 3 years left (2 after this one) so not only is his contract easier to move but the risk is much less.
If he has a decent year, I would hope Sandy would be looking to move him in anticipation of diminishing returns
stickguy
3/15/2011-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
I am counting the 2014 vesting option for 2014, so that makes it 4 years (I count this one since it hasn’t started yet).
If he stays healthy, he should easily make the vesting option, unless he has been reduced to a platoon guy by 2013.
Sandy would be nuts to not take the first offer that came along (that did not bring back something even worse!)
TRS86
3/15/2011-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
If Bay is just a shell of his former self now (after one down year) then why would he still be getting that many AB’s 3 years from now?
metsfan4decades
3/15/2011-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
According to Rubin’s chat today regarding the L. Hernandez at 2nd story, Collins told him if you don’t hear it personally from me, don’t take it as gospel.
Gee….I wonder if he’s trying to say some of these stories circulating are bogus?
Someone else theorized that unlike the past regime, this FO so far has not been as forthcoming with information so many might be creating their own controversies for stories. No….really?
Rubin also feels Beltran starts the season on the DL so this is probably Collins starting to think about his opening day RF and subsequent bench.
TRS86
3/15/2011-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
Yup, said the same thing. That is why I wrote this one. Give an example of how these guys do this. Imagine if I had headlined this one with that last line in the article. Think of how many clicks it would have produced.
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
The thing is you really don’t know if this is how they do it or even when they do this and when they don’t.
It is your opinion that this is how they do this and a valid one it is but it is still just an opinion on something you think is happening that you can’t ever even know when it is or isn’t being done.
If I am misinterpreting something I apologize but I don’t think you posting this means this is how they do it. I don’t even know when you can tell that they are doing this or not. You can speculate but that is about it unless you have a source your not sharing.
TRS86
3/15/2011-1:29pm at 1:29 pm (UTC -4)
Like today’s with Rubin. Once you read it you notice that he does not even say that the “source” mentioned Castillo. Only that Castillo “could be considered a distraction thus could be on the way out”.
Yet most run with it saying that Collins does not want Castillo. The source did not even say that, Rubin made an assumption that this could be the case.
kingman 26
3/15/2011-1:43pm at 1:43 pm (UTC -4)
I am with TRS on this.
Didn’t Rubin post a story with an “inside source” telling us Ollie would be released 7–10 days ago?
Come on, these guys have daily stories to file, Twitter accounts to update, etc. OF COURSE they make sh*t up, and on a regular basis.
There is ZERO accountability, they can do whatever they want, and loads of people (including a surprising number here EVERY DAY) read the nonsense from Heyman, Olney, Rubin and the rest and treat it as if it were news.
It isn’t.
It’s some guys sitting in the sun speculating and typing it into their Blackberries/iphones/etc.
metsfan4decades
3/15/2011-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
Nice gig if you can get it – LOL.
Although newspapers are a dying breed. There’s a reason Rubin jumped ship over to ESPN.
I read an article over the winter on how ‘cut throat’ this business is and what lengths some beat writers will go to when trying to get information and/or scoop the competition. Gone are the days where filing on newspaper article daily was the extent of their responsibility. Now it’s blogs, chats, twitter, etc. etc.
Wait, let me play my violin….
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
I’d ask you to post the story to better see if he said or he reported someone else as saying it.
Like Rubin said audit his stories and see what percentage of them are factual.
kingman 26
3/15/2011-3:21pm at 3:21 pm (UTC -4)
I’d audit a magazine about gardening in Tibet or new chess strategies before I would read anything by Rubin.
I could think of about 8 million better things to do than read his exaggerated, biased drivel.
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-3:32pm at 3:32 pm (UTC -4)
Fair enough then i would not go around saying things you think he said unless you are sure you are correct about it.
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-3:39pm at 3:39 pm (UTC -4)
You know what strike what I said. If you want to say it go right ahead. Who am I to tell you not to say something right?
I will instead reply to your question and say no I believe your wrong he did not say it.
kingman 26
3/15/2011-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
You can tell me whatever you want,
I like and respect you tremendously, and you have helped me be a better internet person.
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-4:12pm at 4:12 pm (UTC -4)
I have looked to see if I could find a source Rubin quotes as saying he will be released but the best I can find is this.
“A team insider said there are no set number of relief appearances after which Perez will be released. Still, barring some miracle performance in the next week, Perez’s days are numbered as a Met, with the organization prepared to eat the $12 million owed this season. ”
http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/16396/ollie-to-pen-as-intermediate-step
Again the source only states that “there are no set number of relief appearances after which Perez will be released.”
Rubin follows by saying “barring some miracle performance in the next week, Perez’s days are numbered as a Met, with the organization prepared to eat the $12 million owed this season. ” he does not attribute this to the source. These are Rubin’s words and not him quoting a source. At least not in this post.
Maybe he tweeted a source saying it but I don’t see it as of yet.
In the end Rubin is saying he expects Ollie to be released not according to an unnamed source he expects ollie to be released.
I too expect Ollie to be released FWIW.
kingman 26
3/15/2011-4:28pm at 4:28 pm (UTC -4)
“Perez’s days are numbered as a Met”
And yes, this is a bold, revolutionary thing to say.
As is this:
“A team insider said there are no set number of relief appearances after which Perez will be released.”
Would it even be possible to write something more meaningless?
If so, we will see it shortly from the Axis of Inanity manned by Rubin/Heyman/Klapisch/etc.
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-4:47pm at 4:47 pm (UTC -4)
LoL well I don’t know nothing about what you call an axis of somethinorother lol.
I know you don’t like Rubin’s writing I understand you feel he has what you may describe as an axe to grind.
To me though I think the axe swings both ways. You also may have an axe to grind toward Rubin as well.
kingman 26
3/15/2011-4:49pm at 4:49 pm (UTC -4)
LOL! You may be right!
I think even more that he just reports things that he overhears, or maybe overhears himself thinking, or just exaggerates, or, on a slow day, maybe just imagines…
But I could be wrong!
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-4:53pm at 4:53 pm (UTC -4)
That you admit you could be wrong is enough for me.
In time maybe if you allow yourself to read what he writes on a regular basis you may come to see he is not how you project him to be.
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-1:54pm at 1:54 pm (UTC -4)
What others run with it is out of Rubin’s control.
What Rubin wrote was,
“There are rumblings around baseball that Terry Collins is firmly in the not-Luis Castillo camp for second base, but there’s still a chance he gets Castillo on his roster at second base anyway because Collins has bosses too. ”
You can interpret rumblings to mean what you wish but to me i read that as I would read it had he used the word “whispers”.
Saying “Terry Collins is firmly in the not-Luis Castillo camp for second base” is what probably had people saying that Collins does not want Castillo.
Rubin then writes that according to one insider Collins,
“is trying to limit the drama around the 2011 Mets. And not having Castillo around potentially helps that cause. ”
What Rubin is then saying is I guess a matter of how one wishes to interpret it.
Rubin saying not having Castillo around potentially helps that cause looks like his opinion based on what he was told.
You would need to further question him to ask him to expand on his choice of words.
In the end nothing changes your post “It is still your opinion that this is how they do this and just an opinion on something you think is happening that you can’t ever know with any certainty when it is or isn’t being done.”
TRS86
3/15/2011-2:18pm at 2:18 pm (UTC -4)
Looks pretty clear though that the source did not say that Collins viewed Castillo as drama and was trying to get rid of him. Looks like that is Rubin’s opinion. Yet many are running with that as truth.
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-2:19pm at 2:19 pm (UTC -4)
Again what others run with is out of Rubin’s control.
TRS86
3/15/2011-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
Is it?
Think what others run with was out of Popper’s control too?
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-2:25pm at 2:25 pm (UTC -4)
The point continues to be this post you said was about giving an example of how these guys do this but really you don’t know if this is how they do it or even when they do this and when they don’t.
TRS86
3/15/2011-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
“Again, it seems as though this is what today’s Met reporters are doing. Taking a quote and making it there own. So here’s my attempt.”
How exactly did Rubin and Popper NOT do this with their reports?
They made assumptions based on what a source said and inserted their own opinion into the mix.
Collins DID say he liked Duda’s bat. He DID say he needed to get his bat in the lineup. The rest is just my opinion yet if I ran with that title what do you think the big story would be?
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-2:42pm at 2:42 pm (UTC -4)
Again Rubin wrote what was the way I read it his opinion based on what he has heard.
You are welcome to your own thoughts but what i continue to say is your post you said was to give an example of how these guys do this.
I continue to say that It is just your opinion that this is how they do this you have no way of knowing if this is how they indeed do this or even when they do this just your opinion as to when you think they do this.
CaseStreet
3/15/2011-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
You win a Pulitzer!
metsfan4decades
3/15/2011-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
On another note, TRDMB should strive to win a Fonzie award for this season:
http://www.readtheapple.com/2011/02/1st-annual-fonzie-awards-recap.html
I see our esteemed Ceetar won one……..
kistics
3/15/2011-4:06pm at 4:06 pm (UTC -4)
Who is your source?
TRS86
3/15/2011-4:38pm at 4:38 pm (UTC -4)
Terry Collins duh, and oh a person familiar with Met thinking… (me, as I have been a Met fan for 25 years I am very familiar with their thinking).
kingman 26
3/15/2011-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
HAHA!!
YES!
I also am a person familiar with Met thinking! I have been watching since the 1973 playoffs!!
Hahahaha good one.
hazmet
3/15/2011-5:45pm at 5:45 pm (UTC -4)
One problem here: Associating thinking is any part of a Met process at any level.
The Mets are like a force of nature that reacts to stresses and poor resource management….if that makes sense.
wannybackstra
3/15/2011-5:38pm at 5:38 pm (UTC -4)
The always negative spinster with an axe to grind Rubin has his second profile of a Mets prospect published on the ESPN Mets blog — Akeel Morris — in which he quotes Sandy Alomar Sr. comparing him to Dwight Gooden. A few days ago he also profiled Duda (I think it was Duda) in a very positive light.
How long before Ceetar or TRS accuse Rubin of calling Morris a coke head and suggesting that people “run with that?”
Mr North Jersey
3/15/2011-6:02pm at 6:02 pm (UTC -4)
I can see someone taking this quote out of context.
“I threw three sets instead of two,” the ace said. “I felt good.”
Ace? Where does Rubin get off calling him an Ace?
metsfan4decades
3/15/2011-6:07pm at 6:07 pm (UTC -4)
I saw that article this morning. Never heard of Morris so I thought it interesting. Rubin commented in his chat today something along the lines of he gets tired of writing about the negative so this Morris story was a nice change of pace……for a change.
I don’t care for Rubin’s style at all but I’ve always given him credit for being on top of most stories and digging to find new ones, like Morris. Or….Bernazard – LOL.
TRS86
3/15/2011-7:07pm at 7:07 pm (UTC -4)
Today was not about negative reporting, it was however about how sensationalism is being used to make stories out of thin air.