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Mar 23

This Day In Mets Infamy With Rusty : The ” So Who Becomes The Fans New Whipping Boy ?”

" Not the typical Mets fan ."

Armando Benitez, Braden Looper, Doug Sisk, Carlos Delgado, Mo Vaughn – What is the common thread that will more than likely bind them together in the tapestry of Mets history? Ok besides the fact that most of them needed to call Jenny Craig on her personal hot line. Well if you guessed that they were some of the players that were heartily booed by Mets fans, you would be right.

Yesterday Rob Patterson from Mets Fever and I were talking about the hatred that the Mets fans had for the recently released Luis Castillo and Oliver Perez. He asked me which player(s) did I think would take up the now vacated award for Met player most likely to be booed, cursed, threatened etc. I being the optimist that I am suggested that hopefully the answer would be none.

But then reality pulled be aside and slapped me hard  in the face a few times and yelled ” WHO DO YOU THINK YOU’RE FOOLING !?!  Even during the Halcyon Days of the ’80′s , the Mets fans had players that they detested, and  spewed their venom at them. There was Doug Sisk, George Foster, Mike Torrez and yes how could we forget Gregg Jefferies- the man who supplanted Wally Backman ! In the ’70′s there was Richie Hebner and in the ’90′s we had Rich Rodriguez and Mel Rojas to bash around.

So now back to the original question – who do I think becomes the next whipping boy for the Mets ? If I had to venture a guess, I would have to begrudgingly say either Carlos Beltran or Jason Bay. If either – or both of these guys get off to a very slow start, I expect the lunatic fringe column of the fan base to snap up tickets just to happily boo these two. I admit I have on occasion booed players who I felt were deserving, most recently Oliver was the player who earned my wrath. I documented my feelings for him yesterday, and if he showed an iota of trying to do the right thing for this organization I might have tempered my cat calling with some  cries of support. In ’07 when everyone was booing Carlos Delgado, I felt that I was one of the few fans in the stands that was supporting him. I felt I had to help will him to a base hit or a homer . I hoped against hope that he would breakout of that slump he was mired in. For the next 2 seasons the boos ebbed and flowed for Delgado, but in the end he will unfortunately be remembered more for allegedly being a clubhouse cancer ( we weren’t there so we don’t know for sure) instead of launching some dramatic homers for the Mets in his 3 seasons with the Mets.

Some words of advice to both Mr. Beltran and Mr. Bay – get off to a quick start and please don’t hate us fans sometimes the passion to win over takes our ability to rationalize.

And with that said … HERE COMES THE INFAMY !!!!

Mets alumni celebrating a birthday today includes :

Spot starter/middle reliever from ’94-95, Mike Remlinger is 45 (1966).

The New York Mets traded minor leaguer, Jonathan Guzman to the Kansas City Royals for reserve outfielder, Shane Halter on March 23, 1999.

The New York Mets signed free agent utility man, Fernando Tatis on March 23, 2007. This was a very good signing for Omar Minaya at the time. There was just enough juice left in his bat to help power the Mets during the ’08 season. He even won the Comeback Player of the Year award for his accomplishment. But Omar resigned him to another contract, and what ever spark that was left in Fernando’s bat was extinguished. He had become a automatic double play machine.

And while you curse the gods for delivering snow towards the end of March , just remember that there are just 9 Joe Torre Days left until the Mets open the 2011 season against the Florida Marlins in Miami, and 16 days until the Mets 2011 home opener against the Washington Nationals at Citi Field.

Mo Vaughn is looking to open a 5 Guys hamburger joint by his home – except it would not be open to the public !!!!

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87 comments

  1. metsfan4decades

    I can’t see the point in it being Beltran. He’s at the end of his contract and if he plays and has any kind of production, I’m betting he’s gone mid season.
    Any knowledgeable Met fan would want him to put up good numbers first half so we can get something back for him at the trade deadline.
    His knees are what they are and there’s nothing he can do about that.

    I can see Bay quickly moving into that role if he doesn’t get off to a good start. Don’t think he’s going to put up close to 40 HRs but Met fans are going to expect some kind of decent production for that contract.

    One to watch will be KRod. If he doesn’t pitch well and he starts blowing leads, I predict he’ll quickly move into the favorite whipping boy for the fan base. Many already begrudge him that vesting option (as if anyone in his right mind would have turned that down since it was offered) and his behavior last year didn’t help it none. IMO, he needs to put up a stellar year and if he does, I’m don’t have a problem with him then earning that vesting option. He’ll be doing what’s required to earn that. Truthfully, what Met fan would rather he pitch poorly so that doesn’t happen???

    1. TRS86

      I agree, I think Bay is the most likely. And while I do not really want Krod’s option to vest, one point I continue to make is that you have to look at his contract as more of a deferred money contract than a crazy option. The only reason we got Krod for the price we did was including this high priced option that should kick in if things went well. Think about when that option was kicking in. Right when all the other money came off the books. Omar knew very well what he was doing with that contract and in reality it was a very team friendly contract considering the situation at the time.

      1. metsfan4decades

        Of course, I don’t have any knowledge of the behind the scenes negotiations the year KRod was available, but he did sign here quickly and it could be that option was the deciding factor for KRod. Some think that money overall could have been better spent, but I think that might be a ‘hindsight is 20/20′ type of thing.

        No one had a clue back then about ownership being in the position they are this year which appears to be broke. No one saw the Madoff issue coming and no one saw the ’09 season coinciding with the opening of Citi Field. The projected revenues didn’t come close to what they predicted for the first 2 years of a new stadium.

        1. rustyjr

          I just hope it none

  2. metsfan4decades

    http://www.patrickfloodblog.com/2011/03/22/adjusting-the-margins/

    Patrick Flood making a reasonable case that the Mets win well over 80 this year.

    1. stickguy

      will have to read that later, but I am glad that someone agrees with me!

  3. saltygary

    I agree with the above that Bay is next in line. Long high value contract with nothing to show for it has all the makings of the next scapegoat.

    If the team implodes (which I am not expecting it to), meaning the Chris’s break down and the kids do nothing and Beltran needs a wheel chair then Wright will be the target. He is the last one left where booing would have some real meaning and impact. He is the face of the franchise and if the team goes down he will absolutely be the target.

    What I would like to see is Rocker V.2. And not a racist ball player but a guy we as fans can really focus on. Are we so desperate and demoralized that we have to break-down the people we want to win? We should have one whipping boy per team in the division. Victorino could be #1 on the list, lets go after the 17 year old on Washingtion. Lets get in the kids head and turn him into the next Ankiel. Screw Larry’s last year, no respect for a guy that named his daughter Shea. Eff Larry! Get on Hanley’s case enough and he’ll be cracking windows faster than Chris Brown. We can do this people. The team needed an attitude adjustment and so do we.

  4. njstuckintx

    My pick is Wright.

    1. TRS86

      If that happens I will be the most disappointed in the fanbase that I have ever been.

      1. njstuckintx

        I only say that because of his K rate + Bay’s expectations are so low, if he just hit’s for slightly below his career averages, everyone will be thrilled. Wright image is slowing breaking apart, but then again, when you are asked to be Superman, Batman, the Incredible Hulk and Spiderman all in one to this team, it could be slightly difficult to live up to those expectations.

        1. TRS86

          Honestly I don’t think his image is starting to break at all. Only among the truly extreme part of the fanbase that most likely booed Keith as well. To me Wright and Piazza are the closest things we have had to Keith since Keith.

      2. metsfan4decades

        This.

        When was the last tiime we had a star type player, who doesn’t take anything for granted, works hard both on and off the field?

        Anyone catch the SNY special with Wright: ‘Going Home’?
        He was the youngest MLB player to ever start a charity that bears his name and it’s not only his name he gave them. He works tirelessly for those kids. He’s just an all around well adjusted, mature kid. We need more like him.

        1. njstuckintx

          I agree. I think Wright is the face of the franchise, and he takes it hard that the franchise has been run by jokers and flim-flam artists.

          I just say Wright’s name as this is his team. Whether correct or incorrect, fingers get pointed his way. If Bay doesn’t hit, if Pelf becomes the Yipper again, if this, if that… Those are the people to whom the finger goes, but I’m telling you, fingers are going to be pointed his way and the whole, trade the core to rebuild is going to come up.

          1. TRS86

            Oh I am sure the trade the core fringe will always be there but I don’t see that portion really increasing on Wright.

  5. stickguy

    well, there is the minority of “fans” that already detest Beltran, so he obviously will get a lot of vitriol still, especially if he needs to miss time.

    but, he is also out of here soon enough.

    So, the new, ongoing whipping boy is going to be jason Bay, for the same reason as the last two. Overly large contract for underwhelming output.

    I also don’t think there is anything about him for fans to warm up to.

    1. Ceetar

      Won’t be Bay, because people like Bay. and by people, I mean the beat writers and radio hosts.

      Boomer and his partner, and Joe Beningo all hate Beltran, so that’s 6-1 of Beltran hate and it’s not like Francesa is doing him any favors.

      Jason Bay runs hard and plays hard, (So does Beltran, but he’s hurt so obviously that means he’s either soft, lazy, weak, etc)

      It’ll be Beltran unless he’s hitting .290+ and on pace for 25+ home runs. And that’s certainly not out of the question.

      Hopefully the Mets will be good and we’ll just go with general dislike for a couple of the relievers. There’s also one or two that are spotty.

      1. kingman 26

        Believe it or not, not everyone listens to that drivel all day.

        1. Ceetar

          not really about belief, the ratings speak for themselves. A huge amount of NY baseball fans listen to WFAN, and not just for the games.

          1. kingman 26

            Yes, but I would argue that a relatively small percentage of them let the loudmouths decide things for them.

            I would argue that many–if not most–listen for the entertainment factor.

          2. Ceetar

            Many, if not most, don’t read blogs, and get 95% of their sports news from the paper or the radio. Even if they’re only listening for entertainment, their opinions are colored by the only information they have.

      2. stickguy

        remember though, beltran is here, at most, 1 more year, and quite likely less (either via trade or breaking down entirely).

        so, as soon as he is out of the picture, unless the team is exceeding expectations (as in winning), they are going to be looking for a new goat, and quick.

        1. Ceetar

          fair point, Beltran being on the field to be booed lowers the chances that people will be booing.

  6. metsfan4decades

    Letterman’s ’5 Signs You’re Dumb’

    #5: You call the Mets and ask when playoff tickets go on sale

    LOL….ouch.

  7. stickguy

    In many ways, IMO, Bay was actually the worst FA contract that Omar signed. Worse than Slappy, worse than Ollie.

    Reeson? First, sheer $ amount. And while slappy was silly for the years, it was not that crazy a salary (well, it was for a dude with bad knees). And Ollue for 3 years, at the time, was defend-able.

    Bay though was bad on many levels (and classic Omar). Besides the obvious giving up a top pick, he was already at the tail end of his prime years, so you were paying prime time money for something other teams already got (over the life).

    beyond that, it was pretty obvious to everyone that the Mets were not 1 old guy away from the playoffs, and if they were, he should have gone with a 1 year option (more like Manny). Because what he ended up doing was clogging up LF for years to come with a declining dude.

    And the last part made even less sense, since they seemed to have only been drafting hitters that profiled to be LFers!

    1. kingman 26

      If Bay does not rebound to pre-2010 numbers, you will be 100% right.

      However, Ollie’s contract must be given consideration.

      $36 million for three wins over three years?

      12 million a win??

      1. stickguy

        hindsight is 20-20 my friend. That is why my point was that at the time the contract was defend able. Even the people that did not like it never thought it would be this bad!

        and 3 years at least was short. Bay is at least 4, most likely 5, right? Or is it 5+1?

        1. kingman 26

          Oh, I openly admit I was for the Ollie contract when it was signed, as were most baseball writers and “experts.”

          He was young, threw hard, and was coming off a very good year and a pretty good one.

          No one could have forseen how it would turn out.

        2. oleosmirf

          as you all know I fully expected Ollie to be terrible although he even exceeded my pessimistic expectations

    2. TRS86

      Not sure the Mets gave away a TOP pick for Bay.

      1. stickguy

        high 2nd round pick. may not be top top. but still high!

        1. TRS86

          57th overall pick.

  8. kingman 26

    Definitely will be Bay.

    Bay has no charisma, and zero connection with the fans.

    And he received a ridiculous contract and produced virtually nothing.

    And whined when the team’s lack of leadership and effort was questioned last year.

    And I know I am in the minority on this, but I still say Bay set himself up for it by not coming to camp early.

    Beltran had three great years, and he cannot be the focus of ire from the DL.

    Wright?

    There will always be the unreasonable moron population with their “unclutch” idiocy, but Wright does have a connection with the fans, came through the system, is not grossly overpaid, always focuses and hustles, clearly wants to win—and—wait for it—-was the FIRST veteran in camp with the kids this spring.

    1. TRS86

      I agree it will be Bay but I still disagree about the Minicamp.

      1. kingman 26

        And you may very well be right!

    2. TRS86

      I think with Bay we need to give him another year to see if he can produce. I never expected Boston level but I also don’t expect a player to sharply decline to that extent in one season. He’s not that old and even if so it’s not like he woke up one morning and could not swing the bat fast enough. There is precedent in him having this type of year and rebounding quite well.
      His 2007 season was actually worse than this one.
      .247 .327 .418 .746 94 OPS+
      2010
      .259 .347 .402 .749 105 OPS+
      In 2008 he rebounded to
      .286 .373 .522 .895 133 OPS+

      I know the comment will be that he was younger then but does that explain how he hit this in 2009?
      .267 .384 .537 .921 134 OPS+

      What do I expect? Something along the lines of:
      .264 .370 .484 .853 123 OPS+
      with about 25 HR, 10-15 SB, 90-100 RBI (pending what slot in the lineup).

      1. kingman 26

        Well Chief, 2009 was in Fenway with a team of much, much better players around him.

        And he was younger and was not coming off a horrid concussion.

        1. TRS86

          OK so the rebound in 2008 from those disastrous 2007 #’s? He does not seem to be showing any affects from the concussion at this point. Again, I don’t expect him to be 134 OPS+ guy but I don’t think he is a 100 OPS+ guy either.

      2. stickguy

        would certainly help the team if he did. I am not expecting that kind of jump.

  9. Prismo

    Turned sent down, “I’m sure Brad (Emaus) feels pretty good right now,” -turner

    1. Prismo

      Spring stats:
      Daniel Murphy: .327 OBP, .415 SLG
      Brad Emaus: .366 OBP, .294 SLG

      If these guys are playing for a job and giving it their all, can’t say I’m too impressed with either guy, especially given the sub-par defense.

      1. TRS86

        Yeah but it is the right decision.

      2. Ceetar

        those numbers aren’t right.

        1. Ceetar

          or maybe they are? I saw different ones yesterday.

          regardless, it’s Spring and the Mets likely were decided a long time ago.

          1. Prismo

            I got them from Mets.com

          2. stickguy

            still so few ABs that 1 3-4 or 0-4 can skew them all over the place.

            The decision should be made by past performance, and how they look overall to the coaches that see them every day.

          3. Ceetar

            yeah, they match up with the cumulative stats I have. I saw something different somewhere where they wre closere in OBP.

            anyway, Murphy’s drawn 2 walks, Emaus 6. hardly a worthwhile sample, especially given the SLG. Murphy probably saw different pitchers, saw more pitches that were hittable, whereas Emaus was more selective and didn’t see as many strikes?

            who knows. The Mets pobably were going to go with Emaus anyway ,with Murphy as a utility guy (3B today, he’s played 1B too) This is merely the opening day thing, and if Emaus struggles I imagine Murphy will get more and more time.

          4. stickguy

            would much rather see Murphy starting opening day. Somehow I don’t think Emaus stands a chance against J.J.!

      3. stickguy

        hopefully they will platoon them for a while, until/unless one of them pulls away (or completely falls apart!)

        Havens, please keep healthy this year dude. We are going to need you, and probably soon.

        1. metsfan4decades

          Agreed.

          Neither one of Murphy/Emaus are really starting quality for 2nd base. It’s the best we’ve got right now though. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for Havens.

  10. stickguy

    the friendly commenters over at FWICG addressed this topic too! The comment that came before this indicated that Beltran was public enemy #1, with Bay on deck.

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    swoose [Moderator] 41 minutes ago in reply to MetsIsHotChief
    Why Bay? He is having a very good spring.
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    MetsIsHotChief [Moderator] 31 minutes ago in reply to swoose
    Yes he is having a good spring….for a singles hitter.

    That wouldn’t even matter except he showed NO power last year and I for one, am concerned his power stroke is gone. I would of loved to see one or two bombs this spring just to see he can still take a pitcher deep.

    We didnt sign him to hit .270 with 7 home runs…
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    keithsmustache [Moderator] 8 minutes ago in reply to MetsIsHotChief
    Agreed. He is on-deck. My patience is wearing thin. I’m betting Thole will have a higher slugging % than this guy.

    1. TRS86

      Again, history shows that he can recover from having that bad of a SLG %. He has already done it once in his career. To me I am more than willing to give him another year to see if he can rebound. I just don’t see how a guy can go from a 134 OPS+ to “worthless” in a year.

      1. stickguy

        how long have you been a met fan cief? Isn’t the answer obvious? Every player in his 30s that signs a huge FA retirement contract with the Mets tanks like this!

        1. TRS86

          Not sure we really have a lot to go on for this stat. How many 30 year old position players have we signed to long-term contracts (3 or more years)?
          Castillo, help me out.

      2. oleosmirf

        idk i still dont think he’s gonna get to 20 HR. Im hoping for 15-18 at this point but the guy has no lift on his ball whatsoever.

        1. metsfan4decades

          In the ST games that I’ve watched where Bay has played so far, I think I can count on one hand the number of balls that were hit off his bat in the air. And maybe 1 or 2 weren’t fly ball outs.

          Here’s hoping him abandoning the experiment this spring and going back to his more traditional approach produces sooner rather than later.

          1. TRS86

            He already abandoned it. It was supposed to keep him more in a line drive mode which most likely did not allow for much loft.

        2. TRS86

          He didn’t in 2007 either. Most likely just mechanics. Interesting thing again is that his home #’s last season were by FAR much better than his road numbers. If he hits his home numbers on the road then you get an .830 OPS and a 121 OPS+. Certainly acceptable.

          1. oleosmirf

            he still hit 21 HR not the 11 he was on pace for last season…

          2. TRS86

            But look at the SLG % and the OPS+ Very similar. Slightly higher SLG% in 2007 and much lower OPS+

          3. oleosmirf

            still doesnt explain the 6 HR in 300+ AB which is a major problem regardless of his peripheries although hopefully he rebounds like Wright did…

          4. TRS86

            I am just not worried about HR. If his OPS is in the mid .800′s then he is producing.

  11. CaseStreet

    I don’t think it’ll be anyone either. Though I could see fans turning on Big Pelf if he doesn’t have a strong start.

    1. TRS86

      To me it’s hard to not like Pelfrey. I could see it being a BP guy like Carrasco.

      1. CaseStreet

        Could always bring back Homerun Heilman.

  12. metsfan4decades

    Changing subjects: On Turner being sent down and this from Emaus:

    ‘I think I can get on base. Like I said before, I’m not a toolsy guy, but throughout day after day, I’ve been able to put together good at-bats and get on base, score some runs and hopefully play a solid second base.’

    Maybe it’s me but where’s the confidence here?
    You think you can get on base?
    You hope you can play solid defense?

    Dang…tell me you KNOW you can play solid defense.
    I guess this is to be expected though from a guy who never played at the ML level?

    1. TRS86

      Looks to me like he is responding to the question what do you bring to the table.

    2. Prismo

      Well, to be fair, it’s not like the Mets had an entire offseason to find an adequate replacement for Castillo, whom they knew would probably be released.

      Oh wait.

      1. njstuckintx

        oh snap.

      2. TRS86

        They did, his name is Havens. Would you have felt better if they went out and got David Eckencrappy to hold down the spot? Might as well see what you have with these two instead of either locking up an aging player to the position again or back filling with someone as bad as Castillo.

        1. metsfan4decades

          Yeah, I have no problem with them doing with the current plan. Just keeping my fingers crossed Havens is finally healthy and will be up here contributing NLT 2012.

          1. TRS86

            I think it’s very possible he is up by mid year. I posted some PA comparisons between him and Ike and he is really only around 100 behind where Ike was when he came up.

          2. kingman 26

            I don’t think it was even 100, and except for Ike’s doubles, their stats were shockingly similar.

          3. stickguy

            no doubt in my mind that the oblique (damned rib tip!) had not flared up in June last year, Havens would have been called up to get all the PT that went to Tejada, etc. And most likely, none of the 2B drama this spring would have existed.

          4. TRS86

            I think it’s better this way. Not as much is expected of him if he takes the Davis route and comes in to save the day from Emaus in late May.

          5. TRS86

            769 to 667 but 42 of those came in 2010 before being called up.

            So yeah the idea that injury has kept him from being ready may be a faulty one. PA are PA.

          6. kingman 26

            Hey, you are reminding us of a previous post you have made!!

            :-)

          7. TRS86

            True, but not in a post. LOL.

  13. Prismo

    Mets 20th in BA’s organizational talent rankings:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-talent-rankings/2011/2611472.html

    1. TRS86

      I can’t access last year’s list. Where were we then?

    2. metsfan4decades

      Hey, we’re moving up, right?

      Last I looked, most had our farm system in the bottom 5.

  14. TRS86

    Someone help me out. Why is MC always reminding us of previous post that he has made when discussing a current topic? It comes across as him trying to be the “I told you so” guy or even trying to justify his comments?

    “Two weeks ago, in a post to MetsBlog, I said, “In talking to people in camp, and others connected to the team, it seems Emaus could end up getting the bulk of the playing time at second base to start the season. That could change, of course. But, as of now, he’s the front-runner.”

    Again, what does this add to the article?

    1. Prismo

      “credibility”?

      1. TRS86

        I guess he thinks he is lacking it?

        I just could not really see myself doing that as often as he does in his post.

    2. metsfan4decades

      I have no idea. He’s constantly adding something like ‘as I previously said’, or ‘as I previously wrote’…..

      1. saltygary

        For what it’s worth…

        For what I can gather…

        HACK!!!

    3. Ceetar

      Blogging101. Creating links to your previous posts helps pagerank, etc.

      Of course, he’s beyond the need to do so.

      1. TRS86

        Thing is he even does it multiple times without posting a link.

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