Mets lineup 4 tonight’s 7:10 home game vs. Colorado: Reyes-6, Murphy-4, Wright-5, Beltran-9, Davis-3, Pagan-8, Harris-7, Thole-2, Pelfrey-1less than a minute ago via web 
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44 comments
njstuckintx
4/11/2011-2:42pm at 2:42 pm (UTC -4)
Go Big Murph!
Bryan
4/11/2011-2:51pm at 2:51 pm (UTC -4)
Not sure I like Murph starting with a ground ball pitcher like Pelf starting. He’d be better off starting games with Young pitching where he probably won’t get too many opportunities. I think you gotta get your best defensive infield behind Pelf, he’s had enough problems, you don’t need to risk errors and force him to get 4 outs.
Ceetar
4/11/2011-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
5 outs. The real worry is that he’d muff a DP ball.
Bryan
4/11/2011-2:59pm at 2:59 pm (UTC -4)
well you can’t assume the double play, but hopefully even if you muff it in some way you can at least get 1 out, although Pelf failed to do that himself on the pop up bunt last time out.
Ceetar
4/11/2011-3:11pm at 3:11 pm (UTC -4)
the official scorer can’t assume it, but I can.
kistics
4/11/2011-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
I’m not so sure if I would categorize Pelf as a ground ball pitcher. He’s more like a 2.0+ IP pitcher…
Prismo
4/11/2011-2:58pm at 2:58 pm (UTC -4)
But on the other hand, since Pelf is going to give up 8 runs in 2 innings anyway, you might as well start your worst players. You should save your best players for a Young start, since you’re more likely to have a shot at winning the game.
wannybackstra
4/11/2011-3:05pm at 3:05 pm (UTC -4)
I had a similar criticism of the lineup when Harris was starting in LF with Pelfrey pitching rather than the more powerful Duda. LF is not a big concern with Pelf on the mound. Of course, Harris had a nice game on that occasion but I think my complaint was still a valid one.
TRS86
4/11/2011-3:09pm at 3:09 pm (UTC -4)
He’s a Bobby Valentine tinkerer for sure.
njstuckintx
4/11/2011-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
I’d say if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. But, it ain’t fixed, so might as well break it…
kistics
4/11/2011-3:25pm at 3:25 pm (UTC -4)
So I’m listening to Jeff Wilpon interview with Francessa and Jeff did admit that there are 8 candidates for minority ownership. And it seems that the process has been fairly fast and he expect the deal to be done this season.
So what does this mean to extending Reyes’ contract? To me, it somewhat eliminates the fact that they cannot afford Reyes. I mean after all, you will have about $200M in cash coming in.
So is it more of a question whether Reyes fits in Sandy’s plan or not.
Jose… please take more balls…
TRS86
4/11/2011-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
Honestly I think that 250M might be part of the rainy day oh crap we gotta pay what? fund.
kistics
4/11/2011-3:51pm at 3:51 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think that’s the case. I think the fact that they borrowed money from MLB (and who knows from anybody else), shows you that they are strapped for cash. Also, Jeff admitted that they lost money last season and probably this season. So while I don’t think they’ll be in line for food stamps anytime soon, they need the cash injection for sure.
stickguy
4/11/2011-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
I would love to know exactly how wealthy they really are, with so much tied up in real estate, leases, etc. And how much they could raise if they decided to ditch the real estate part to hang onto the team.
TRS86
4/11/2011-3:55pm at 3:55 pm (UTC -4)
What I am saying is that they will most likely pay off their short term dept, use it to pay current players salaries that may have been difficult already and then sit on the rest of it. They have plenty of money coming off to pay for Reyes next year if they want.
kistics
4/11/2011-3:58pm at 3:58 pm (UTC -4)
Maybe you are right. But having that extra $200-250M would not hurt the chances of re-signing Reyes.
stickguy
4/11/2011-3:51pm at 3:51 pm (UTC -4)
my guess (since that madoff payout could be way down the road at this pace) is that a big chunk of it will go to paying off debts (the 25mill MLB loan, etc) and covering ongoing expense.
saltygary
4/11/2011-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
That $200m probably won’t even hit the Wilpons accounts and go strait to the Madoff fund.
kistics
4/11/2011-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
I guess you can always be skeptical on what Jeff says, but he firmly noted that the $200M will strictly stay with the team and not to any funds or trustees. Do we trust what he says? Who knows….
saltygary
4/11/2011-4:04pm at 4:04 pm (UTC -4)
They wouldn’t be doing this unless they needed money to cover the settlement. So I don’t see it as being skeptical I just see it that they need to raise capital to pay off debt and that is where the money is going.
stickguy
4/11/2011-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
Bay being out at the same time Beltran is getting 1/3 of the games off is leading to all the tinkering.
if Bay finally gets back and just plays every day, and Beltran can creep up to 5 out of 6 played instead of 4, the lineup should settle down. The stiffs can go back to being on the bench where they belong.
although once the OF is settled, they are going to have to make a decision about 2B. A couple more weeks of non-hitting by Emaus, and something will have to be done.
TRS86
4/11/2011-3:37pm at 3:37 pm (UTC -4)
Still too much tinkering regardless in my opinion. Just place Pagan 2nd and leave him there. Then tinker with your non-everyday players.
Moving from 4th to 5th like Ike has to do does nothing really to your approach. Hitting 2nd behind Reyes and 5th behind Ike are two completely different approaches.
stickguy
4/11/2011-3:49pm at 3:49 pm (UTC -4)
I agree about pagan, but that is a side effect of Bay being out. Below Ike, no one is hitting for any power, and pagan (in theory) can at least be a run producer.
and Thole should be hitting higher than 8th. Heck, I would put him 2nd before Murphy or harris.
TRS86
4/11/2011-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
Duda, Harris and Hairston all have as much “pop” as Pagan.
stickguy
4/11/2011-4:57pm at 4:57 pm (UTC -4)
they just weren’t showing it, except a couple of time for Harris. So if anything, he should be the guy hitting down in a run producing spot.
TRS86
4/11/2011-5:06pm at 5:06 pm (UTC -4)
At this point neither is Pagan. I just don’t think you should be tinkering that drastically with an everyday player. Ike hitting 4th or 5th is nothing big at all. Hitting 2nd, 5th and 7th are much much different.
metsfan4decades
4/11/2011-4:08pm at 4:08 pm (UTC -4)
Not sure I’ve seen the same lineup twice yet this year.
I realize, as other have pointed out, that no Bay and Beltran-less-days is the majority of the reason.
However, I still rather see Pagan hitting 2nd, period.
TRS86
4/11/2011-4:24pm at 4:24 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. I think honestly with Pagan struggling I wonder if Terry think having him take pitches behind Reyes will keep him from getting in a Willie like rhythm?
kistics
4/11/2011-4:32pm at 4:32 pm (UTC -4)
So..
Reyes
Pagan
Wright
Beltran
Ike
Depends
On
Opposing
Pitcher?
TRS86
4/11/2011-4:35pm at 4:35 pm (UTC -4)
Well with Pagan floating right now too I can’t say that would work either.
Hopefully as we all have said things will settle down if Bay comes back.
njstuckintx
4/11/2011-4:42pm at 4:42 pm (UTC -4)
Pagan, Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Ike, Bay, Emaus/Murph, Thole.
that’s my story and i’m sticking to it.
metsfan4decades
4/11/2011-4:46pm at 4:46 pm (UTC -4)
Not bad but the problem with this lineup to me is adjusting the cleanup hitter every time Beltran isn’t playing.
Back when he signed, I believe the mindset was Bay was going to hit cleanup. Since that didn’t work out – and not sure it ever will, what do you all think about hitting Ike cleanup?
Going to have to figure something out anyway if we all believe Beltran will be gone mid season.
njstuckintx
4/11/2011-4:52pm at 4:52 pm (UTC -4)
They way he’s hitting, you should just make Ike the cleanup hitter. he’s going to play every day as it is.
njstuckintx
4/11/2011-4:53pm at 4:53 pm (UTC -4)
So yeah, I agree with your assessment of Ike for cleanup.
TRS86
4/11/2011-4:57pm at 4:57 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think having Davis switch between 4/5 really matters that much at all. The role is almost exactly the same and for the most part he has the same guys hitting behind him. Does not seem to be bothering him for sure. Much more concerned about the constant Pagan tinkering and having a new #2 every night.
TRS86
4/11/2011-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
In other words if you leave Pagan alone in the 2 hole then you will not have to have Davis going 6-4 all the time. There is a much bigger difference in hitting in the 5 spot and the 6 spot in my opinion.
TRS86
4/11/2011-5:01pm at 5:01 pm (UTC -4)
That being said, it’s funny his OPS is exactly the same this year in the 4th, 5th and 6th spots.
TRS86
4/11/2011-4:56pm at 4:56 pm (UTC -4)
Reyes does not want to hit anything but 1st and especially in his walk year would be pouting like a school boy if you took him out of that spot again. Also, as I mentioned he just does not have the patience needed to hit 2nd. Pagan would never get a chance to steal a base.
njstuckintx
4/11/2011-5:01pm at 5:01 pm (UTC -4)
so he can have the chance to get a guaranteed 1 time at bat without anyone on base?
I would think the last thing he would want to do is pout in his walk year. granted, that would probably kill the Mets chances at re-signing him.
TRS86
4/11/2011-5:04pm at 5:04 pm (UTC -4)
It’s all in a name baby. He’s a “lead off hitter” messes with his mind if you move him down. Not real sure how it messes with him considering he takes a #6 hitters mindset to the lead-off position anyway.
njstuckintx
4/11/2011-5:11pm at 5:11 pm (UTC -4)
You could call me the king of scumbags, but if that title comes with the salary Reyes is kicking, Subjects… Bow to your King.
stickguy
4/11/2011-4:56pm at 4:56 pm (UTC -4)
I have been on the Ike at cleanup every day bandwagon for a while now. beltran can hit 5th. bay 6th. Then thole and and the 2B. Nice L/R symmetry.
TRS86
4/11/2011-5:03pm at 5:03 pm (UTC -4)
To me I just don’t think that one matters. I like having Beltran 4th and Ike 5th. Fine at this point with Bay 6th. You are talking at least 67% of your games at this point having Beltran in there.
saltygary
4/11/2011-5:36pm at 5:36 pm (UTC -4)
If Ike is going to keep hitting all those RBI’s and have an above .3 average the 4th would be just fine.