" I'm feeling much better !!"
I admit this has been a very painful start of the Mets season. I don’t think I have seen this team come out so slow since names like Bailor, Ownby and Morales graced the back of the Mets pinstriped uniforms. If you listen to the media, read the papers and take the pulse of the Mets fan base, they will conclude that the Mets season is over – finito, time to cash in the chips and wait until next season.
But is it really time to bury the Mets? First off they have not been playing at full strength. Jason Bay is expected back this week , which makes both the starting lineup as well as the bench a lot stronger. Secondly we are about to play a stretch of games against bad teams which includes the Astros, Diamondbacks and the Washington Nationals. These are teams that we know the Mets are better than. And if the Mets can finally get their act together and go 9-2 against these teams – well then it would be a whole new ball game now wouldn’t it ?
I know right now that Chris Young is on the shelf and Mike Pelfrey seems to be trying to find his form from last season, but Dickey seems to be getting back on track since his meltdown on Mets opening day two weeks ago,and Chris Capuano seems to be better than decent when he keeps the ball in the park. Jon Niese has been a hard luck loser, pitching well enough to lose, and Dillon Gee has the stuff to be a under the radar pitcher like Rick Reed.
I have maintained that this team will more than likely not make the playoffs, but they will make a strong push until the last week of September, so far they have proved me wrong, but it’s is hardly the time to bury this team.
And with that said…. HERE COMES THE INFAMY !!!!
Mets alumni celebrating birthdays today include:
Mets starting pitcher from ’89-’91, Frank Viola is 51 (1960). If there was ever a player for the Mets who could be described as a mystery wrapped in a enigma it would be Frank Viola. When Frank was first obtained by the Mets at the trade deadline in ’89 for Rick Aguilera, Dave West, Kevin Tapani and 2 minor leaguers, it was thought that he would be the final piece that would clinch the Mets chances of making the post season. Viola pitched decently, going 5-5 with a ERA of 3.38, but the Mets barely missed the post season. He went 20-12 in ’90 but had a abysmal ’91 season ,where he went 13-15 with a ERA of 3.97. He is currently the pitching coach for the Mets short season, Brooklyn Cyclones affiliate.
Back up catcher from ’96 season, Brent Mayne is 43 (1968) .
One of Omar Minaya’s biggest follies, flame throwing reliever from the ’07 season, Ambiorix Burgos is 27 (1984) . If there will ever be a Mets Hall of Shame , I would think that Burgos’s off field antics ( spousal abuser, alleged murderer ) would give him the dishonor of being a charter member. It makes me wish that Brian Bannister was still a Met.
The New York Mets traded shortstop, Tim Foli and minor league player, Greg Field to the Pittsburgh Pirates for shortstop, Frank Taveras on April 19, 1979. It was the typical uninspiring deal for a awful team. At least I got to see ” Crazy Horse” play a game in a Mets uniform.
I wonder who would win in a hot dog eating contest – Mo Vaughn or Mike Francessa !!!!
82 comments
gategem
4/19/2011-8:47am at 8:47 am (UTC -4)
If I discount my obsession to want the Mets to do well and if I discount those that through denial, delusion and rationalization believe the Mets to be a contender then based upon what I have read and my own opinion tempered by over sixty years of playing and observing baseball the Mets are not a contender and are in a rebuilding stage. Thus discussing whether or not at this early date whether the club’s season is lost or not is a moot point and the only criteria I will use in evaluating this season will be whether the new management team makes significnt progress towards rebuilding this franchise.
rustyjr
4/19/2011-9:07am at 9:07 am (UTC -4)
Call me delusional but I feel if all breaks well they could get a wild card slot – or just fall short
ajgmets
4/19/2011-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
Fat, Drunk and delusional is no way to root for the Mets Ed. Or maybe it is…hmmm.
Okay so maybe you’ve lost weight and have put the bottle of Jack down to write this, but you must have been passed out when the Mets dropped 2 of 3, AT HOME, to the “lowly” Nationals and obviously discard the doubleheader sweepings of last week as merely “stepping stones of character building” failures. Praying for breaks from an atheist is somewhat troubling though.
Bring on the Astros, D Backs and Nationals you say… “These are teams that we know the Mets are better than.”
Pass the Kool Aid please.
Since “Saldy” admitted that “fan reaction” played into his releasing Perez and Castillo, I now realize that fans’ negative or realistic outlooks for the team must have some impact on how the team performs. Your and numerous other real and imagined media’s “positive” comments would appear to be inspirationally indicative to that end.
I’m as pie in sky optimistic as any Mets fan but we need to have some idea of where the ground actually is or we’ll continue this freefall into the abyss of MLB insignificance.
On the positive side, I guess we should also point to Pelfrey’s new “Mental Coach” alliance in addition to the hope for a return to 2009 form from the hopefully soon returning Bay as well as the juggling of the lineup as signs of some improvement for the near future.
As I continue to spin my “negativity’ I also would hate to mention the continued ridiculously poor fundamental physical and mental mistakes being made in game after game by players and the manager. These glaring failures would be ALMOST understandable if we fans hadn’t been force fed the sugar coated cookie crumbs offered to us by management as they promised “a better atmosphere” with the focus on fundamentally sound baseball.
The fact that the organization has limited funds and the new General Manager knew this coming in should have led the team in a marketing direction and organizational strategy that other “small market” inconsequential teams put forward. One that promises a focus on development and building, not performing fire drill exercises to fill holes with the cheap signings of Willie Harris, Scott Hairston and the two Chris’s (Young and Capuano).
Three weeks into the 2011 campaign, I’ve seen enough of Willie Harris and Scott Hairston trying to be everyday players (these guys were role players for a reason) and we’ve now seen the flash of light in Young’s nice start extinguished by his first trek to the DL as a Met. If Bay is unable to return by Thursday as is currently forecasted, I’d rather see Nick Evans man left field.
This organization needs to be sold as soon as possible.
The handcuffs in place due to ownership’s financial failings are cutting off the circulation to the brains of the Mets “Brain Trust”
Too negative? Nah just too realistic.
Anyway, Keep fighting Ed, your prayerful approach is at least admirable
gategem
4/19/2011-11:01am at 11:01 am (UTC -4)
LOL Just think “Lucy in the Sky …….”
TRS86
4/19/2011-8:55am at 8:55 am (UTC -4)
I feeeeeeeeeeeel happy!
rustyjr
4/19/2011-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
Sarcasm ?
TRS86
4/19/2011-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
OK, you can’t use a Monty Python picture and not know the rest of that scene. LOL.
rustyjr
4/19/2011-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
Sorry – tired
kistics
4/19/2011-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
The Astros, DBacks and Nats may feel the same way. “Look, we’re playing the Mets. We can get at least 2 out of 3!”
kingman 26
4/19/2011-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
+ 50
kingman 26
4/19/2011-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
Well my friend, if they do in fact go 9-2 in a nine-game stretch, we will have a serious story!!
kistics
4/19/2011-10:20am at 10:20 am (UTC -4)
+50
metsgirl31
4/19/2011-9:28am at 9:28 am (UTC -4)
Yes, it is too early to give up. While not encouraged by the standard of play thus far, I still believe they can turn it around. It’s baseball and no one predicted the Indians would play over .700 baseball so far. It’s a long season and anything can happen.
njstuckintx
4/19/2011-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
AdamRubinESPNAdamRubinESPN: In-depth: Mike Pelfrey meets Don Carman, his new mental strength coach.
I didn’t realize they had mental strength coaches…
metsfan4decades
4/19/2011-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
I had cautiously optimistic views of the team going in.
Being realistic though and what we’ve viewed thus far, I have to believe everything would have to break right for this team to contend.
That being said, that might be exactly what the FO is thinking as well. Let’s hope the eye is truly on the future here. I’m willing to forego contention this year if they go forward in 2012 with some smarts. Spending low this year and holding out until the money comes off the books was not a bad idea.
Now….witnessing a firesale mid/end of season is not going to make this Met fan very happy. Need to keep the young core who make sense going forward and build on that.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
There is very little evidence that a fire sale of Reyes proportions is going to happen. Beat writers linking to themselves is not evidence thankfully.
wannybackstra
4/19/2011-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
Well, there is evidence if you count the fact that the Mets have publicly admitted to not having money and the standings already reflecting an unlikelihood of competing this year. There was also just an offseason in which the Mets did not spend real money on any players.
What kind of evidence would you like? Audio of Alderson’s conversations? Alderson’s Internet browser history showing that he’s been looking at Reyes’ stats on baseball-reference.com and comparing them to other players? What exactly would you like? Alderson to make a public pronouncement?
kingman 26
4/19/2011-11:03am at 11:03 am (UTC -4)
LOL.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-11:04am at 11:04 am (UTC -4)
Alderson publicly admitted that so far he’s not expecting to be limited in his persuit of players for next season, or this trading deadline. That doesn’t sound like “publicly admitted to not having money” never mind that they’re going to get a cash influx from the partial sale.
Alderson’s stated that he likes homegrown players and understands the off the field impact they have on fans.
The standings don’t reflect anything on 4/19 less than 10% of the way in.
Alderson/theMets were never planning on spending money this offseason, and there wasn’t really a lot to spend on either. At least not wisely.
Those all suggest Reyes staying. Can you give me more than veiled rumors from non-Mets employees and uninformed financial opinions that suggest he’s going anywhere?
wannybackstra
4/19/2011-11:18am at 11:18 am (UTC -4)
Uninformed financial opinions such as the Mets own press release announcing that they need an influx of cash because of the restitution they will have to pay re: Madoff? Uninformed opinions like the obvious asses missing from the seats in the building?
C’mon already.
I have no idea if they’re going to trade him. But I can certainly see why they might.
And Alderson saying the things fans want to hear publicly is not evidence of anything. Would you rather he say “ring ring ring the sale is on!”
kingman 26
4/19/2011-11:19am at 11:19 am (UTC -4)
Alderson very publicly also said that he expected payroll to be much lower and stay there. The cash influx from a partial sale–if it happens–will go to the Madoff clawback fund. They’re trying to sell part of the team to survive, to be able to keep the team, and to be able to pay off the possible results of pending litigation, not to go on a player-acquisition spending spree.
The standings reflect a very mediocre team.
In a 16 team league, the Mets BA/OBP/SLG/OPS right now rank 13/13/13/12.
Pitching? ERA-15. R-16. BB-16.
Surely these numbers reflect nothing.
wannybackstra
4/19/2011-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
I’ve long ago realized that anything that reflects negatively on the Mets is either uninformed or doesn’t matter in Ceetar’s world. The standings last year must also have been uninformed.
kingman 26
4/19/2011-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
+ Infinity.
Everything since Wainwright’s curve has been uninformed.
And really, deciding that game and that series by that one pitch really was unfair use of such a “small sample size.”
Ceetar
4/19/2011-11:35am at 11:35 am (UTC -4)
If you think Beltran sucks cause he struck out on a good pitch once…
Ceetar
4/19/2011-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
yes, but he was talking (and clarified) more in the 120-130 range, not the 85 range and we’re gonna spend nothing!
the money will not go into any clawback fund. It will go towards the team. You know it’s Sterling and not the Mets being sued right? subsidiaries are still allowed to operate. When you buy a beer, all the money doesn’t go right into the clawback fund, it goes to the Mets. big difference.
It’s not like it’s a player acquistion anyway. They’d be paying (likely anyway) Reyes next year less than they’re paying Reyes+Castillo this year.
TRS86
4/19/2011-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
Of course in my opinion both sides are trying to make this too black and white.
If you think the Mets will go down to a 85M payroll, that’s foolish right now.
HOWEVER,
If you think that they are selling up to 49% of the team and have taken loans from MLB just to reinvest it all in the team payroll, that also is very foolish.
The answer my friends is right in the middle.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
and right in the middle, ~130, makes Reyes very very affordable, plus he’s likely at least a financially neutral guy as he draws a lot of fans to the team. Especially considering the step down in talent/wins at SS if they trade him.
TRS86
4/19/2011-11:50am at 11:50 am (UTC -4)
130 is most likely not realistic either. Think 115-120.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
I’m just going off of Alderson’s statements.
Regardless, my original point was that it’s hardly a foregone conclusion that Reyes is leaving, and that report of a rival! executive or beat writers linking to each other isn’t evidence that it’s inevitable.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
What benefit does Alderson get from getting our hopes up about resigning him only to not? Direct quote:
” I would say this: given all the money we have coming off the books, even the kind of money one would anticipate Jose Reyes trying to get, we should have room to accommodate that, even there were a somewhat reduced payroll, which I’m not saying there will be, but even if there were there would be room to sign Jose Reyes”
wannybackstra
4/19/2011-11:58am at 11:58 am (UTC -4)
I thought the answer was blowing in the wind.
saltygary
4/19/2011-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
Ceet,dancing doesn’t draw fans to the stadium, winning does. This team with the same record would have no attendance difference with or without Reyes. If the team got a decent package in return, and started to trend up, then the fans will forget Jose in a NY minute.
It just makes no sense to me to tie up so much money in SS when the team has no money to spend.
saltygary
4/19/2011-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
Ceet, that quote is to not intended to get your hopes up but is trying to settle down fears of financial doom that’s. Plus as the days go along and more information comes to light about the Wilpon’s issues the more incorrect that quote becomes.
metsfan4decades
4/19/2011-12:04pm at 12:04 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, I remember this quote.
The translation can be taken literally, IMO – such as we’ll have the kind of money it takes to resign Reyes or it can taken like:
‘we don’t really have the money for this one big FA signing and fill other holes so we’ll let Reyes walk and spend that money on all the other holes.’
I still say if Reyes is not resigned it’s about the money and nothing but the money.
kistics
4/19/2011-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
I think if Reyes has MVP type of season (like ’06), the Mets are foolish not to seriously consider re-sign him (assuming that he doesn’t get traded). But I believe that IF they bring back Reyes, they might not have the money to sign anybody else significant.
kistics
4/19/2011-12:07pm at 12:07 pm (UTC -4)
Ceetar, I also remember that quote from Alderson. I believe he also said something like “we may not be able to sign anybody else significant, but we can sign Jose”
Ceetar
4/19/2011-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
Well being that it’s a quote from less than a month ago I don’t think much has come to light in that time, plus it’s still completely unclear how much money the Wilpons will actually owe. There isn’t a single person on this planet that knows. So so so much depends on that, and it might not even be decided this year. Does that help or hurt? who knows. maybe it frees them up to spend. Maybe it depends on revenue this year.
You can choose to analyze every statement the team makes as deluded spin, but no one actually knows what’s going to happen. It certainly could happen the way they say.
ajgmets
4/19/2011-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
This partial sale smokescreen is utter nonsense.. The Wilpons and bedfellows need to get out of the baseball business and stop “laundering” their Mets income to pay for their privileges of making poor investment decisions and the inevitable legal losses forthcoming
..
Uncle Bud needs to step in and force their hand..ie.. Sell full interest in the franchise. ” In the best interests of baseball” and our sanity and hope!
kingman 26
4/19/2011-11:59am at 11:59 am (UTC -4)
“the money will not go into any clawback fund.”
Unreal.
I cannot believe I am AGAIN validating what you say by debating you.
Have a nice day.
TRS86
4/19/2011-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think all of it will go in either. Most? Maybe. The Mets need money for the short term as well. Lack of attendance and other sources of income being down has produced a need for current cash on top of the future demand in the lawsuit. Thus some of that money will most likely be used to pay current bills, salary for the next couple of years AND the clawback fund.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-12:02pm at 12:02 pm (UTC -4)
yes, apparently you ARE the Mets lawyers! maybe you should spend less time on blogs and more time working the case.
saltygary
4/19/2011-12:12pm at 12:12 pm (UTC -4)
First the minority owner would only get 25%, then it was upped to 49%. SNY was never to be on the table, now it is. The Wilpon’s are scrambling, and even if they don’t have to pay back a dollar to the fund, they are still broke.
What people keep forgetting is how entrenched the entire Katz and Wipon families are into this mess. These are multiple branches of very wealthy families that have kids and grand-kids that are now broke. Their standard of living is gone. They are eating kraft mac and cheese to survive. The Mets are a very small piece.
http://www.sterlingequities.com/about/leadership.php
kingman 26
4/19/2011-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
When everything is settled, you will be wrong once again Ceetar.
As you almost always are.
TRS86
4/19/2011-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
I still don’t get why you guys have to make things so personal. State your damn opinions, discuss them at length and move on.
kistics
4/19/2011-12:51pm at 12:51 pm (UTC -4)
No Career Opportunities at Sterling Equities… damn
metsfan4decades
4/19/2011-12:57pm at 12:57 pm (UTC -4)
Hey, nothing wrong with mac and cheese….
metsfan4decades
4/19/2011-10:58am at 10:58 am (UTC -4)
It’s that ‘if you’re going to trade Reyes and/or let him walk might as well trade Wright, etc’….mindset that’s starting to worry me.
ajgmets
4/19/2011-10:47am at 10:47 am (UTC -4)
metsfan4decades…Quit being so ingeniously and accurately succinct.
I know my incessant blathering is inane and long winded but you don’t have to slap me in the face with your simple summarization. LMAO
metsfan4decades
4/19/2011-10:57am at 10:57 am (UTC -4)
hahahaha
Aig…I almost responded to your comment above saying:
‘What he said’……
Ceetar
4/19/2011-10:48am at 10:48 am (UTC -4)
Ya gotta believe.
and if not, it’s freaking April 19th and even the Pirates are still in it.
saltygary
4/19/2011-12:46pm at 12:46 pm (UTC -4)
How in the world can little Norma-Jean Katz eat her ramen noodles with froie gras and shaved white truffles if the Mets resign Reyes? This is unacceptable.
kistics
4/19/2011-12:59pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
If the Yanks are playing bad and losing money 2-3 years in a row, they would have to reduce payroll as well. I’m not sure if we can blame everything on Madoff for all these financial difficulties for the Mets.
njstuckintx
4/19/2011-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
That’s all semantics, really. YES can show a profit, the Yankees can show a loss for tax benefits and overall Steinbrenner and Co. will come out with fat stacks o’ cash in their wallets.
I’m not sure how the Mets structure plays out that way. I mean, I’m sure SNY is profitable, so overall the team may show a loss, but the rest may show a profit. i dunno.
kistics
4/19/2011-1:08pm at 1:08 pm (UTC -4)
My point is that you have to project future payroll based on expected return. And if it means lowering the payroll down to $100M to have good return, that’s going to be the number. With the team performing like this, the expected return is very very low.
TRS86
4/19/2011-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
True but then you have to think what it will take to improve the team to make more money. There is a lot that goes into making the team both profitable and competitive, much more than we know for sure. That is why for now I trust Sandy.
TRS86
4/19/2011-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
Not sure the Yanks analogy works but overall yeah. The Phillies did not find a bucket of magic gold that they are now spending. Once their old guys start to decline and it shows in the standings, they too will have to reduce payroll.
saltygary
4/19/2011-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
Per Rubin’s chat…
Tom (Brooklyn)
For the 2012 season, the New York Mets payroll will be around………??
Adam Rubin
(12:05 PM)
$100 million, is my guess. Which means a lot of the $60 million to $70 million coming off may not be reinvested.
metsfan4decades
4/19/2011-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
Won’t surprise me, but then again it’s just a guess. That’s all anyone can do at this point but guess.
metsfan4decades
4/19/2011-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t know about you guys but I’d wish they just declare bankruptcy and sell the team or get the investors and settle the lawsuit so we can all stop debating this.
Someone said it above. None of us really have a clue where they’re really at and what they’re really planning going forward. That leaves all kinds of speculations on the table from us fans.
Should we be addressing the elephant in the room (or is that a monkey?):
Is all this talk about the Wilpons, the lawsuit, the money affecting the players? Is that part of the reason we’re watching some of this poor play?
saltygary
4/19/2011-1:03pm at 1:03 pm (UTC -4)
Thomas C (Brooklyn )
How likely is it the Mets trade Reyes?Do you ever see Wright being capable of lowering his swings and misses, strike outs.
Adam Rubin
(12:12 PM)
I think it’s far more likely than not that Jose Reyes gets traded before July 31 — and potentially sooner, where the Mets can get more for him, if this winning percentage persists. We’ve mentioned it before, but there are several factors that lead me to that conclusion: Sandy Alderson likely is not going to be inclined to give a player $100 million-plus who is dependent on his legs and is approaching his 30s. And the front office believes in on-base percentage, which is not Reyes’ forte. It’s not that Jose wants to leave or the Mets want him out, but the money and years as a free agent very likely would be better elsewhere. You might as well get what you can for him then. Word is the new collective bargaining agreement will eliminate the first-round compensation for losing a free agent. Which means the Mets could lose Jose and not have anything better to show for it than, say, the 31st overall pick in the draft as compensation.
metsfan4decades
4/19/2011-1:35pm at 1:35 pm (UTC -4)
Ugh…is all I have to say.
kistics
4/19/2011-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
Has Sandy come out and say that “I will not spend $100M+ on anyone”?
I really question that statement, because (1) Sandy has never had the luxury to be able to sign $100M+ player. And (2) If Tulo fell on their laps and would have to sign him to $100M+ or lose him, you don’t think Sandy would do that (assuming he has the money to sign him)?
Do I think that Jose will be a Met next season? I think there’s less than 50% chance. But Sandy won’t spend $100M+ on any player is not one of the reasons.
TRS86
4/19/2011-1:49pm at 1:49 pm (UTC -4)
Right and honestly I am not sure Reyes gets 100M. Stop with the Crawford comparisons, they just don’t work.
kistics
4/19/2011-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
I re-read that quote from Rubin. He said that Sandy will not spend $100+M on a player that is dependent on his legs and approaching 30. I can buy that. But I don’t think anyone would sign him to a 10 year deal. I can see a 6 year deal and he’ll be 34-35 by the end of his contract. That’s not that old where your speed diminishes significantly.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-2:11pm at 2:11 pm (UTC -4)
‘approaching 30′ is a stretch. Strasburg is approaching 30 too. It fails to mention that the contract would span what’s generally considered “his prime”.
wannybackstra
4/19/2011-2:30pm at 2:30 pm (UTC -4)
He’ll be 28 by the end of this season. He will be over 30 for the majority his next contract. And his game is reliant on speed.
Approaching 30 is not a stretch. And posts like this one are the latest in your line of posts that are making it difficult to read the comments section to this site.
You are ridiculously bitter toward anything that doesn’t state in sum or substance that the Mets are great. It’s like listening to a six year old argue in school that his favorite team is better than his classmate’s.
And your next comment is barely written in English, by the way.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-2:35pm at 2:35 pm (UTC -4)
i’m not bitter towards anything but idiots that insist everything is negative without a shadow of a doubt. So much so that when I present the facts or evidence that suggest everything might not be as dark and gloomy as you want it to be, it gets misread into me proclaming the Mets will go 162-0 and never do anything wrong ever.
kingman 26
4/19/2011-2:41pm at 2:41 pm (UTC -4)
I am with Wanny 100%.
TRS86
4/19/2011-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
Actually it’s just obvious that some are at different ends of the spectrum. This is going to be a long enough season without constantly attacking each other personally.
I agree with you Wanny that there is more to not wanting to sign Reyes 6/100 than just money. Would I? yeah, I’m a fan. Not really my money. Would Sandy? Not so sure yet and honestly I don’t think ANYONE can predict accurately at this point if Reyes is or is not in the Mets future plans.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
Also, his statements are based on an opposing executive’s anon quote about 100 million contract, and his guess that the payroll will be much much less than it is. If his guess is wrong, and Reyes commands less than 100 million..
TRS86
4/19/2011-2:15pm at 2:15 pm (UTC -4)
Are we sure about that? Especially post ped’s era. How old does Jeter look? He was 36 last year.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
it’s more the post amphetamines era, i imagine PEDs and HGH are still out there, and rampant.
But i think the idea that 27-31ish are the prime goes back further than the steroid era.
He’d turn 34 in the 6th year of the deal. That’s not horribly old. And, since you mentioned Jeter, Reyes is a guy that can drive the b all into the gap and over the wall, something that _won’t_ decline. he’ll get less triples out of it, and probably less doubles too, but it’s not like he’s going suddenly be trash.
TRS86
4/19/2011-2:54pm at 2:54 pm (UTC -4)
Middle IF age at a much higher rate than LF and 1B.
kistics
4/19/2011-3:24pm at 3:24 pm (UTC -4)
Ricky Henderson stole 66 bases when he was 39. Granted that he may have been on PED, but that is still 5 years older than where Reyes will be at the end of his contract.
Last season Pierre stole 68 at 32yr, Figgins stole 42 at 32yr, Ichiro stole 42 at 36yr, Posednik stole 35 at 34yr…
Will Reyes steal 70+ bases when he’s 34? Probably not, but his legs will still have some value in justifying high salary.
TRS86
4/19/2011-3:32pm at 3:32 pm (UTC -4)
Which one of those guys has missed significant time in their history with leg injuries?
Ceetar
4/19/2011-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
sloppy reply by Rubin.
saltygary
4/19/2011-2:21pm at 2:21 pm (UTC -4)
How in the world is that statement sloppy? It might not be what you want to read but it is a well thought out argument with multiple points backing it up. In a chat room no less.
Ceetar
4/19/2011-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
It’s a chat room, which is why it’s forgivable, and why I didn’t read it.
but guesses at payroll, repeating the OBP cliche about the front office like there’s some magic number OBP that he needs to get to be resigned.
Then there is this. I’m not sure if he’s correct or not, but
The current CBA expires on Dec. 11, 2011.
does this mean that the draft pick rule falls upon the time of the draft, or the time of the free agent signing? I’m guessing it’s the former, but I haven’t seen it conclusively anywhere.
TRS86
4/19/2011-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
I am not a Rubin rah rah guy to say the least, however, calling this response sloppy is well uh… sloppy.
Honestly for a chat-room it’s more than I would expect from a beat reporter. Can’t say I agree with any of it but they ask for his opinion and he provided it.
saltygary
4/19/2011-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
thank you…
kingman 26
4/19/2011-3:17pm at 3:17 pm (UTC -4)
Thank you both.
OMG already!
wannybackstra
4/19/2011-3:22pm at 3:22 pm (UTC -4)
It”s sloppy because it is uninformed and irrelevant. In other words, it does not reach the conclusion Ceetar would like.