Mets Sunday lineup @ NYY: Reyes SS, Murphy 1B, Beltran DH, Bay LF, Martinez RF, Turner 2B, Harris 3B, Paulino C, Pridie CF. Pelfrey RHPless than a minute ago via HootSuite 
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35 comments
darknova306
5/22/2011-12:45pm at 12:45 pm (UTC -4)
Turner is red hot right now and Bay has been a waste of life for this team. How is Bay still hitting cleanup?
metsfan4decades
5/22/2011-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
And why is FMart hitting in front of Turner? Protection? Kid’s gotta prove he can hit up here first to afford that reputation.
gategem
5/22/2011-3:56pm at 3:56 pm (UTC -4)
Terry has this team playing hard but his in-game managing is borderline incompetent.
kingman 26
5/22/2011-4:11pm at 4:11 pm (UTC -4)
Not really.
They just don’t have enough talent to beat good teams.
That’s what is most obvious.
gategem
5/22/2011-5:09pm at 5:09 pm (UTC -4)
Part of being a successful manager is knowing your personnel. Pelfrey historically has been subject to meltdowns when adversity strikes. After not fielding the goundball through the middle Pelfrey’s body language spoke volumes. I immediately thought that Pelfrey would become unglued. He allowed his inability to field that groundball to occupy a disproportionate amount of his attention. He basically lost his focus. Since Pelfrey has exhibited this type of behavior throughout his career it was necessary to get someone up in the bullpen immediately.
I know you like Collins because he has the team playing hard and while this is a prerequisite for any manager you would also like to have someone that not only gets his team to play hard for him but has Davey Johnson type intelligent in-game managing.
kingman 26
5/22/2011-5:12pm at 5:12 pm (UTC -4)
Well, all of this definitely makes sense.
I guess for me, I am taking the positive route—the culture is 100% different, and while you are probably right about Pelf, I just don’t see a different result in Yankee Stadium with Misch and Byrdak.
metsfan4decades
5/22/2011-4:14pm at 4:14 pm (UTC -4)
That was one ugly inning.
We all know this lineup is depleted.
I had no problem with Pelf starting the 2nd, but after the walk, why not pull him? Our BP has been good.
But after the beaning? I have no idea why Collins stuck with Pelf there. He was already visibly made at himself for not getting that first hit up the middle. Then the walk, then the beaning.
From there, it all fell apart.
njstuckintx
5/22/2011-4:22pm at 4:22 pm (UTC -4)
I like Pelf, but I want to see him gone. He’s shown to be consistently good enough to have “talent and potential” make a case to keep him, yet he yips it up at the same level of consistently. I know, the pitching staff is an area of concern, but if Pelf brings in return (Minor league pitcher and an OF prospect), I think you have to lean towards doing it over not.
hazmet
5/22/2011-4:29pm at 4:29 pm (UTC -4)
I would jetison Pelfrey as quickly as you can say Matt Harvey. After his performance in Philly earlier this year I’m done with Cybil Pelfrey. I know it’s too soon for Harvey but I am done with Small Pelf. In his entire time with the Mets I can only recall him pitching up to the size of the game one time and that was a game in the second half of the season in Atlanta in like 2008 or 2009. It was Saturday game of the week. Other than that lone moment he’s been a gargantuan disappointment imo.
hazmet
5/22/2011-4:31pm at 4:31 pm (UTC -4)
Quick poll: At this stage who would you have more confidence pitching a big game?
a) Mike Pelfrey
b) Nelson Figueroa
kingman 26
5/22/2011-4:38pm at 4:38 pm (UTC -4)
And you last saw Figgy pitch well in a big game when exactly?
hazmet
5/22/2011-4:48pm at 4:48 pm (UTC -4)
That’s exactly my point. I have about that much confidence in Pelf. He’s an oversized weak minded tomato can.
kingman 26
5/22/2011-4:52pm at 4:52 pm (UTC -4)
“He’s an oversized weak minded tomato can.”
Well, this may be the best one-sentence evaluation of Pelf yet offered.
hazmet
5/22/2011-4:56pm at 4:56 pm (UTC -4)
lmfao – you always know how to cheer me up.
I’m a ball of laughs when I get down on a player….
metsfan4decades
5/22/2011-4:40pm at 4:40 pm (UTC -4)
LOL…that’s some choice.
metsfan4decades
5/22/2011-4:44pm at 4:44 pm (UTC -4)
I have to say, I’m done with this craziness with Pelfrey and his confidence.
The idea is to win ballgames, not nurse your SP psyche out there.
If you want to pitch here, then show you can pitch here. Period.
Why should Collins have to hold his hand through each outing?
Once he walked the second batter, he should have been lifted, whether he wanted to stay or not. He’s not Dickey or Gee – two I would have more confidence could get out of that jam there.
But after the beaning? Definitely should have come out. Period.
You know your offense is anemic right now.
I mean do we want to win these games or not?
hazmet
5/22/2011-4:51pm at 4:51 pm (UTC -4)
I’m so biting my tongue watching this Pelfrey interview in front of his locker….
metsfan4decades
5/22/2011-4:57pm at 4:57 pm (UTC -4)
Watched too. What’s he going to say there though?
He didn’t get the job done.
He’s been in the majors too long now for his confidence level to be so dependent on one or two bad batters/pitchers.
hazmet
5/22/2011-5:00pm at 5:00 pm (UTC -4)
Alrighty, I’ll play. What I was thinking watching him staring up at the ceiling moving his head from side to side was that if you threw a pair of sunglasses on him he’d be accused of doing a Stevie Wonder impersonation.
I’d have more faith in Stevie pitching right now.
metsfan4decades
5/22/2011-5:03pm at 5:03 pm (UTC -4)
It was very hard to watch that interview. But it was very telling as well.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Pelfrey is what he is.
I think it’s time we started thinking about parting company with him.
njstuckintx
5/22/2011-5:07pm at 5:07 pm (UTC -4)
Especially with that escalating salary of his.
kingman 26
5/22/2011-4:53pm at 4:53 pm (UTC -4)
VS AZ/HOU/WASH/LAD— 13-7
VS FLA/PHIL/SF/ATL/COL /NYY– 9-17.
The team is playing hard and winning when they should; we should be happy for that. The country-club slacker era is over.
But until we have more talent, no way we can aspire to be a .500+ team.
If Collins yanks Pelf earlier, so what; Misch or someone still gives up a huge hit to Jeter or someone else.
metsfan4decades
5/22/2011-4:59pm at 4:59 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t agree with that last statement.
Pitchers have a different approach with men on base, especially bases loaded with no out. If it never got to the point, there is just no way of knowing what our BP might have been able to do in that inning to keep the lead.
darknova306
5/22/2011-5:44pm at 5:44 pm (UTC -4)
The team’s not as bad as their bad stretch early in the season and not as good as the recent winning. Basically, they’re a .500-ish team, exactly as you say.
It’s ridiculous for people to expect the recent stellar pitching to be sustainable all season.
TRS86
5/22/2011-6:18pm at 6:18 pm (UTC -4)
Just read this on MLBTR:
The Phillies could face luxury taxes with some midseason additions. Their payroll currently sits at $175MM, and would only need to finish at $178MM for the Phils to incur taxes of 22.5% — no small sum, even for an MLB team.
njstuckintx
5/22/2011-6:26pm at 6:26 pm (UTC -4)
that’s 22.5% on everything over 178MM, right?
TRS86
5/22/2011-6:34pm at 6:34 pm (UTC -4)
Right, but I am curious, if they pick up someone and approach 190M and pay that type of luxury tax does that make them like the Yankees in buying their championship?
kingman 26
5/22/2011-6:44pm at 6:44 pm (UTC -4)
The one they already won?
Not a chance.
Would it be bought any more than the Mets’ 2006 division title and last four years of total failure for one of the game’s highest payrolls was bought?
The obsession some of you have with sour grapes criticism of the Phils is really just bizarre.
TRS86
5/22/2011-7:45pm at 7:45 pm (UTC -4)
Hey I knew it would bring you in. LOL. As you said with the Yankees championship it’s not the fact that it’s high, it’s how much higher it is than everyone else. Perhaps if I said if they win the NL crown will it be considered purchased? They will have a salary difference between 1 and 2 in the NL higher than the Yanks did in the AL the year they “bought” their championship.
Prismo
5/22/2011-7:47pm at 7:47 pm (UTC -4)
No issue. By the rules of MLB, they can spend as much as they can afford to spend.
The only thing you could say is how hypocritical Phillies fans are, because if you remember back to 2006 they were whining that the Mets were spending too much. Now they want to spend over the luxury cap.
kingman 26
5/22/2011-7:49pm at 7:49 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, but at least they won two pennants and a title BEFORE outspending the league!
We won ONE postseason series while outspending the league!
kingman 26
5/22/2011-7:48pm at 7:48 pm (UTC -4)
Sure, in 2011, absolutely; but sorry my friend, this will just not erase what they have achieved the last five years.
Nor will it change the revolting failure OUR team became while trying to buy itself a title.
TRS86
5/22/2011-7:50pm at 7:50 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed about our team failing with the highest payroll but I can’t call that trying to buy a title because it was not anywhere near as proportionately high as the Yanks was that year or the Phillies will be this year. If another team is within 5-10 million it’s hard to call it buying a title. When they outspend by 30 million or more? eh?
As for what they have achieved, they did a great job. You know I have always said that. They had a plan and went for it. However, they do have a lot of eggs in this basket and things will get heated if they do not get back to the WS this year.
stickguy
5/22/2011-9:49pm at 9:49 pm (UTC -4)
screw payrolls. I hate the Phillies. And their miserable fans can stick their snottly attitude up their hind ends, and crawl back under the nasty, negative rock they crawled out from under.
Time for them to have some karmic retribution, since right now they are 3 SPs away from being the Astros.
teams can also change quick in baseball. a few prospects click and you can rise fast. A couple guys get hurt, and you can fall off the cliff.
The phils have already stretched their run longer than was to be expected, and it can’t last forever, and I for one just can’t wait!
metsfan4decades
5/22/2011-9:59pm at 9:59 pm (UTC -4)
LOL. You know I’m waiting right along with you to see this happen.
Seriously, it’s going to be interesting to see how they stay competitive with the ages they’ve got, no prospects in upper A ball ready and a payroll climbing to hands down the highest in the NL this year already.
It’s a different age, that’s for sure. Teams are locking up their talent longer so FA isn’t as lucrative as it once was, even if you do have the money. The name of the game now is developing your own talent for the most part, which limits what you need to pick up in FA.