I’m constantly hearing what the Mets are going to do with Beltran, K-Rod and possibly Jose Reyes-trade them for prospects.
Today’s question: What would you think if the Mets decided not to trade anyone at the Trade Deadline and go for it?
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stickguy
6/12/2011-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
I am fine with it, depending. The depending is where they are in the standings, and what players are back.
2 scenarios seem to be obvious to me.
1) Mets get hot now, and beat up on interleague, and hit the ASB 6 games or so over .500, and within 2 of the WC. Johan is pitching great in Fla and on track to come back by 8/1. Everyone else is healthy (Wright and Davis making it back). There is some buzz going, and fans are starting to come back.
Here, it is worth eating Beltran (in the sense of not getting anything back for him) to send a message.
2) Mets scuffle over the next month, stay about 2 under .500, and are 8 out of the WC. Johan is not likely to be back before some September tune ups. Someone makes a really good offer for K Rod or Beltran (especially Beltran). Of course they have to do the deal.
the 3rd option (call it the White Sox situation) is trickier, and they are some place in between. ON the fringe of contention, but not really (in the 2007 Rockies area say). In that case, I bet Omar would have pretended to go for it, but Sandy will get out the machete and do a reality call.
Also, in general, I think that they can get away with trading Beltran and playing the kids (if they have really earned the shot) and still be going for it. If they move K Rod, Capuano, etc. then it has to hurt them.
and finally, trade bay for anything, and that would be a definite sign they are trying to win now!
kistics
6/12/2011-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
Does anyone know that IF the Mets let Beltran walk (and can’t offer him arb), do they still get the comp pick? Or no picks at all?
If no picks, you have to trade him IMO.
stickguy
6/12/2011-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
One question is if he ends up as a type A or type B. I think he will be type A, but last I heard, I think he was under the threshold.
Anyway, the only way the mets get a pick without offering arb is if a team signs him before the arbitration deadline. And no way that happens if he is a type A (would not matter to acquiring team if he was a B).
I am assuming that the no arb offer clause does not change this.
Bryan
6/12/2011-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
Beltran can not be offered arbitration, so no compensation picks will be given. So they will have to be pretty freaking close in the playoff race not to trade him. Of course, they could easily trade him during the waiver trading period, but that would decrease the money they save and/or the quality of prospect they get b/c it would be an even shorter rental for another team.
rustyjr
6/12/2011-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
I would have no problem with it – but I think they would like some kind of compensation for Beltran sice he won’t garner us any picks in next years draft
stickguy
6/12/2011-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
In this scenario, the compensation is his production leading them on a miracle run to the playoffs. And they make back salary not saved thru extra attendance.
metsfan4decades
6/12/2011-11:31am at 11:31 am (UTC -4)
It the Mets decide to trade no one come mid July, that must mean we’ve had a great month, those teams in front of us have not, and we’re well within the race.
In this case, I would not have a problem with not trading Beltran or KRod, especially if those 2 had been instrumental in all those Met wins. Jose being traded I don’t even want to discuss, no matter where they are in the race. Capuano might be expendable either way at that point. Although with the state of our thin pitching depth would he not be considered for next year? I guess this all depends on Johan as well.
Something tells me though the Mets won’t be that close. Possible, but not probably in which case Sandy will probably pull the trigger. In that case, trading Beltran should be a given, trading KRod should definitely be explored as well as Capuano. Trading Reyes? I don’t want to be reading about that no matter what the circumstances are.
stickguy
6/12/2011-11:39am at 11:39 am (UTC -4)
don’t forget the pipe dream of trading Bay!
metsfan4decades
6/12/2011-1:06pm at 1:06 pm (UTC -4)
Which would be fine with me. But pipe dream it is right now…..
njstuckintx
6/12/2011-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
My fear is that they are close to WC, get delusions of grandeur and don’t trade any one, then the real team shows up and they flub it up.
And unless Beltran is going to get this team into the playoffs, his only value is to get some sort of return, and that is by trade.
stickguy
6/12/2011-12:19pm at 12:19 pm (UTC -4)
I think the delusion (more likely trying to scam the ticket buying public, not themselves) was an Omar/Jeffy deal.
sandy IMO is going to be more of a brutal realist. And more likely to do what the white sox did a few years back(unload when a fringe but bogus contender).
correct though about beltran. he has to go if the team is not a serious playoff team a month from now.
kingman 26
6/12/2011-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
I am loving how Gee, Niese, Murph, Turner, and especially Tejada and Reyes are playing. Maybe the foundation IS there, especially when you throw in Wright, Ike, and a healthy Johan for opening day 2012.
But still, the team has yet to be above .500 since game 5 of the season, and while it’s fun to say they are “only 5.5 games out of the WC,” of the 15 NL teams, we currently have the 10th best record. Which means we have to leapfrog all but three of those teams.
I most definitely do not want to see Reyes, Wright, or even Pelf traded.
I definitely DO want to see Beltran traded.
KRod is a tough one. He still is awfully good, but his velocity has declined, he’s not dominating anymore, and he would be mighty pricey to re-sign.
If we can get anything for Beltran trade him, and IF we can get a very good prospect or two for KRod, trade him too.
Trading no one? I guess I would think that holding on to Beltran would be silly if we can get something for him.
But the team is simply not good enough to beat out all but three teams in the league record-wise.
njstuckintx
6/12/2011-12:38pm at 12:38 pm (UTC -4)
16 NL teams.
kingman 26
6/12/2011-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
Even better!
njstuckintx
6/12/2011-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)