Twitter Tweet: Mets Father’s Day Lineup June 19, 2011

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   metsfan4decades

   6/19/2011-6:58pm at 6:58 pm (UTC -4)

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   Niese did not have his best stuff today, that’s for sure.
   The mark of a good pitcher vs. a mediocre or bad one is what you do on the days you don’t have your best stuff.
   If you notice, he didn’t use his curve ball much at all today.

   Terry commented after the game that after the 4th inning he said to Thole in the dugout something like: ‘hey, he can’t just keep throwing fastball after fastball. Even if he doesn’t have his best curve today, he’s got to mix it in.’
   He correctly went on to explain give a decent ML pitcher a look at only 1 or 2 of your pitches all day and you’re going to get hurt.

   Again, this goes back to inexperience on the mound and inexperience behind the plate. I know there isn’t a whole lot we can do about it though – both are just going to have to learn on the job. We’ve got no one else right now.

   Not that it probably would have made much difference but the play this game was ended on was just robbery. Hairston wasn’t close to being out. I guess the ump wanted to get home for his father’s day barbeque.

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      stickguy

      6/19/2011-7:39pm at 7:39 pm (UTC -4)

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      you never really know if the catcher does or doesn’t call for a pitch, because it is up to the pitcher to decide what to throw. And if he makes it clear early on he won’t use a certain pitch, then why bother to keep calling for it?

      But bigger pitcher, what the hell is the manager (and even more so the pitching coach) doing about it? If they know this is going on, tell him to throw it (or thole to call for it). it ain’t rocket science here, and those guys are paid to do stuff like that.

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         metsfan4decades

         6/20/2011-7:32am at 7:32 am (UTC -4)

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         I think Terry’s point was in his opinion, Niese’s mistake yesterday was abandoning the curve just about all together b/c he didn’t have a feel for it at all. And by doing so, didn’t mix up enough of his pitches then to keep batters off balance. He said if you just keep throwing fastballs out there as Niese was doing the majority of the time, you’re gonna get hurt.

         I don’t know why nothing was said until after the 4th inning. He did say Warthen and Niese will work on this before his next start.

         Terry was mentioning Sandy Koufax was there yesterday and he said something years ago young pitchers should take to heart. Koufax said out of 30 starts, probably only 5 you’ll have your best stuff, 5 you’ll have nothing and the other 20 will be somewhere in between. Said it’s what you do in those 20 starts to mix it up, keep hitters off balance and pitch to the situation that will determine if you’ll be successful in the big leagues.

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            gategem

            6/20/2011-8:20am at 8:20 am (UTC -4)

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            I saw Koufax pitch and it’s easy to make that comment when you normally throw your fastball at 98 to 100 mph and your curveball drops from about shoulder height to the catchers feet as it acts like its falling off a table when it reaches the plate. Most pitchers would have killed just to possess the talent level Koufax had when he didn’t have his best stuff.

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         gategem

         6/20/2011-8:26am at 8:26 am (UTC -4)

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         I recall when Billy Martin was manager of the A’s he had a young staff and was not adverse to calling the pitches from the dugout. This basically shows that in this regard TC is not a proactive manager.

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   gategem

   6/20/2011-12:04am at 12:04 am (UTC -4)

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   LOL Well at least Washington lost so the Mets are still tied for the all important 3rd place position. LOL

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   gategem

   6/20/2011-12:10am at 12:10 am (UTC -4)

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   From ESPN:

   NEW YORK — New York Mets third baseman David Wright wishes he could do more than just make 20 throws and take groundballs on his knees, but right now, that’s all he can do.

   Wright, who is recovering from a stress fracture in his lower back, reiterated that he will see a doctor later this week — a Mets spokesman said Friday — in an attempt to gain clearance to start a rehab program down in Florida.

   “It’s the same program we’ve been going through all along,” said Wright, who completed his short session of minor baseball activity before Sunday afternoon’s 7-3 loss to the Angels at Citi Field. “So far we’re par for the course. It’s what we were supposed to do (Sunday).”

   Wright said his back “felt good” after Sunday’s limited workout.

   He will ride the bike on Monday, and hopes to do a similar Sunday routine on Tuesday.

   “It’s kind of part of the plan we’ve been doing all along,” said Wright, who has been on the disabled list since May 16. “It’s kind of the plan that we’re sticking with. It’s day by day.

   “It’s weird and disappointing that I can’t go out there and play. It’s something where I can’t physically go do something to quicken the process. I just have to wait it out and make sure the bone heals correctly before I start amping it up.”

   Wright said he isn’t anxious about going to his doctor’s appointment.

   “I’ve done everything they’ve asked me to do,” Wright said. “I haven’t had a hint that it’s going to go anything less than favorable. And we’ll go from there. But I’ve been around that six-week period where bones usually heal itself, so hopefully I’ll be ready to go after I get that clearance.”

   “You don’t just get clearance and then hop in the game in Texas the next day, but I’ll probably go to Florida and start stuff down there,” Wright added. “But that would still be a step forward.”

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      stickguy

      6/20/2011-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)

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      hopefully the extra time let it heal fully, and he gets the OK to go start getting back into shape. Probably would not be more than 2 weeks from the time they tell him OK to he is back with the Mets (and knowing him, he would want to make that 2 days!)

      so, maybe by 2nd week of July?

      Ike, who the heck knows if he is still wandering around with his boot on.