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by Mr North Jersey
7/14/2011-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
It’s obvious to me this trade was all about a salary and not-letting-that-option-vest dump. Think the 2 prospects are really inconsequential as I don’t think they’ll be ones with a higher ceiling. It had to be done though.
Sounds to me like everyone – to a man – and including KRod, knew he was going to be traded.
Outside of the end of ’08 when Wagner went down, it’s been a long time since the Mets have not had an established closer in that BP. This is going to be interesting. Gives Sandy plenty of time though to know if he has to go out and look for someone off season or not.
7/14/2011-1:00pm at 1:00 pm (UTC -4)
Today’s Buster Olney Blog:
Before Sandy Alderson closed out his deal with the Milwaukee Brewers,
he made one last round of calls to other teams, diligently checking to
see which team would give him the best financial deal in the salary dump
of Francisco Rodriguez.
He would’ve loved 50 cents on the dollar, but in the end, he wound up
getting about 40 cents on the dollar from the Brewers, in order to run
out from underneath the onerous $17.5 million contract option that
But the Mets are giving off a very different vibe in their early discussions about Carlos Beltran,
according to sources. The Mets believe they have the best available
outfielder in a mediocre market for offensive players, and are aiming to
land a top prospect — and they have indicated that they will keep the
slugger until they get exactly what they want.
remains to be seen if the Mets’ strategy can pay off, or if their early
pre-tradeline stance on Beltran will change. And as they begin to get
deeper into discussions with the six or seven teams that have expressed
serious interest, a major hurdle will be how much of the money still
owed to Beltran — about $8 million, at this point — will be paid off
by the Mets. But the Mets fully intend to get a prime prospect for Beltran, and believe that some team in need of an upgrade will eventually submit to their demands, because of Beltran’s potential to impact a lineup.To review, Beltran’s first-half numbers: A .285 batting average, .377 on-base percentage, .503 slugging average.He has played in 89 games this year, eliminating doubts about whether he can hold up in 2011, and rival executives know that he is eligible for free agency in the fall and has every reason to thrive and remain in the everyday lineup. Beltran’s hitting .337 with runners in scoring position, and has an 1.020 OPS in those situation, which ranks 13th-best in the majors.The Giants would love to have him. He could help the Red Sox, although some executives wonder how Boston would fit him into its payroll without paying the luxury tax their owners work to avoid. The Yankees are not interested, but perhaps the Tigers are, and they have always been known to be more aggressive than most teams and not shy about taking on a big
contract. Beltran could provide for the Rays the kind of offense they
had hoped to get out of Manny Ramirez.The Indians aren’t limiting themselves to small-budget options, and if the Braves got serious about Beltran, they’d be in position to offer a wider range of pitching prospects than any other team (and the fact that Sandy Alderson was willing to deal K-Rod to the Yankees tells you he’s not concerned about dealing his assets to perceived rivals, if he thinks the trade works well for his side.) He’d fit the Pirates; heck, the way he’s playing, he’d fit almost any team. And this is why the Mets have let it be known to other teams: Beltran will cost you, and if you don’t want to say yes to our demands, we believe some other team will, and we will wait for that moment.
7/14/2011-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
Link that Olney posted about possible trade partners with Giants:
7/14/2011-1:13pm at 1:13 pm (UTC -4)
never-mind the link wont work on it’s own.
7/14/2011-1:14pm at 1:14 pm (UTC -4)
There’s no way they should give up Brandon Belt or Zack Wheeler in such a deal (or possibly in any deal), and there’s no way they’d have to for Beltran if they’re gobbling up most of his money owed. Belt is going to be a middle-order hitter on the Giants, maybe next season. Wheeler will be in the rotation, if things go well, by no later than 2013. So”… OF Gary Brown might be a borderline call — the Giants are going to need a CF down the road, and Brown might be the guy. The Thomas Neal/Charlie Culberson level seems exactly right — surely the Giants would be OK moving one of those guys for Beltran, we’d have to see if the Mets are fine, just as long as the financials work out. It might take Brown, though, if there are many other serious bidders for Beltran right now. Might not.
7/14/2011-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, Wheeler was a stretch for Reyes and an impossible for Beltran. If Beltran can get us a #7-10 I will be a happy man.
7/14/2011-1:37pm at 1:37 pm (UTC -4)
I hope they take advantage of locking in the 2012 savings on K Rod by holding out for talent instead of salary relief on Beltran. If nothing else, it will send a partly positive message tot he fans. trading him for just $$ saved will be ugly.
so hell, eat all/most of the salary (it’s in the budget already), and someone will bite on a better than expected prospect back. Just throw in a DVD of him in the playoffs with Houston!
7/14/2011-1:58pm at 1:58 pm (UTC -4)
I think the only way you obtain a decent prospect is by paying most of whats left. I am confident that Sandy will do the right thing
7/14/2011-2:17pm at 2:17 pm (UTC -4)
Everything I have read points to the Mets eating as much as needed.
7/14/2011-3:05pm at 3:05 pm (UTC -4)
you can basically look at it as spending money in the amateur market. How many millions is a higher grade prospect worth?
Of course, could also save salary, and spend that on an IFA.
lots of options, but tough choices when you are working on a budget.
7/14/2011-2:24pm at 2:24 pm (UTC -4)
Agree. With Beltran, I too would like to see a decent prospect come back.
I feel the team can net something real decent from Beltran. He really is the most dynamic batter of all the known available guys. Getting a #1 kind of prospect is silly talk but there is no reason why they couldn’t net someone that can be a very capable MLB player.
7/14/2011-1:45pm at 1:45 pm (UTC -4)
Well this explains why this trade might have went down sooner rather than later:
Francisco Rodriguez “never submitted the list of 10 teams”
Good lord. The ineptitude of Omar’s regime knows no bounds.
“The contract… includes a limited no-trade clause, meaning he could
list 10 teams to which he could veto a deal. But according to two
baseball officials with direct knowledge of the situation, Rodriguez’s
previous agent, Paul Kinzer, never submitted the list of 10 teams. The
Mets thought that once Boras assumed representation, he would scrutinize
Rodriguez’s contract and either try to submit a list or perhaps file a
grievance that might allow him to do so.”
So they were in theory working against a full no-trade clause, more
or less. And they had to get him traded before Boras figured this out.
Posted on AA.
7/14/2011-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
If that is true, then super kudos to Alderson and Co. Boras could of completely re-shaped that 10 team list and made it impossible for them to trade him. Technically they could of put teams like the Marlins beacue there is no way they would of made that trade.
7/14/2011-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
exactly. Boras would have given 10 teams with established closers that would be in the market for a reliever at the deadline…
7/14/2011-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
why pick on Omar? Not his ineptitude, it was the agents. And if anything, Omar was smart to never mention it (well, assuming they even realized!)
could have been messy, but really, it was not a full no-trade clause, but probably close to one once boras finished figuring out the likely suitors (but hell, probably still would have missed Mill.)
quite possible the contract clause was dated. Almost have to be, just for this reason. So say the date was by opening day, too bad, and no chance of winning a grievance.
no issue now though.
7/14/2011-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
I thought the same thing when I read this. I wouldn’t credit Omar with this genius of ignoring it though b/c that could have come back to bite them. I’m thinking it was a non follow through on the Mets part but absolute ineptitude on the agent’s part.
If Boras had figured this out, this could have caused trading him to completely stall until it was finalized. And then the 31 July deadline would have came and went and we’d be on the hook for that 17.5 MIL which most likely would have vested.
7/14/2011-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
this could be why Boras is now his agent. K-Rod found out that he was going to be a FA due to his agent’s mistake and replaced him with the guy most likely to get him the big bucks…
7/14/2011-3:03pm at 3:03 pm (UTC -4)
like I said, these clauses usually have a set date, so if they don’t submit by then, it is too damned bad. no way you could leave it open ended.
7/14/2011-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
Gary Brown is the guy the Mets need to get.
7/14/2011-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
I’m reading that Iggy has been promoted to take KRod’s place?
I know he’s been good down there of late. I just hope it translates this time. For some reason, he just hasn’t been able to put it together up here. He looks like he’s got no confidence out there on that mound.
7/14/2011-3:32pm at 3:32 pm (UTC -4)
Something that no one seems to mention. Krod does not want the option to vest either. That is why he has said he would be willing to work out an extension with a team or even be a setup man. Krod could stand to LOSE money if the option vest. 17.5M is a lot of money no doubt. However, keep in mind that 3.5 of it is his no matter what. So in contract money he is only getting a 1 year 14M contract. Yeah that’s a lot of money for a closer, however it also cost him one more year in his next contract. A year that he could get injured, become ineffective, or just because of nature alone get older. Thus at 29, yeah it’s damn hard to believe that he is only 29, he could stand to net yet another 3 year contract worth say 24-30 million. That’s a lot more than the 14 guaranteed for next year. Krod is no dummy and I am sure that was his intentions all along with bringing in Boras.
7/14/2011-4:15pm at 4:15 pm (UTC -4)
With this new format, I can no longer click on and individual Recent Comment and go to it in that post. So I wind up having to scroll the whole thing trying to search for the new comment.
Anyone else having that problem?
7/14/2011-4:23pm at 4:23 pm (UTC -4)
4D it willtake you to the comment but only if you click where it shows how long ago it was posted. For instance for me to get to your comment I clicked where it says “4 minutes ago”.
7/14/2011-4:36pm at 4:36 pm (UTC -4)
I thought I saw someone mention that a few days ago so I tried it.
For me, that only works if the post itself is not opened. Once I open it – or click on the time of the most Recent Comment to the right – that option no longer works.
So if there are 5 recent comments for a particular post and I want to read each one, I have to refresh to click on the banner to refresh and close the post – then I can click on the time for a recent post to read the next one.
I didn’t think that’s the way the old format used to work.
And many times, Recent Comments might not necessarily be a new one at the end of a post but rather a comment to a previous poster. So I either have to scroll the entire post looking for new comments or I have to close the post and click on the next Recent Comment.
Cumbersome, but I can work around it, I suppose.
Just thought I would let you all know in case it could be improved a bit.
7/14/2011-4:51pm at 4:51 pm (UTC -4)
Your correct I just tried and just as you said if your inside a post and click on the link that displays how long ago a comment was made it does not reload the page taking you to that comment.
It only works from the main site page it seems.
We will try to see if we can resolve that.
7/14/2011-5:20pm at 5:20 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks! As a daily reader here, that would certainly make it easier.
7/14/2011-5:30pm at 5:30 pm (UTC -4)
Came across this on the SNY Why Guys site (that I didn’t know existed before clicking some link that took me there.
Mike Salfino had this to say about Parnell in mid June this year:
From back in March:
Bobby Parnell is one of just three relievers since STATS began tracking
velocity in 2003 to average over 96 mph on his fastball while forcing
grounders from opposing hitters at least 67% of the time (minimum 30
innings pitched). The 26-year-old righty’s ground-ball rate of 79% was
second best among relievers and well above the average rate of 55.6%.
Parnell’s fastball velocity (96.4 mph on average) ranked fourth.
This year, Parnell’s ground-ball rate is “only” 61% with an average
fastball velocity of 96.7 mph, according to Fangraphs. That’s a career
The one black mark against Parnell is inherited runners scored. But he
won’t see those as a closer, nine times out of 10. Plus, it’s such a
small sample — eight baserunners (six scored). Last year, he allowed 2
out of 11 to score.
So all he should need to take over in the 9th is some gimmick and he’s good to go. That and don’t bring him in during the 8th with men on base.
And I would prefer not to see Bobby P. sporting a jet black beard. Maybe we should take a poll – LOL. Some cool music as he jogs in from the BP? Of course watching on SNY, half the time we don’t get to hear that. We can skip any fist pumping or hopping over the foul line too.
7/14/2011-5:39pm at 5:39 pm (UTC -4)
Mistrial in Roger Clemens perjury case:
All that money the government spent on preparing to try this case……
7/14/2011-6:04pm at 6:04 pm (UTC -4)
I read that RHP Mike McClendon may be one of the players the
Mets will receive.
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