Jul 17
There has been a lot of trade talk regarding Carlos Beltran.
Let’s say, just for arguments sake, that Beltran is not traded and is willing to give the Mets a hometown discount and sign for a couple of more years.
If the price was right, would you like to see Beltran play for the Mets for, let’s say, 2 more years?
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15 comments
Bryan
7/17/2011-1:36pm at 1:36 pm (UTC -4)
You absolutely do it. He’s adjusted well to right field, and been a team player throughout that entire thing. He can still hit, and has been integral to the lineup this year, you can only imagine if he was sandwiched between David and Ike all year. He wants to play in New York, and you have the outfield depth in the minors in case of injury, so if the price is right and it doesn’t stop you from any other necessary signings (Jose) you absolutely bring him back.
TRS86
7/17/2011-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
What is the price? 2/16 with an option? Sure. 3/45? Lol.
MetsFan4Decades
7/17/2011-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
That’s a tough question.
Call me gun shy about signing aging OFs that would have a tendency to break down sooner rather than later.
I’d love to see him back for one more year. Give us time to decide what we might have in a replacement. Two years though? Only if the price was right. Only if losing him for a huge chunk of time due to injury and/or worst case scenario having to release him b/c of non production, wasn’t going to hinder them from finding a suitable replacement.
I believe the point is moot though. Unless the Mets go on an extended win streak here through the end of July, I believe the trade is eminent.
MetsFan4Decades
7/17/2011-2:40pm at 2:40 pm (UTC -4)
On that note:
Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News
says that it’s bad news for the Giants if the Mets are open to paying
Beltran’s price tag, since San Francisco would rather absorb salary and
give up lesser prospects.
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Might as well discount the Giants as potential trade partners. I think the main point of any Beltran trade is what we can get back, not shedding salary.
Bryan
7/17/2011-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
Hopefully with enough interest in him, someone will be willing to give up a grade A prospect for him. If Sandy acts smart about it he could try turning it into a bidding war.
Mr North Jersey
7/17/2011-3:06pm at 3:06 pm (UTC -4)
I’d be very concerned of giving anything more than a year to Tran unless it was an option based on him reaching a certain number of games played in 2012. Still if the Mets do not plan on giving a kid a shot to play RF in 2012 and if Tran really wishes to finish his career here. I can see where something can be worked out that brings Tran back for 2012 with an option for 2013.
I still would rather the position go to a Baby Met 1st though.
Anonymous
7/17/2011-3:26pm at 3:26 pm (UTC -4)
Love tron, love his bounce back this year but there’s too much mileage on those legs. I’d rather have a top prospect and a couple of lower level pieces in a trade. I read someplace yesterday that as part of Beltran’s contract if he’s traded the same restriction on offering arbitration in place for the Mets does not apply. So anybody trading him could offer him arbitration which increases the controlling period and the quality of the prospect that could comeback. If he’s traded and arbitration isn’t offered can alway’s go after him if they like in the off season. In that case 1 + 1 and I’d think he’d be in the 8-12M per range for that type deal.
MetsFan4Decades
7/17/2011-3:34pm at 3:34 pm (UTC -4)
Interesting….I read the exact opposite. Meaning that ‘no arbitration’
clause follows him to whatever team he gets traded to so no picks for
them either.
According to a post on MLBTR in June:
Contractually, Beltran’s team cannot offer arbitration after the season, so draft pick compensation is not a factor.
Anonymous
7/17/2011-3:49pm at 3:49 pm (UTC -4)
From MLBTR NL East Notes on July 15:
“A source told Jeff Passan of Yahoo (via Twitter) that the no-arbitration clause in Carlos Beltran’s contract does transfer to his new team if he is traded.”
I tend to agree with your take and I recall seeing same back in June on MLBTR. This latest note seems to rely to heavily on the always dubious unnamed Twitter source.
Anonymous
7/17/2011-3:50pm at 3:50 pm (UTC -4)
oops read it wrong, can I delete my thread. That’s what I get for reading before the coffee kicks in. I’m off to self imposed isolation….
TRS86
7/17/2011-3:44pm at 3:44 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah I have always seen no arbitration regardless. However, it is moot either way. Who would offer him arbitration? You gonna risk a one year 20million deal? Also will he even be type a?
Anonymous
7/17/2011-5:20pm at 5:20 pm (UTC -4)
Not knowing the cost and understanding that whatever the cost may be does not interfere with the current plans to re-sign Reyes and build the minors and prepare for a long period of domination, yes, I’d say do it. There really isn’t any OF prospect ready to take over full time, so with Tron leaving, there will be a hole the lineup and the OF. Even 80% Tron is solid, and I wouldn’t mind having him in the lineup for sure.
Now, all the above said, IF they can get a decent to good prospect back that is a year or less away from the majors, I want them to trade Beltran. It will come down to what a team (BOS, SFG, whomever) values what Beltran can bring on the 1/2 year rental with nothing coming back in return. I don’t see the Mets getting back a Pineda or (insert top talent prospect here), but maybe a decent catching prospect or something, I will gladly tip my hat to Carlos and wave as his privately chartered jet zooms away.
Anonymous
7/17/2011-8:52pm at 8:52 pm (UTC -4)
The initial question is do you believe the Mets can be a contender in 2012? If the answer is no then by all means bid Beltran a fine adieu and see what you can get for Beltran. However, if the answer is yes then Beltran increases your chances of attaining that goal. With Beltran gone a huge hole is present in the outfield and in the batting order. While some think Duda can be that replacement we are talking about a potential one dimension, one tool, player (assuming he can hit major league pitching). Duda is slow, not particularly quick and doesn’t have the softest hands on defense. Gary Cohen best described Duda as “lumbering” on the base paths. Yes he appeared to make some good plays in the OF last year but a gifted defensive outfielder makes those same difficult plays with ease. In that respect he reminds me of Elio Chacon an infielder of the fabled 1962 Mets that had a penchant for making even the most simple plays appear to warrant showing on a highlight reel.
dave
7/18/2011-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
Calos Beltran, when healthy, is an incredible player year in year out. I would like him to stay.
Anonymous
7/18/2011-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
one of the rare circumstances where you really can do both choices (trade him now, have him for next year), since he is going to be a FA no matter what.
1 year? seems fine, since the OF prospects seem to have had set backs this year (Like Kirk). Not probably a good idea though to go multiple years.
probably a moot pint, since some team is going to offer him a 2-3 year deal (likely in the AL).