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by Gonzo Will
There has been a lot of chatter surrounding Jon Niese. Sandy Alderson seems to be shopping him around.
Would you trade Jon Niese and if you would, what kind of player(s) would you like to see in return?
12/18/2011-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
IDK why you would. He is the teams best starter and he comes in at league minimum. He is also young enough that he can be a part of the long term future of the new look Mets.
12/18/2011-2:35pm at 2:35 pm (UTC -4)
I like Niese and think he’ll be a solid contributor to the rotation. However, I’m not sure he’ll ever be more than a solid #3 type. I’d like to see him take that move forward this year to prove me wrong. They say lefties usually take a little longer to develop so you never know.
With that said, I don’t think he’s going anywhere by opening day. If he does, you have to think Sandy isn’t given him away for a bag of balls. Unless we get back some strong prospects – maybe a catching and pitching/or OF type prospect – he’ll be on the staff opening day.
Mid season? It’s anyone’s guess.
12/18/2011-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
I like Neise a lot, and think he has the stuff and otential to finally put it together and become a very good pitcher.
But, it is not guarantee, and yes I would trade him under the right conditions.
The team has a lot of holes, catcher being a huge one, so if they can get a top shelf almost ready catching prospect as the centerpiece of a deal, and some depth with it, then yes, I would trade him.
Have to look at the overall team, not just one guy, so while you might take a step back in one area, if you take a step forward in 2 others, you are better in the long run.
There is often a knee-jerk reaction to not wanting to trade anyone that is any good, but you do have to trade something valuable if you expect something valuable back.
Oh and they are working on being super cheap in 2014 or so, meaning guys that are into arb years already are less attractive?
12/18/2011-4:11pm at 4:11 pm (UTC -4)
Of course I would trade him if the package coming back was overwhelming.
12/18/2011-4:42pm at 4:42 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll be in the minority here and go with I don’t see where Niese is of value enough to bring back a major prospect. The biggest thing he has going for him is he’s a lefty. But his ERA’s alway’s been well over 4.00 and he’s never come close to 200 innings per season. He falls into the class of overvaluing our own players, at least at this stage of his career based on the numbers. That being said the prospect position I’d want back if traded would be first Catcher, than CF. One of those plus a starting pitcher with some MLB mileage and is not overwhelming is what I’d think would come back.
Given my minority view I think his best value is as the #3 starter for the Mets. If he can stay healthy and log 200 innings and get that ERA under 4 for a season then his value as a Lefty might bring back the type haul many of us fans are hoping for.
12/18/2011-5:01pm at 5:01 pm (UTC -4)
that’s why you troll him as bait through the water. Doesn’t matter what we think of him, just what some GM does. You see this all the time here, with posters talking about trading while value is low, but GMs (at least the good ones!) need to make moves based on what they think guys will do, not what they have done.
So, unless you ask, you won’t know what he can return. And if the offers are mediocre, you keep him. But if someone sees a future star and is desperate enough to pony up the goods, take the shot and trade him.
12/18/2011-5:25pm at 5:25 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed. Sandy’s doing good work with this aspect regarding Niese and Murph as examples of seeing where the bar may be set in regards to a return.
12/18/2011-4:45pm at 4:45 pm (UTC -4)
Niese is young, cheap & has potential… but he’s yet to pitch effectively for a full major league season and may never be better than a back of the rotation starter on a good team.
If another team is willing to offer a young, cheap player who could step in and be a starter for the Mets, I would have to consider making the trade.
I’m not sure I’d trade him for prospects unless the offer was overwhelming.
12/18/2011-7:43pm at 7:43 pm (UTC -4)
This team sucks rocks, is spending nothing, and absolutely anyone should be available for the right price at this point.
Stockpile the Wheelers/Harveys/Mejias/Familas and try to have some ready for 2013–2014.
Niese has been consistently mediocre his entire pro career. If all of these teams really want him, hold out for another Wheeler; if none is offered, keep Niese and try again at the trade deadline.
Any team seriously considering superstar “defensive whiz” Mike Nickeas for an opening day roster spot should be open for business 24/7 to plan for when it again will be making a real attempt to compete, which it most certainly is not doing at the MLB level in 2012.
12/18/2011-7:55pm at 7:55 pm (UTC -4)
Basically any returning player from last year is not untouchable. Niese I would consider in a trade but him being a lefty, young and under team control it would need to be a trade that is as close to a no-brainer as possible which most likely won’t happen.
12/18/2011-11:18pm at 11:18 pm (UTC -4)
well, of course Duda is, but we all know that goes without saying so I understand why you did not say it.
12/18/2011-8:20pm at 8:20 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve been a huge Niese fan since he debuted, but he looks like, at best, he’ll be a mid-rotation guy. That’s not untouchable talent. If a GM is willing to part with some serious pieces for him, you pull that trigger. The team badly needs a catcher, a good CF, and all sorts of other pieces…
12/18/2011-11:19pm at 11:19 pm (UTC -4)
I like neise, think he can potentially put together a nice little run as a good SP (maybe a #2 type? but certainly better than rotation filler), but if they can finally get a legit young catcher to build around, I am all for it.
12/19/2011-12:29am at 12:29 am (UTC -4)
Don’t think that he’s going anywhere, yet with the recent development regarding Matt Latos and the trade between the reds and padres perhaps the value for a young left hander has risen ( though niese is not latos he does seem to project well nevertheless)
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