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2/3/2012-8:04am at 8:04 am (UTC -4)
Ike, Murph, Wright, Niese, Duda all ready to go. Johan remains to be seen.
Still not getting why nothing was remotely done to improve the starting pitching.
Yes, I know they’re broke. But they scraped up money to improve the BP.
I know multi year contracts were not in the cards due to money issues and the fact they appear to be putting all their eggs in one basket of minor league arms.
However, looks like one year contracts can be had, we’ve got no depth and I’m not understanding why no moves have been made in that area.
Looking at the rotations of the rest of the NL east, it’s not even remotely a competition at this point.
2/3/2012-8:46am at 8:46 am (UTC -4)
The problem lies in the fact of how can you sign a decent SP for little money and while also telling them that they may not have a spot in the rotation.
Gee and Niese are not going down to AAA, Pelfrey can’t pitch in the pen and it is not fair to Gee or Niese to do so either. Thus I really think they are just waiting to see what happens when Johan starts to throw and then there will still be scrap heap guys to pick up. Keep in mind some of the ones that have already signed minor league deals have opt outs in their contracts and will be available about the time the Mets would need a 5th starter if Johan is not ready.
In other words yeah the depth is awful but they are basically limited to minor league guys like Young and there are still a few of those out there.
2/3/2012-9:14am at 9:14 am (UTC -4)
Realistically, I hear you.
But really…what are the odds Johan starts the season? I’d give it 20%.
And I agree with you in that their plan is to wait until ST to see if Johan I ready. However, it’s a sure bet that 1 or more of those starting 5 aren’t putting in a full season. And even though I’d have no problem with a Young signing, I’m betting he’s not as healthy as reported either. Jeeze, couldn’t they have found like a RA Dickey type to stash in the minors? Someone healthy, someone with a little upside?
I’m thinking though this still comes down to money. They just aren’t going to spend even another 8 million or so, even if it means strengthening the SP.
I’ve got my fingers crossed – as I’m assuming just about all Mets fans do – that a couple of those arms down there will be ready sooner rather than later. I’m reading conflicting info on that. Some are predicting Harvey and maybe Famillia will be ready mid season. Some are saying only Harvey and not likely till September.
2/3/2012-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
It’s hard to find a decent 1m pitcher with upside and the team has done it for a couple years with Dickey and Capuano. With those contract you usually have incentives, and Capuano earned his having his base of 1.5m jump to almost 4m by the end. Now there’s just not enough money to take a gamble, so instead there is someone like Batista that will pitch a few games next season.
2/3/2012-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
Also April’s schedule is usually light enough where teams don’t even need a 5th starter until May. The Mets will have some options, just nothing really cool.
2/3/2012-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
Thing is did you think RA had an upside when they signed him? LOL.
Maybe that guy is Chuck James?
2/3/2012-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
There is a post around here when Dickey signed that probably has a thousand anti Dickey jokes and how this was the worst acquisition ever.
2/3/2012-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
No, I really didn’t know much about Dickey when Omar signed him. I just liked him b/c he was a true knuckle ball pitcher – LOL.
I realize they’re few and far between. However, we haven’t even made a move in the SP arena yet, unless you’re counting Batista.
I’m sure we’ll pick up an arm or 2 in ST, off the scrap heap. I just hope they’re more ‘scrappy’ than scrap….
2/3/2012-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
Because they’re broke. And you can’t get decent pitchers (i.e. better than Gee) on one year deals either without guaranteeing them a spot. And they couldn’t do that, and they’re certainly not going to say “We think Johan will get injured again” and it’s impossible to put a percentage it is on if he makes it to Spring Training without a setback or not.
Depth is lacking but there’s still rumors about Young sticking around in the minors too. As far as durability goes, Dickey, Gee and Pelfrey should remain on the field. They’re obviously screwed if guys start getting hurt, particularly if it’s Johan or Dickey, but they’ve also got some of the prospects rising towards the top to be ready for possible spots in 2013, so don’t really want to stick journeymen in the way that you may have to cut/waste money on.
2/3/2012-7:37pm at 7:37 pm (UTC -4)
And as you and many here have noted Roy Oswalt just sits there for the having probably at $8M. Incredible a perfectly viable low cost 1 year option is sitting there to be had and zippo contact. Redefining poor financial status on a daily basis. Hey maybe they can swap him an ownership share for a year + option of service.
2/3/2012-8:23pm at 8:23 pm (UTC -4)
Roy Harvey Oswalt!
I have wanted him in orange and blue for years.
Yeah, 8 mil is a big gamble, but if he is healthy–and he is a warrior–he would pay for himself and get the team at least a handful more wins and a bunch of credibility.
Roy Harvey is sitting on the grassy knoll, right there for the taking.
2/3/2012-9:48pm at 9:48 pm (UTC -4)
Unfortunately Roy O would not consider NYC as a place to pitch. Too far away from home. I still think he signs in St Loo.
2/3/2012-10:31pm at 10:31 pm (UTC -4)
Which is weird considering NYC isn’t that much further from home than Philly for him. I guess money and odds of winning a championship actually matter…
2/3/2012-10:51pm at 10:51 pm (UTC -4)
All the more reason to say NY (Mets style) isn’t in his future.
Also, when you are playing on the Astros… you take the first bus out of town, no matter the destination!
2/3/2012-10:41pm at 10:41 pm (UTC -4)
He had made some noise a number of weeks ago that he’d be receptive to pitching in NY. Wasn’t just talking Yankees. If nobodies biting I think he’d pitch anywhere. The St. Louis thing isn’t panning out from what I was reading but then again all things can change quickly.
Of course it’s pretty much irrelevant since they won’t fork out the money but he would be perfect. Just think for a minute if things were able to break where the last few months we could have Johan, Oswalt, Young either in a rotation or as chips. Things would sure look rosier and at a minimum certainly more fun to watch for awhile.
2/3/2012-10:53pm at 10:53 pm (UTC -4)
You could also have Santana with a busted shoulder, Young with a busted shoulder and Roy with a busted back. Man I hate the Mets medical staff. I’ve been tainted with injury bug mentality.
2/4/2012-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
lol, yes indeed. But I figure that’s our starting point now anyway so I figure zero sum gain if we were able to add Roy and things by some remote chance went our way on the injury front.
2/3/2012-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
OT but here’s a very interesting look at maybe why the Mets have failed these past 20 years:
3 lowest scores in negative WAR
‘While the Mets had the third-fewest players overall with negative WAR, they ranked first by far in terms of the percent of players with WAR between 0 and 1 (48.2%). So while they have largely avoided negative WAR players, it’s clear they weren’t always fielding a team of high performers.’
Whoever first did the analysis on a poor supporting cast surrounding the core, seems like you knew what you were talking about…..
2/3/2012-11:25am at 11:25 am (UTC -4)
Sign Kenny Powers !!!!!!!
2/3/2012-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
I’m actually happy Arians is gone. Is that wrong?
2/3/2012-9:52pm at 9:52 pm (UTC -4)
Reyes got his hair cut on TV. Now THAT is salt in my wounds. He probably gained 2-3 MPH on his SB attempts…
2/3/2012-10:30pm at 10:30 pm (UTC -4)
Over the past 3 seasons we’ve become accustomed to watching the Mets play without Reyes, so I feel no wound. Hopefully he lost 2-3 days off the countdown to his next injury (which makes me a bad person to say, but I’m past caring about that).
2/3/2012-10:46pm at 10:46 pm (UTC -4)
No not a bad person, just a realist. Jose was my fav player but I grew tired of waiting for the other hammy to drop at any point during the season. So Samson’s cut his locks I could care less either. No watch he stops dancing too and all of a sudden we’ll have to hear how Miami matured Jose. If that happens the audible wretching sound you will hear will be me.
2/3/2012-10:47pm at 10:47 pm (UTC -4)
2/3/2012-10:57pm at 10:57 pm (UTC -4)
I tried this last week.
After you got past feeling you flossed with a full juniper bush, you could get the subtle hints of the gin flavors. Not going to run out to get another one anytime soon, but figured I’d share.
Enjoying Some Breckenridge Vanilla Porter this evening as well. Just thought I’d share.
2/4/2012-6:25am at 6:25 am (UTC -4)
Cool. I’ve always been curious about that juniper beer, just haven’t actually gone out and tried it.
That Breckenridge is really nice. Haven’t had it in ages, but it’s one of the few vanilla beers I can drink. Most of them go super overboard cause vanilla is a very strong flavor and hard to get the dosing exactly right.
2/4/2012-8:57am at 8:57 am (UTC -4)
Agreed on the Vanilla. It’s about perfect for the amount of flavor.
And I’m glad I tried the juniper beer, but I would like to try a straight juniper next time. It was definitely floral which like (hops > malt, in my mind), but it was a whole different type of floral than i was used to.
2/4/2012-1:30pm at 1:30 pm (UTC -4)
Never commented on that $27 Brooklyn Black ops that I got for New Years. If you can find it, it is absolutely worth the money. It is truly a special beer and it needs to be shared. It’s a stout aged in bourbon barrels. The bourbon flavor is so prevalent. I don’t drink hard alcohol, but the flavor just worked so well. It wasn’t heavy at all, their choc stout does tend to look like motor oil. Just real exceptional.
2/4/2012-1:34pm at 1:34 pm (UTC -4)
Haven’t been drinking anything different lately since I went crazy over the holidays. Any other suggestions, hitting the store tomorrow for the game.
Also Nova, grabbed a couple more Stone Epics from this year and they were even better. I think you got a bad bottle. One of my buddies who is not normally a hoppy beer guy made me buy a couple more bottles the night after we had one.
2/4/2012-6:42pm at 6:42 pm (UTC -4)
New Belgium has a spring ale called Dig. I’m still not sold on it, as the lemony citrus is pretty up front, but it’s a New Belgium brew, so that in itself makes it wonderful.
2/4/2012-7:56pm at 7:56 pm (UTC -4)
You are such a NB fanboy!
2/4/2012-8:00pm at 8:00 pm (UTC -4)
2/5/2012-9:32am at 9:32 am (UTC -4)
Well, New Belgium is pretty awesome, even if I can’t get any of it out here in NY.
Salty, I’ll give the Epic another chance once I get out somewhere I can find it. Cooperstown is pretty light on beer selection, unfortunately.
2/4/2012-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
went out to dinner last night with the wife, and dealt with the wait to eat at a local brew house/restaurant (iron hill brewery). Other than the debacle with the wait time, food was good and beer was excellent.
Something about fresh brewed out of the tank into the tap (as they like to say, the beer only traveled 65′ to reach your table). A couple of pints of Vienna red were quite tasty.
2/4/2012-1:25pm at 1:25 pm (UTC -4)
It is awesome. Also what is nice about those places is being able to try different styles easily. I have a great brew pub up the road and they will make some random 100 year old recipe or something cutting edge. It’s great to try those because if they are bad you’re not stuck with a six-pack of it.
2/5/2012-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
This is why I love brewpubs. You get the freshest beer, and the brewers aren’t set in their production cycle, so they can rotate all sorts of recipes.
2/4/2012-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
I would be down with the Oswalt idea now.
and who knows, it could make the difference. Helath dependant of course.
assuming the new pen holds up their end of the bargain, I expect plenty of offense, so that leaves the SP.
so, long shot but if by mid season Santana is pitching reasonably effectively, ans Oswalt hasn’t broken down, you really only need Neise to take the step forward i think he will this season and at least 1 of Pelf/Gee to be at least serviceable, and they might have enough to hang around the fringes of the WC race.
Not saying it is a high likelihood, just that a few guys either way on a team can make a huge difference. Worked for Ariz. last year (with their SP)
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