Final Score: Reds 6, Mets 1
Player of the Game: Mike Baxter 2-for-4, R
Goat of the Game: The umpiring crew
Tonight, the night belonged to Mike Leake. Leake shut down the Met offense the entire game, holding them to just one run on four hits. It was his second career complete game.
Leake is a guy who doesn’t have great stuff, so his strategy is to try to get ahead of the hitter early by throwing first-pitch strikes. Opposing batters are hitting over .400 on the first pitch against him this season. However, the Mets continued to take pitches as they always have this season, and fell behind in the count often. Leake threw first pitch strikes to 22 of 30 hitters. The Mets took 17 of those and only put one first pitch in play against Leake. It was fastball, fastball, fastball almost every at-bat and the Mets failed to take advantage.
On the other side, R.A. Dickey was smacked around by the Reds offense. He got very frustrated early in the game when he was asked to cut off a bracelet his kids had made for him before climbing Mount Kilimanjaro. The bracelet clearly meant a lot to Dickey and he was furious with the umpiring crew after being forced to take it off. It may sound ridiculous, but that may have been a distraction for the rest of the game for Dickey. In his post-game interview, Terry Collins said he thought it affected Dickey.
The Reds pulled ahead in the bottom of the fourth, breaking a 1-1 tie with back-to-back homers by Todd Frazier and Scott Rolen. Then in the sixth, he gave up another home run – this one to Jay Bruce - to make the score 4-0. Mike Leake finished off the inning with an RBI-single off Dickey. With a four-run lead and a bullpen as good as the Reds’ the game was virtually over.
Notes:
- Dickey wasn’t very effective. His final line was: 6 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 9 K, 100 pitches (70 strikes). His knuckleball was off today and in a ballpark like Cincinnati’s, when you’re off, balls leave the yard. That’s what happened tonight. Dickey hadn’t given up more than one home run since April 18 against Atlanta. He gave up three tonight.
- The offense was just awful again tonight. Ruben Tejada and Mike Baxter were each 2-for-4, but the rest of the offense was held hitless. David Wright was 0-for-3, dropping his average to .321.
- Jeremy Hefner, who will re-join the starting rotation on Sunday, gave the bullpen some rest today, pitching two innings. He’s not the flashiest pitcher and he’s not exactly a big name, but he has been useful for this team so far, in situations like these and also when Terry Collins needs a spot starter.
UP NEXT: Series finale tomorrow in Cincinnati. Matt Harvey will go up against Homer Bailey. First pitch is at 7:10.
56 comments
Mr North Jersey
8/15/2012-10:17pm at 10:17 pm (UTC -4)
Thx for the cross post Connor.
Connor O'Brien
8/15/2012-10:20pm at 10:20 pm (UTC -4)
No problem
srt
8/15/2012-10:21pm at 10:21 pm (UTC -4)
So….is it time to start asking just what exactly Hudgens is doing to earn his keep?
How many first pitch fast balls did the Mets take tonight?
Same they’ve been doing for awhile now. And the league knows it.
Getting a walk is good but if you can’t jump on a early pitch you can hit, the walk is a poor consolation.
The other thing tonight was Bracelet-Gate.
Listening to these explanations by RA and Terry on the post game on having to remove those 2 bracelets something just doesn’t make sense.
The umps said it’s a MLB rule and they’re being told they have to enforce it. Fine.
He’s been wearing those since January and they choose what?….the top of the 2nd to tell him to take them off?
Second, they then went back out the following inning to reiterate to him about it being a MLB rule, not a request coming from the Reds bench. If that’s true, and they’ve been told to start enforcing these rules, why did Leake pitch the entire game with a necklace on? Anyone?
Third, RA said one of the umpiring crew told the home plate ump that he was part of a crew earlier in the year where they made RA remove those. Dickey said that’s absolutely not true. He put them on in January and they haven’t come off once since.
I hate conspiracy theories but you have to wonder just what went on there tonight.
Connor O'Brien
8/15/2012-10:28pm at 10:28 pm (UTC -4)
I saw on Twitter that something had gone on last night with Valdespin? Maybe this was the Reds getting revenge… I don’t know but it’s stupid. Just let the man wear the bracelet. It’s not like he hides a nail file in it or something…
srt
8/15/2012-10:42pm at 10:42 pm (UTC -4)
He got down a sacrifice bunt in the 4th with 2 on and no one out. I have to believe that was TC’s call there and don’t know why the Reds would care. Neither runner scored and from what I’ve seen so far this series, Dusty is the king of managers who like to give up outs by bunting.
Can’t imagine that had anything to do with it.
If it was by design from the Reds – which means the umps lied – I’d have to think they had it planned. They’re in a playoff hunt, RA is good and the knuckler can be difficult to pitch – anything to gain an edge.
Like I said, I hate conspiracy theories but on this tonight I just have to ask: WTF?
darknova306
8/15/2012-10:55pm at 10:55 pm (UTC -4)
Yet another game I’m happy I missed. Did they really not adjust to first pitch fastballs in the zone all night? C’mon, guys! Plate discipline is nice, but you can’t do it at all costs. Gotta make constant observations and adjustments to the opposing pitcher. Watch and learn from your experience! Oy.
This team is dreadful and outclassed by almost everyone they play.
Sylow59
8/15/2012-11:13pm at 11:13 pm (UTC -4)
I have been a Met fan since 1967. As an adult I have lived through the Mike Torrez’ of the world and convinced myself that they were the team to beat (I’m guessing there was an abnormal amount of alcoholic activity involved). But I am at the end of my rope here. There is nothing above ss-A at the positional level worth their weight in phlegm. So there are no trades from the farm happening. Nor is there anybody coming to the rescue. And, face it, do you really want any FA that’s willing to sign here?
Now we have RA pitching every other day. No! WAIT! He’s pitching every fifth day in a 6 man rotation where everyone has the same rest. I was a math major and I’m an actuary and without breaking out my HP-12c I’m gonna say that’s mathematically difficult to pull off. Am I a friggin’ lemming marching into Chyrnobel wearing a Hefty bag? Am I that stupid. My God. I understand the wasteland of the Omarageddon. But for the love of all things good and nice just do sumtin’ alfuckingready.
How can the Cards not have 4 consecutive losing seasons since prior to WW1 and we have to put up with rebuildathon every year? How?
gategem
8/16/2012-1:55am at 1:55 am (UTC -4)
“I was a math major and I’m an actuary and without breaking out my HP-12c I’m gonna say that’s mathematically difficult to pull off.”
Likewise, although many years before you, I was an Electrical Engineering major and I took post graduate courses in both Engineering and Math, and without resorting to some of the tools I used to use (Engineering R&D is all math) during my career I can support your theory that it’s mathematically difficult to pull off. But just be happy that the Lords of Baseball ruled by Emperor Selig did all they could to insure the Wilpons retain ownership of the franchise even if they ruin it in the process. Presently the plan is to insure by all means that the Wilpons continue to own this franchise and all else is secondary. The Mets are in a catch22 scenario. The funds are not there to even build the team properly from the ground up and the funds will not be forthcoming as the team will play to an empty ballpark since I can’t see anyone supporting the lifeless, pathetic and desultory performance from this team right now. Baseball supposed to be entertaining and presently watching the Mets is downright depressing. But if they catch lightening in a bottle you may see a quality team at Citi sometime in the forthcoming decade. Back in the days when I attended the University of Pennsylvania I remember the Reading Railroad had one track to the town where I lived and they ran one train up and then after completing its run it would run the back down that same track. Right now the Mets franchise reminds me of that railroad.
Sylow59
8/16/2012-2:37am at 2:37 am (UTC -4)
I remember Reading for a few reasons that may not be socially acceptable.
1) Carlos Martinez, then a SS Yankee prospect, had hit a HR and a triple (that would have been an inside the parker had he not waited for the ball to land) in the top of the first. So he gets plunked by a FB to the chest in his third AB in the top of the first and begins to lollygag to 1B. I, being outraged , yell at him. “Ypu pussy, charge the mound”. So he looks at me and says “fuck yeah ” and is traded to the WS within a week.
2) Me and several friends are behind the 3B dugout during s New Britton RS DH. The RS are up 2-1 in the bottom of the 7th, 2 outs. The guy at the plate janks one to LF and two runs score so Reading wins. But I point out to the RS 3Bman the first runner missed the bag so he calls an appeal and the first runner is called out so the RS win. Tony Taylor comes out and everyone is pointing to me and TT is tossed. So the managers come out for game 2 and TT and the umps point yo me and TAt is tossed before game 2. I’m guessing this I’d one of the few times anyone was tossed twice between games if a DH
3) I was at Reading vs Hagarstown when Morganna had an issue with her, shall we say, supportive gear.
Sylow59
8/16/2012-2:40am at 2:40 am (UTC -4)
Also, I drew the ire of my Complex Analysis prof for doing the algebraic proof of the Fundsmdntal Theory of Algebra rather than the analytic proof. Yeah, bitch – I’m a rebel.
srt
8/16/2012-9:00am at 9:00 am (UTC -4)
I have to wonder how differently this all would have went down with the Wilpons and Mets the past couple of years – since the Madoff arrest – had Selig retired when he first said he was going to.
Not a doubt in my mind that the Wilpons made a deal with Selig to retain ownership at just about any cost – one that included Sandy coming in as GM for the short term. That’s why i see no point in the anti-Sandy hating soap box crowd. They keep ignoring the elephant in the room, which is the Mets are broke.
NJstuckinTX
8/16/2012-9:25am at 9:25 am (UTC -4)
i agree.
And you could see a fresh start come 2014, with new GM, new Manager, and a heck of a lot of new faces on this team.
The one thing that should be kept in context (and which I’m sure it will be) is the mess that is going on in Houston. They sold everything off to get prospects, get payroll manageable, and start rebuilding to get back to mattering again. Well, they sold everything, got payroll manageable, have started rebuilding and have an absolutely empty stadium. They have nothing to attract the fans as far as who is on their roster. For that alone, I am convinced that Wright will need to be re-signed. you have to have a draw. Cutting Bay and eventually saying goodbye to Santana isn’t hard for the fans, because they both suck these days. Wright, on the other hand, does not. He’ll be back, and if he isn’t, there better be immediate returns that turns the team into a winner (i’m talking like +10 wins) the following year or it’s going to get ugly financially (even more so than it already is) and the Wilpons will be selling the team…
srt
8/16/2012-9:47am at 9:47 am (UTC -4)
‘And you could see a fresh start come 2014, with new GM, new Manager, and a heck of a lot of new faces on this team.’
Couldn’t agree more, TX. 2013 is gonna be another ‘hold on’ type season, IMO.
Your other points on Wright, empty stadiums, etc. are spot on. If this organization trades Wright or lets him walk, we’re in for the same crap I watched during the mid/late 70s.
2014 should be very interesting.
gategem
8/16/2012-5:23pm at 5:23 pm (UTC -4)
“And you could see a fresh start come 2014, with new GM, new Manager, and a heck of a lot of new faces on this team.”
While I agree with this statement I don’t necessarily thing its in the best interest of the franchise. What escapes most of the SA hating dullards is that SA is an extremely intelligent individual with knowledge of what it takes to build a successful franchise. All GMs make mistakes even the acknowledged geniuses and I believe Sandy is part of that group. But I believe over the long term the Mets have a better chance of once again becoming a relevant franchise with Sandy at the helm.
Trs86
8/16/2012-5:32pm at 5:32 pm (UTC -4)
Agreed, he knows the proper structure and that was missing big time. For a GM it isn’t as important that they can scout as much as direct.
jessep
8/16/2012-9:51am at 9:51 am (UTC -4)
My thought on the Wilpon ownership reign is similar to yours.
I personally believe they were given a leash by MLB thanks to Frank McCourt mostly to allow them to bring in people who can slash payroll and worry about the farm system to make the franchise an attractive buy for a new owner.
Pay off as much debt as they can in that 3-4 year window, so that a new owner isn’t taking on their financial mistakes and then sell.
The Dodgers went for a Hollywood price tag, I think the Mets would go for less 2 years ago but obviously their hope is to clean house, get rid of bad contracts, build some quality young players and get this team to look as attractive as possible to a new ownership group.
A new owner won’t want a team that “bleeds money.” That’s not in their best interest.
What is in an owner’s best interest is limited debt on the books, no bad contracts, a hope for a near future to make $
srt
8/16/2012-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Interesting thoughts here. You could be right.
Maybe since Fred is getting up there in years, Jeff really wants no part in retaining the team and this is the plan to sell a few years down the road.
jessep
8/16/2012-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
To me – it’s the most logical.
Why would Fred want to pass mountains of debt and a “bleeding” business down in his family? They are baseball fans – but they are also clearly money fans too right?
I have 0 doubt the Wilpon’s love this franchise, but I also have no doubt they recognize what is going on here.
If you’re a potential buyer would you rather a team that is bleeding cash, has an average at best farm system, has bad money tied into contracts, has a flat 70 something win team and has debt tied into the purchase price
Or would you rather a team that has their payroll in order, has 3-4 years of building blocks added to the farm, has no bad contracts, and has kids like harvey and the rest coming through with a chance to add excitement into the mets all while limiting the debt
Obviously option B is a much more attractive buy. You get less for the Mets today than you could in 3 years. which means your son and his family are taken care of for the rest of their lives regardless of whatever they do in their future endeavors.
I could be wrong – but to me that makes the most sense.
Stickguy
8/16/2012-10:23am at 10:23 am (UTC -4)
I made this basic point a year or 2 back when all the financial crap hit the fan.
People screaming for the team to go broke quicker to ‘force” the wilpons to sell were missing the big picture, which is that the sport does not work that way. And MLB wanted no part of another high profile franchise hitting the rocks when they already had the Dodgers to deal with (and texas).
And this was not just Selig taking care of his old friend. The owners control Selig, and if it was not in their best interests, it would not have happened. Or Selig would be gone by now.
And Jeffy may be just smart enough to know that running a team is way beyond him. Maybe he keeps a small share and a little office, so he can pretend to be a player?
so stabilizing the team for a couple of years (and yes, this means they are “not trying to win RIGHT NOW”) really had to happen, whether it meant the Wilpons pulled it together enough to stay on, or just to position it for an orderly sale for more money.
Finally, I thought all along Sandy was a ST guy, just brought in to stop the ship from sinking, and rebuild the foundation (MiL system, player development, financials, org. culture). Which he seems to have done. And as soon as possible, he was getting the hell out!
and yes, 2014 should look hugely different. New GM (even if it is Depo), new manager, and a boatload of new players.
SaltyGary
8/16/2012-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
That’s an interesting theory. If you look at the Sterling Company profile it’s essentially the Katz and Wilpon family tree. I don’t think people understand how much this scandal has hit them. It’s not just Fred, it’s their entire family.
Yes I am sure they still have plenty of money but when you build up an empire, you want to maintain the empire. So speculation that they may want to cut their losses is not something that is out of left field.
Stickguy
8/16/2012-10:31am at 10:31 am (UTC -4)
the most interesting aspect to me?
what happens to attendance right away when a new owner comes in.
assume it is a typical owner group. some WS hedge fund types, with a “name” front man.
will all the fans boycotting until the Wilpons are gone, suddenly come out and buy lots of tickets, if the team is still going to be winning about the same for a couple of years while they rebuild? And of course, prices stay were they are.
my guess? Nope. They will shift to “put a winner on the field then I will come out”.
so you aren’t likely to see a huge payroll spike, if the new owners have just paid a lot to get in, have the existing debt, etc. so that attendance won’t support it. Maybe a small dip into the red the first year to get some buzz?
I honestly think the # of people not attending games because of the owners is very small. And they mostly would not go no matter who owned the team if they weren’t winning.
Stickguy
8/16/2012-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
gary, they might like BB and be fans (but of the Dodgers?) and all, but 1st and foremost they are business people and rich. And I guarantee that staying rich is #1 on the priority list. And probably 2-99 also.
so if it is there best interests to lop the team off, it is gone.
NJstuckinTX
8/16/2012-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
Stick, you can look at Houston as a direct example of that. New Owner, crappy team, they are just giving tickets away. You can even bring your own food and unopened drinks (no beer.
) into the stadium. Anything to get fans into the stadium. New ownership should have liquidity to withstand that initial down turn. Old money, not so much.
jessep
8/16/2012-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
If a new owner group came in here in say 2 years – they’d have: Wright (hopefully), Tejada, Ike (with head out of butt hopefully), Harvey, Wheeler
As their main building blocks to draw fans in.
Their goal right away would be (assuming they are smart) to change the culture of the fan base and the team. To do a complete 180 in PR and do everything in their power to eliminate “bad press.”
They’d probably not have a “winner” right away but they could go a long way to changing the feel of Citi Field to be more fan friendly.
If they play their cards right – the fan base will back new owners and give them a chance. That is – if they are honest and up front about the plans and about changing Citi Field to being a place for fans and eventually a place of winning.
Changing the culture will attract higher end FA’s here. I don’t like big contracts but I recognize what a guy like Pujols can do for your franchise.
Stickguy
8/16/2012-10:54am at 10:54 am (UTC -4)
they might back the new owners and give them a chance, but still not come out and go to games (ones that aren’t already) until the team starts winning.
and big time FAs are still just going to go for the most money. If they want them, they will have to Beltran the deal.
jessep
8/16/2012-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
If new owners come in with pomp and circumstance and immediately change Citi Field to be more fan friendly (including cost of ticket) and are up front about the plan for the future and the need for fans to support these young players- fans will come.
srt
8/16/2012-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
Wow, all great points, guys.
And Stick…now that I’m thinking of it, I seem to remember you making some of these points a couple of years ago.
Maybe the ‘hobby’ of owning the team was fun when cash flow wasn’t a problem. Now it’s just a headache, maybe one Jeff doesn’t want to deal with.
Also, it’s so nice to be able to discuss these speculations intelligently, even if some of us disagree. Trying to debate this on some other blogs – and I’m sure you know which ones I’m referring to, just makes my head hurt. So many Met fans are just too angry to peel back layers and take a good look at what’s going on.
jessep
8/16/2012-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
No need to do that though srt. Keep the talk about the subject and not what other sites do or don’t do.
When/If your population grows you’ll have people like “that other blog” has also.
srt
8/16/2012-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I wasn’t just referring to ‘that other blog’.
I read several Mets blogs daily.
There is a handful that seem to be filled with nothing but angry Met fans. I’m not happy about where my team is now either but no point in that kind of anger. Some remind me of the ‘lunatic fringe’ I used to listen to call in on WFAN…….
jessep
8/16/2012-12:27pm at 12:27 pm (UTC -4)
Fair enough – your comment just seemed to jive with a comment you made over there and I just want to be clear that there’s no need to bring it here ya know
One day you guys may have an alex68, you never know! lol
srt
8/16/2012-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
MMO is the only blog I try and comment on that seems to house so many angry fans. The others? I just skim and don’t comment.
Have a few I’m a regular on.
I can tell you from experience on being here since day one that this site doesn’t put up with violations of commenting policy. When you’re banned, it’s usually for good.
Connor O'Brien
8/16/2012-12:40pm at 12:40 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for stopping by these past few days jessep.
And Stick, you mentioned in a comment above that you think Terry will be gone in 2014? I think he’s done a good job. I hope DePo (if he”s the new GM) keeps Collins.
srt
8/16/2012-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
Saw a comment a few days ago from Sandy saying that he sup[ported TC, was doing a good job and hadn’t thought yet about an extension. Also said, maybe that was an ‘oversight’ on his part.
So will be interesting to see what the FO does with Terry.
Trs86
8/16/2012-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
Jessup, for the record I don’t think you realize the history of TRDM. This isn’t some first year blog but three years running and our first couple of years our views were keeping up with MMO and AA. Our problem is we don’t post shock articles and we have also had a lot of turn over and too many stretches of fewer articles because it’s ran by fans with jobs.
As for Alex, if I remember correctly he is registered here. We have had plenty and I am not sure we have ever banned anyone. We just don’t have the negative energy for them to feed off of. Unfortunately I think some see a market in that, unless they really are that irrational.
srt
8/16/2012-5:46pm at 5:46 pm (UTC -4)
TRS…speaking of banned….poor TKFJ was banned on the AA game threads for the usual ‘GAME OVER’ in the first.
He used to make me laugh in the Dugout on how fatalistic he was with this team.
gategem
8/16/2012-5:55pm at 5:55 pm (UTC -4)
“TRS…speaking of banned….poor TKFJ was banned on the AA game threads for the usual ‘GAME OVER’ in the first.”
What’s funny about that is for once TKFJ was correct in his assessment. Many of the posters over at AA believe they’re a gift to the universe and communicate daily with aliens from some distant constellation. They all went straight A in their advanced basket weaving courses.
Hazmet
8/16/2012-5:57pm at 5:57 pm (UTC -4)
One major problem with this theory: The Wilpons are part of a deal with the City of NY via Bloomburg to develop the area’s around Citifield. They ain’t going nowhere.
If it wasn’t for that fact I pretty much agree with a minor twist on which I’ve opined. With the $500M+ of remaining debt they have the only way to get out of it is to keep their most valuable asset the NY Mets as a cash generating mechanism. The problem there being they don’t seem to realize you have to put money into the team to draw the revenue. It is indeed a sorry state of affairs.
jessep
8/16/2012-10:28pm at 10:28 pm (UTC -4)
trs
I guess my point was I’ve seen a few posts this week and all the same people commenting and it seems you are all friends. I could be wrong – but that’s what I see.
When you have more opinions, and add to your pool of people you will have people comment “against” users more than “about a blog.”
I don’t know about people’s jobs… I know I have one haha
Trs86
8/16/2012-10:54pm at 10:54 pm (UTC -4)
I understand your point and yeah it does seem like we are all friends but that is because of the environment we create. We all disagree quite often yet very rarely do we spew pure venom at the poster himself/herself instead of debating the idea and even more rarely to we take our disagreements past the point of no return.
Again, it isn’t like this is a blog that hasn’t been around the block.
NJstuckinTX
8/16/2012-1:52pm at 1:52 pm (UTC -4)
SRT,
If I had to guess, Collins is not back in the Manager’s role in 2014, but still with the team in some sort of advisory/roaming position. I’m trying to remember where I read it but I can vaguely remember him saying he didn’t want to manage forever.
Stickguy
8/16/2012-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
that is my guess too. I remember before he was hired, there were quotes from him (when he was the farm guy the year before) that he was happy with that, and had no desire to get back into managing. Then boom, next year he is manager.
That and his age/temperament is largely why I thought he would only be here a few years, and 2013 would be plenty. Let him transition to his pre-determined successor (as a bench coach maybe), then move into a development role again in 2014.
Of course, I also don’t expect Sandy to be GM in 2014. Maybe on as some kind of Sr. organizational guy, but not dealing with players? Depending of course on who the owners are!
srt
8/16/2012-2:21pm at 2:21 pm (UTC -4)
Makes sense to me guys, regarding Terry.
On Sandy? I expect this contract to be a one and done type. I always assumed he’d go back to working for MLB, if he doesn’t retire.
jessep
8/16/2012-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t think hypothesizing about 2014 is really in anybody’s best interest. So much can change.
If you would have been asked in 2006 “how long will randolph be the manager” i’d bet you would not have guessed the end result
NJstuckinTX
8/16/2012-2:44pm at 2:44 pm (UTC -4)
Nor trying to guess what Melky Cabrera’s contract would like like next year. But it beats reading CNN or actually working on a lazy Thursday afternoon.
NJstuckinTX
8/16/2012-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
PS, maybe Sandy signs Cabrera on the cheap as a reclamation project! Go Go Gadget Clear and Cream!
Stickguy
8/16/2012-2:56pm at 2:56 pm (UTC -4)
I might live with that. Young still, obviously has the potential (roids give you pop, but aren’t giving you a .354 BA), plays all over the OF, right?
if they can get him cheap and contrite, go for it!
Trs86
8/16/2012-3:12pm at 3:12 pm (UTC -4)
I am not sure they don’t help your BA too. Increased power will not only turn outs into HR but singles as well. Factor that into the threat of a HR…
NJstuckinTX
8/16/2012-2:28pm at 2:28 pm (UTC -4)
Also, the post title should have been titled “Sickey Leaked!”. Just sayin…
srt
8/16/2012-2:48pm at 2:48 pm (UTC -4)
Pedro Beato the PTBN for Shoppach.
Trs86
8/16/2012-2:56pm at 2:56 pm (UTC -4)
Yup 40 man casualties already. I guess this assumes they may resign Stoppach.
Stickguy
8/16/2012-2:58pm at 2:58 pm (UTC -4)
not expecting that. Usually a PTBNL now is someone you never heard of, not a guy with ML time like this. Oh well.
and yes, the only way this makes any sense at all is if they lock him up for 1-2 years before FA kicks in. And after seeing the catching recently, I am more than fine with that!
SaltyGary
8/16/2012-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
Yea Ill take Beato any day over some no-name who somehow makes a name for himself. The Beato experiment was fun, but no real loss and Shop will be a great backup for us. Not the move I wanted but happy with it.
Trs86
8/16/2012-3:13pm at 3:13 pm (UTC -4)
Heck, they may get him back anyway. Isn’t like he has no chance of being DFA.
srt
8/16/2012-3:43pm at 3:43 pm (UTC -4)
We’ve got a real need for a catcher and even though he might not be great, Shop might fill that need for next season.
Beato had some potential but hasn’t yet realized it. No one can say if he will.
Trs86
8/16/2012-5:30pm at 5:30 pm (UTC -4)
I am still not down on Thole like most but we certainly need a quality RH backup and Stop can be that.
Hazmet
8/16/2012-6:00pm at 6:00 pm (UTC -4)
I believe they soured quickly on Beato when he threw Thole under the bus on that wild pitch he couldn’t control about a month ago. Which I think contributed to him being sent down and now out of town.