Earlier today MetsmerizedOnline posted an article that displayed how poorly Francisco has pitched over the last 28 days which span from Aug 16 to Sept 12. The numbers are no doubt about it piss poor with a 6.75 ERA and a 1.607 WHIP over that span. It got me to thinking though just how drastically different Francisco’s numbers are in save as opposed to non-save situations.
Just in the above span alone you already see the difference.
In Save situations:
4.0/IP, 0/H, 0/R, 0/ER, 0/BB, 5/SO, 0.00/ERA, .000/BAA, 4/SV
In Non-Save situations:
5.1/IP, 11/H, 7/R, 7/ER, 4/BB, 6/SO, 11.82/ERA, .423/BAA
It is like this over his entire season as well.
In Save Situations:
25.1/IP, 19/H, 7/R, 7/ER, 9/BB, 29/SO, 2.49/ERA, .200/BAA, 1/W, 1/L, 23/SV, 3/BS
In Non-Save Situations:
15.0/IP, 28/H, 20/R, 19/ER, 12/BB, 17/SO, 11.40/ERA, .378/BAA, 0/W, 2/L, 1/H
It should be noted that when looking at Francisco’s 3 blown saves thus far this season compared to the rest of MLB that of 43 relievers that have at least 10 or more save opportunities 10 have 2 blown saves or less.
There is no doubt that outside of save situations Francisco has been just horrendous for lack of a better word. I have no rational way to explain why this is the case. My understanding has always been that one of the jobs of the manager is to put his players in situations where he can get the best out of them. Understanding that this can’t always be the case it seems at least based on this season that Collins might just want to try harder to only use Francisco in save situations come 2013.
10 comments
NJstuckinTX
9/12/2012-3:36pm at 3:36 pm (UTC -4)
Based on these numbers, why in God’s green earth would Terry bring in FFF in non-save situations? Is it just to get work? The combo of Terry and Warthen are sub-optimal, at best. Terry may be a heck of a motivator type, but in game moves are not above average.
But, we’re stuck with him (FFF). Has he always had this great of a difference between save/non-save situation? He’s been bounced from the reliever’s role to setup numerous times, so I can’t think he’s pitched so bad as a setup guy in the past. Lingering injury? No motivation? Too much Mac and Cheese with bacon bits and panko bread crumbs for lunch?
srt
9/12/2012-6:48pm at 6:48 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for the research.
This proved what my eyes had told me, watching all games.
I knew he was far worse in non save situations. And in my opinion, there is no excuse for that.
Take last night, for example. He doesn’t give up runs, Hairston’s HR ties the game.
If there is a way to do it, I’d trade him.
Stickguy
9/12/2012-7:05pm at 7:05 pm (UTC -4)
I just don’t get how there could be that stark of a difference. Could he really care so little to just suck because it is not a save op?
only other possible reason is he only gets the mop up duty when he is coming off an injury, had way too long of a rest period (never a save op), or when they are trying to “get him going”. In any of those cases, he is likely to pitch worse.
but still, not to this degree.
srt
9/12/2012-7:15pm at 7:15 pm (UTC -4)
With the amount of money he’s making, his mindset should be the same whether he’s in there in the 7th, in there in the 9th on a losing end, or in there for the save.
Usually it’s the other way around. Some pitcher doesn’t have the mentality to be a closer. FF has proven he does, so IMO there should be no problem or excuse pitching that good at any other time. If they need him in there whenever, the level of effort should be the same.
Trs86
9/12/2012-8:02pm at 8:02 pm (UTC -4)
Time to dump fff for another problem, maybe a RH of that sucks… Oh never mind we got one of those. Maybe on that doesn’t suck as bad.
NJstuckinTX
9/12/2012-10:05pm at 10:05 pm (UTC -4)
And in come FFF in the 9th, down by 2… Sigh.
gategem
9/12/2012-10:28pm at 10:28 pm (UTC -4)
“watching all games”
I really don’t know how you do it. Watching the Mets is on the banned CIA list of enhanced interrogation procedures. It’s like eating food with insects crawling all over it. It’s like being subjected to unending feed of Barry Manilow music.
Stick
9/12/2012-10:40pm at 10:40 pm (UTC -4)
still better than the off season when there is no BB at all!
gategem
9/14/2012-1:10am at 1:10 am (UTC -4)
Oh is that what the Mets try to play!
Hazmet
9/12/2012-11:11pm at 11:11 pm (UTC -4)
Since this is about stats how about this for a thought:
Posey is currently 6 points behind McCutcheon for second in the batting average title. I think it would be just delicious irony if he were to finish second in the batting race to his Steroid infused teammate Cabrera.