Trade Ike Davis? It’s on the table
Adam Rubin stirring the pot, stating the obvious that almost all Mets players are available or truth to the rumor? We went through this last year with Niese and Davis, went through it again with Niese earlier this year and now it’s Ike’s turn again. How long before the masses figure out that most rumors are just rumors and have nothing substantial behind them at all?
UPDATE: Davis’ reaction
“I have never missed games or not been ready to work because of anything to do with staying up too late,” Davis told the Daily News this morning. “I show up every day. I play hard. It is unfair to me, and it doesn’t make sense.”
So here we go again where the media seems to be driving the story and at the end the players have to deal with it.
All this and then at the end of the article Martino writes:
“The team “won’t shop either aggressively this winter, but will be open to the right deal for either,” according to one club source.”
Thanks for wasting my time.
67 comments
Pacific NorthTex
9/18/2012-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
Well, the ability for the Mets to backfill the 1B position internally is probably the easiest for them. If Ike could net a solid RH OF or C, I can’t see why it wouldn’t be considered.
Wanna mentioned in another post that TB, BOS & BAL all could be in the market.
TRS86
9/18/2012-12:20pm at 12:20 pm (UTC -4)
Again, the problem is the power production even in a down year. Ike is still the only true power threat in the lineup. Duda has shown flashes but… So they better make sure that if they trade Davis they are either bringing in someone by trade or by FA that can be that power hitter. To me they need more power hitters in the lineup not less. The problem is that Davis has to be the #4 hitter. Imagine him hitting 7th where a swing like that should be.
NJstuckinTX
9/18/2012-5:39pm at 5:39 pm (UTC -4)
Well, you obviously look to get a power bat for the outfield. I like Ike (I’ve seen that on a button somewhere…) but if Duda + an OF bat is a better combo than Ike + Duda, you do it.
Joe D.
9/18/2012-12:08pm at 12:08 pm (UTC -4)
Hey TRS, one thing. I know Adam Rubin well and I dont know what you mean by stirring the pot and if that is intended to say he made the incident up.
Rubin has more integrity than he gets credit for, and most fans are more outraged at him because they want him to be a fan instead of what he is, one of the finest reporters in the industry.
He does not fabricate rumors and has more inside ties to the Mets organization than anyone else including the front office themselves.
If you choose to believe this is all fabricated, you are entitled to your opinion. But from one who knows Adam Rubin I can tell you that outside of Mets fans who have always preferred a sweet lie to a horrible truth, he’s as widely respected as they come.
TRS86
9/18/2012-12:18pm at 12:18 pm (UTC -4)
Oh I have had my moments with Rubin in the past. He’s the best of a bad group. However, to say he also is not prone to click posting is a bit of a stretch too. He has a job as well and at times when the Mets stink and no one is clicking he has a duty to his organization to take a story that has little life to it and bring it to life.
We all saw Duda playing 1B. What does a reporter smell? Controversy which equals clicks. So what do you do? You go out and get people to say things they shouldn’t, anomalously of course, and then take the story from there.
Of course the Mets may consider trading Davis, we have known that forever. They may consider trading anyone but Harvey and Wheeler. Of course the Mets think he is stubborn, enough to trade him? Who knows.
My point is that just like the Niese rumors this year and last year and the Davis rumors and the Wright rumors with the Rockies, many of them are basically just unfounded anonymous people talking and nothing more.
Joe D.
9/18/2012-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
Well, I understand and respect your point of view however I disagree. Adam Rubin has no idea how many clicks he gets and he doesn’t have enough hours in a day to worry about such things because he is always busy talking to players, executives and following stories. The Mets blogosphere would implode and MetsBlog would go out of business without Adam Rubin, but he is widely repaid with scorn instead of respect. I just think Mets fan pick and choose what they want to believe. If it’s something they like they agree, if it’s some they dislike they wave it off as speculation and conjecture. Yesterday on MMO everyone was convinced that Duda was being showcased embracing Cerrone and Baron’s opinions. I didn’t see it that way at all and was actually waiting for the other shoe to drop which it did this morning.
What makes more sense that a team with zero outfielders on the team and zero outfielders on the way would trade Lucas Duda?
Or that they would trade a stubborn first baseman knowing Wilmer Flores is oh so close and Daniel Murphy could simply slide back to 1B or possibly even Duda in a pinch? Murphy was praised at first base when Delgado went down and his spring training injury paved the way for Ike Davis so most of us forgot how well he played the position.
srt
9/18/2012-12:45pm at 12:45 pm (UTC -4)
Flores isn’t close enough to start at first come opening day.
I have to believe if Ike is traded, Duda starts at first. It’s the only position Duda can play with any kind of talent.
If many Met fans have scorn for Rubin there’s probably a good reason for that. And I can’t go along with it being only that he’s telling them what they don’t want to hear or agree with. All beat writers do that at times. If he really is wildly scorned by the fan base as you say, it’s more along the lines of how he delivers the message, then in the message itself. And I’m sure Rubin knows that.
TRS86
9/18/2012-1:16pm at 1:16 pm (UTC -4)
Joe I think you are lying to yourself if you think Rubin doesn’t know how many clicks he is getting. Even if he doesn’t then someone over him does. That would be like saying that Modern Family does not know how many viewers they have because they are too busy acting.
As I said I respect the hard work he puts in but I understand his overall goal is to sell.
As to why Duda was at 1B considering our OF situation, it could also be said why is Duda ever in the OF considering how bad of an OF he is.
Hazmet
9/18/2012-6:58pm at 6:58 pm (UTC -4)
The Mets Blogosphere would implode without Rubin? Really? C’mon now. Lost me on that one. There’s alway’s a next writer a next blogger amongst the multitudes in the masses. So Adam is to the Mets Blogosphere as Al Gore is to the internet I guess.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-7:22pm at 7:22 pm (UTC -4)
Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous?
OK my friend, an apostrophe in “alway’s”??
It’s not even a f***ing plural!
Seriously, what the f***??
Hazmet
9/18/2012-7:42pm at 7:42 pm (UTC -4)
lol, yeah I usually catch that one since I do that all the time by mistake but I’m not at work so just motoring on…
At least I’ve stopped typing insure by mistake instead of ensure.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-7:49pm at 7:49 pm (UTC -4)
Hey, I have been so crazy busy for so long that I have not been here enough; just remembering some good old days…
TRS86
9/18/2012-12:18pm at 12:18 pm (UTC -4)
Oh but welcome over.
srt
9/18/2012-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll give Rubin his due as he’s probably the most thorough Mets beat writer out there. Integrity though among this group is subjective. After that Omar/Bernazard/Rubin debacle you have to wonder. Omar came off like an idiot but where there’s smoke, there usually is fire.
Besides, TRS is right. Coming up on this off season isn’t going to be any different than others. There’s going to be all types of trade speculations by these writers, all types of ‘anonymous’ sources and many designed for those clicks on their site. It’s their job, after all.
TRS86
9/18/2012-12:30pm at 12:30 pm (UTC -4)
Yep, until people realize there are no true “news” organizations in sports or politics anymore and the entire thing is designed to garner your attention and appeal to the base or to anger the base we will not realize the truth to all of it is in the middle.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
HAHAHA! Joe is a comedian even when he is not trying to be.
Rubin would not make anything up? He has loads of insider ties – he “has more inside ties to the Mets organization than anyone else including the front office themselves”? YES! He has more insider ties than Fred and Jeff even!
“Adam Rubin has no idea how many clicks he gets”
“The Mets blogosphere would implode and MetsBlog would go out of business without Adam Rubin”
It is hard to decide which of these comments is the most inane, but it is fun trying!
Hey Joe—us younger folks understand what Rubin does—his job and salary are about how much attention he gets—-if you think Rubin does not exaggerate and fabricate to get clicks to his high-profile site, you are even more utterly out of it than I ever imagined.
Omar’s finest moment as Met GM might have been calling out Rubin for being precisely what he is, another ridiculous member of today’s ridiculous, attention-starved media.
This is maybe the best thing I have ever seen TRS write: “Yep, until people realize there are no true “news” organizations in sports or politics anymore and the entire thing is designed to garner your attention and appeal to the base or to anger the base we will not realize the truth to all of it is in the middle.”
It is funny, whenever an MMO character shows up, I am with TRS 100% and more. MMO makes me appreciate your utter wisdom TRS.
TRS86
9/18/2012-1:59pm at 1:59 pm (UTC -4)
Hey be easy on the guest. I think Joe has merit here in the fact that Rubin clearly works harder and is more respected than any of the other jokers.
Also, lets leave out MMO from the discussion. Joe runs a great blog and there are many knowledgeable authors and commenters there. Is some of that brought down by a few posters? Sure but such is the price of success I suppose. For one I would hate for it to go back to the days of Metsblog being the only game in town.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
A load of dishonest, self-promotional reporters work really hard too; let’s not confuse quality and quantity.
And Rubin is disrespected by as many or more than he is respected by.
Your own words are too good to improve on:
“Yep, until people realize there are no true “news” organizations in sports or politics anymore and the entire thing is designed to garner your attention and appeal to the base or to anger the base we will not realize the truth to all of it is in the middle.”
That says it ALL about today’s media; it says it all about Adam Rubin.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
As for Metsblog, Cerrone and most of his writers are 3rd rate jokers, and there surely are many terrible idiots in the comment section, but as I have spent a lot of time there since you guys have been at MMO, I have found that there are a few dozen commenters there who really are outstanding.
Just as there were when we all met and you started this place. There is a group there right now aching for that to happen again.
TRS86
9/18/2012-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
Well hopefully they do go out and make their own blog. The more the merrier. You go right ahead with the Metsblog. We both have our vices but honestly I can barely read the articles there and I can’t access their comment section at work.
Joe D.
9/18/2012-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
Thanks for that Kingman. Like Bayonne Met Fan, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
TRS86
9/18/2012-2:13pm at 2:13 pm (UTC -4)
LOL, I really think once you separated the Mets part of the discussion Kingman, Alex, Metsie and Bay would get along quite well. If they didn’t kill each other first.
Joe D.
9/18/2012-2:21pm at 2:21 pm (UTC -4)
They are a band of brothers. lol
Stickguy
9/18/2012-2:40pm at 2:40 pm (UTC -4)
I would buy a ticket to that show.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-2:41pm at 2:41 pm (UTC -4)
Alex I surely would get along with.
Bayonne is a misogynistic, profane, childish, lazy idiot.
Do not know enough about Metsie to judge.
And Joe bunching me in with Bayonne once again shows his utter lack of, well, good mental qualities.
I have never–EVER–here or elsewhere behaved like Bayonne.
At least Joe cannot delete my post here and then put words in my mouth and go on an insane ramble about me criticizing his “G-d and his country”!
I still chuckle about that.
But I am sure Rubin has no idea how many clicks he gets and has more Mets front office connections than the Mets front office.
TRS86
9/18/2012-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
Kingman as always converse opinions are welcome here. However, the personal insults of someone like Joe who is a guest isn’t necessary. What was done on MMO that day is done and we have all moved on. If you do not agree with Joe but can’t do it in a respectful manner please move on and attack me instead
kingman 26
9/18/2012-2:50pm at 2:50 pm (UTC -4)
I have no reason to attack you.
I didn’t invite Joe.
TRS86
9/18/2012-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
Well I did invite him and he like all of our readers are guest so put on your good clothes and clean up nice.
wanny
9/18/2012-3:07pm at 3:07 pm (UTC -4)
This Comment has been removed by TRS86! Please try not to disrespect posters from other sites and hold yourselves to a higher standard.
Thanks,
TRS86
Stickguy
9/18/2012-3:19pm at 3:19 pm (UTC -4)
well, then I would love to know what his reason is to want to trade Wright so much!
kingman 26
9/18/2012-5:17pm at 5:17 pm (UTC -4)
For you I will TRS.
Only for you.
srt
9/18/2012-9:30pm at 9:30 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t remember the last time I even clicked on metsblog, let alone even read one comment. To me, it’s just another spinoff of Mets.com now.
But to each his own enjoyment.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-10:22pm at 10:22 pm (UTC -4)
I just went there when you guys went to MMO. I just cannot be a part of that.
There are a few like Bayonne at Metsblog, but there actually IS a community of people who are just like we were there years ago.
Joe Gomes
9/18/2012-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
If we get a nice starting OF with power for Davis so be it. Personally I think the Mets should trade Wright and Dickey as well but not Niese.
Infuse the team with as much talent as possible and lets see what team we end in 2014. Use 2013 to determine who moves forward with the team, who gets traded and who is part of the bench.
Buy maybe Rubin is just LOBBBING for a yob.
srt
9/18/2012-1:40pm at 1:40 pm (UTC -4)
No, it’s Rubin is ‘lobby’ for a job. LOL.
TRS86
9/18/2012-2:37pm at 2:37 pm (UTC -4)
Welcome Joe. There certainly is a case for trading Wright and Dickey.
wanny
9/18/2012-1:42pm at 1:42 pm (UTC -4)
“anomalously”
-TRS86, 12:18 p.m.
(lol. just having fun with you, TRS)
TRS86
9/18/2012-2:02pm at 2:02 pm (UTC -4)
I think it’s french for bad… LOL.
wanny
9/18/2012-1:47pm at 1:47 pm (UTC -4)
I like Rubin’s work. I read it every day. And he’s without a doubt the best on the Mets’ beat.
But to suggest he’s not conscious of ESPN’s business goals is ridiculous. He didn’t graduate the Wharton School at UPenn by accident.
I suppose this article could be classified as “news” in that it is apparently based on a report from a source. However, a source is not cited for the stuff about Ike not being coachable and staying out too late. That stuff sounds like speculation, not news. It is not even cited.
TRS86
9/18/2012-2:02pm at 2:02 pm (UTC -4)
That was my point, what is actually new about it? That Ike frustrates the Mets, is stubborn and may be traded? We have known all that since last off-season.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
“But to suggest he’s not conscious of ESPN’s business goals is ridiculous.”
Thank you.
It’s not just ridiculous, it is comically inane.
Stickguy
9/18/2012-2:43pm at 2:43 pm (UTC -4)
I am sure that someone with all the connections that Rubin has would have no problem finding someone within MLB circles with any possible opinion.
so, easy enough to come up with the angle you want to put out there (as a cattle prod to the masses), and find the “support” to run with it anomolously (as TRS said, I believe that is southern speak for without accreditation, Y’all).
TRS86
9/18/2012-2:48pm at 2:48 pm (UTC -4)
LOL
That being said, it was brought up in this subject before if they go too off the deep end they get banished to xm radio instead of mainstream. What I mean by that is that if they constantly make up the stories then the team will not allow them the access that they actually need for the real stories.
I just think some have a hard time distinguishing the factual part of the story and where the author speculates.
Stickguy
9/18/2012-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
Someone poked the bear.
Chesty Knog is on fire today baby!
kingman 26
9/18/2012-2:51pm at 2:51 pm (UTC -4)
Just telling it like it is.
And yes, it does sometimes suck being right all the time!
Stickguy
9/18/2012-2:57pm at 2:57 pm (UTC -4)
but you do make up for it by being modest.
Pacific NorthTex
9/18/2012-3:28pm at 3:28 pm (UTC -4)
Man, drive around Seattle lost for an hour or two and look what I missed. Now that is some good posting action. I would take any reporters info at face value. Ever. And I think what someone said above in that if too many links were being let out, privledges would get squashed. Membership has its privileges, and responsibilities, as they say.
And only if Ike was dominican…
Pacific NorthTex
9/18/2012-3:41pm at 3:41 pm (UTC -4)
Would not* take face value
kingman 26
9/18/2012-5:16pm at 5:16 pm (UTC -4)
How’s Seattle? Was any of my long-winded advice helpful? Drop me an email and let me know any comments or observations, and if you would like any more bloviation about anything regarding America’s greatest medium large city.
NJstuckinTX
9/18/2012-5:36pm at 5:36 pm (UTC -4)
I will when I get back. It’s a whirlwind at the moment. Your sage advice was fantastic. I put a piece of gum on the wall for you.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-7:19pm at 7:19 pm (UTC -4)
Glad I could help; please let me know what is going on when you have time.
darknova306
9/18/2012-4:55pm at 4:55 pm (UTC -4)
“Thanks for wasting my time”
Reading articles by any of the beat writers is a waste of time. They are either providing mediocre “analysis” of stuff you watched on the field, re-capping things you already know, writing quotes that you heard on TV that day, making stupid things up based on this ubiquitous guy named Anonymous Source, or wild speculation that you could get in the comment section of any blog on the internet.
The drivel written by beat writers isn’t worth the electricity my laptop uses to display it.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-5:15pm at 5:15 pm (UTC -4)
“The drivel written by beat writers isn’t worth the electricity my laptop uses to display it.”
Bless you. I always liked you, I like you recently more than before, and now I am thinking of building a shrine to you in the Parade Float, which I hope will still run when needed.
darknova306
9/18/2012-5:21pm at 5:21 pm (UTC -4)
Hahaha, thank you sir! Careful how much weight gets added to that Parade Float, its frame might very well be rusted out by the time it’s needed…
And what’s the difference between a beat writer and an insane blog commenter?
… a paycheck.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-7:47pm at 7:47 pm (UTC -4)
At this point, the Parade Float really just sees its glory days on the proving ground…hence, when we need it in 2 or 4 or 25 years, we will just add another large turbo engine to help propel the massive bar, and the shrines to you, Rusty, Keith Hernandez, the 1986 Mets, Davey, Dave Kingman, Las Vegas, Booker’s/Woodford/Knob Creek 120 Proof Single Barrel/Four Roses/Herradura Anejo/etc.
Not to worry; when it is needed it WILL be ready.
And there will be links to NO media except TRDMB and ESPN, minus Rubin’s area.
Mr North Jersey
9/18/2012-5:34pm at 5:34 pm (UTC -4)
My thoughts on Rubin are well documented. If Rubin is indeed just stating the obvious then I don’t know how this is stirring the pot since apparently the pot is already stirred.
In any event those that have a low view of the media probably could care less what Rubin says and therefore this is a non-story to them and those that already believe Ike could be traded to begin with are ahead of the curve. Which unless I am overlooking something (which I probably am) leaves those that didn’t think Ike would be traded and have a more positive view of the media and are therefore surprised to hear this story today.
I don’t know if this qualifies me for doing stand up at a comedy club but it is what it is. An opinion.
darknova306
9/18/2012-5:42pm at 5:42 pm (UTC -4)
You’re pretty much 100% right. Dislike of the media and the understanding that Ike isn’t untouchable are two very rational things. Love of the media and belief that Ike is the greatest and can never be considered a potential trade chip are opinions from delusional loonies. These are the kinds of loonies that get worked up and click all these stories, providing the beat writer vultures with the carcass of what was once rational thought.
Hazmet
9/18/2012-7:05pm at 7:05 pm (UTC -4)
Yes, lets trade a young 1B with power and above average defensive skills and move a plodding Duda over to 1B who’s CAREER home run total is one more than Ike has produced in just THIS YEAR. And he’s having a bad year. Or, let’s move a second baseman with no power over to 1B because we want to trade our 1B for a power hitting outfielder. Huh? Yeah let’s get weaker defensivly at 1B and throw proven power in NY out for speculative prospect OF power. Yeah this makes sense – has Metland really gone that far off the rails.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-7:17pm at 7:17 pm (UTC -4)
Hahaha!
Rubin, with more sources than the Met front office according to MMO, says something.
It MUST be true!
What a bunch of idiotic BS.
When the folks at DARPA were conceiving the Internet, I am sure this is what they imagined—halfwit baseball fans agreeing with pathologically dishonest guys like Rubin out for one thing—more clicks and a bigger paycheck.
What an unfunny joke.
Hazmet
9/18/2012-7:47pm at 7:47 pm (UTC -4)
My routine when I’ve sat through DARPA debriefs on proposal submittals I’ve been on is I sit there saying:
Please no problems with the programmatics
Please no problems with the programmatics
Please no problems with the programmatics
Their format’s are torture as in “tell us how you’re going to do this multimillion dollar multi year complex schedule and resource breakdown structure in 1 page or less for programmatics. It’s almost impossible.
File this under more than you needed to know or cared about.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-7:48pm at 7:48 pm (UTC -4)
Ha! interesting!
But it makes me appreciate my little brother even more for inviting me to run our own business 12 years ago!
Hazmet
9/18/2012-7:53pm at 7:53 pm (UTC -4)
Just different levels of pressure and imo more so running your own business. My gig’s like the island of misfit toys which is why I think I fit in, it’s just bizarre somedays.
kingman 26
9/18/2012-8:27pm at 8:27 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, the pressure can be huge. No one to answer to but ourselves, but on the other hand, we are ultimately responsible for everything.
I have literally answered customer emails while on the beach in South Carolina and while crocked at a Vegas craps table.
srt
9/18/2012-9:52pm at 9:52 pm (UTC -4)
On a nasty, stormy night with no Mets baseball I come here and read thru these comments. Haven’t enjoyed a post and it’s comments here like this one in awhile. I miss these debates.
Thanks for the bit of entertainment. Just want to say two things:
1. Kingman, can I come work for you and your brother? I can answer customer emails in pink fuzzy slippers or sunning on the beach with the best of them.
2. It’s going to be a long off season filled with all kinds of rumors and ‘sources’, isn’t it?
kingman 26
9/18/2012-10:20pm at 10:20 pm (UTC -4)
MF4D, you are the very best of us.
If you lived here–and we are about to hire 1 or 2 people–I am sure you would be the first considered.
And in all seriousness, to people all over the world we might as well be Fortune 500, but you really COULD answer customer emails (and you would have to take some calls too) in your pink fuzzy slippers.
srt
9/19/2012-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
I was just joking with you but I thank you very much.
I’m actually counting down the months now until retirement. Only thing that will prevent me from finally pulling the plug is if this economy gets much worse.
Being your own boss though…..best way to go, I’m sure!
Stick
9/18/2012-10:53pm at 10:53 pm (UTC -4)
well, just make sure you don’t let your stalkers know (happened to see you being ‘discussed” elsewhere earlier today) where you are!
you really are a lighting rod you know.