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18 comments
Stickguy
9/22/2012-8:25am at 8:25 am (UTC -4)
OT, but for the life of me I can’t figure out how this site decides what to show as “related posts” in a thread. Usually very old, and never actually related!
Oh, and Terry can move on too. His act has worn thin.
trs86
9/22/2012-9:27am at 9:27 am (UTC -4)
Lol I think it’s random. Same thing at MMO.
srt
9/22/2012-10:29am at 10:29 am (UTC -4)
I always wondered about that myself.
Pacific NorthTex
9/22/2012-9:44am at 9:44 am (UTC -4)
I use beer in place of that blue light. Works about the same.
Go go gadget new 20 million dollar share investors to get an increase in payroll this coming offseason!
srt
9/22/2012-10:36am at 10:36 am (UTC -4)
The Wilpons should have just let Einhorn in. Since Fred doesn’t want to give up control, I think he had like three years to return the investment, with interest.
The team would have had an immediate infusion of cash, the Wilpons would have had a high incentive to field a contending team sooner rather than later or they would have lost sole controlling interest.
Win/win for us fans.
darknova306
9/22/2012-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
The cash infusion is irrelevant with the detritus out there to spend it on.
srt
9/22/2012-1:07pm at 1:07 pm (UTC -4)
I’m not sure I agree with that, as far as coming into the 2012 season.
After the 57 MIL for Wright/Bay/Johan, that left some 37 MIL they spent. Even adding 10-15 MIL to that we could have come away with a bit better BP, to start with.
I’m not saying they need to go out and spend like drunken sailors as they have in the past. But not having an extra 5-10 MIL to possibly go after someone they might be targeting is just sad. That and I still believe if not for the money, Reyes would ahve been re-signed.
Pacific NorthTex
9/22/2012-3:53pm at 3:53 pm (UTC -4)
There is also the “Non FA salary add” that would happen in a trade. Let’s say you are able to trade Familia, Duda, Mejia and Havens for Justin Upton, you would have to add like 8 million to the payroll. (not saying that would do it trade wise, but the point of trading major league min salaries and prospects is what I was trying to make). That and you can extend Wright & RA just fine. No, you aren’t getting the “prospect infusion” that trading them would do, but if you could trade for Upton and spend 10 mil extra for BJ, and with the savings from pelf/carasco/etc, spend that money on the BP, I think the team would be flawed, but have a definite punchers chance.
Dickey, Niese, Harvey, Santana, Gee is a solid rotation.
Shoppach, Ike, Murph, Tejada, Wright, Duda/Baxter, Justin, BJ is certainly a better starting lineup.
No clue what they would roll with in the BP.
darknova306
9/22/2012-8:20pm at 8:20 pm (UTC -4)
And I still think re-signing Reyes would have been a terrible move. He’s most definitely not worth the money he’s getting, and last year is being shown to be the fluke it obviously was.
The only way $10-15M extra makes a worthwhile difference is if the team is only a couple players away (i.e. the mentality of the entire Omar Era of Folly), and nothing indicates that they are. I agree that I’d love to see the Wilpons sell to someone else, but I’m not naive enough to expect that a cash infusion would jump them up to competitors all of a sudden. They have a lot more work to do than just “get the Upton brothers”.
Trs86
9/22/2012-9:14pm at 9:14 pm (UTC -4)
Right, FA puts you over the top not to it.
Stick
9/22/2012-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
but it can also be a way to snag a key building block and lock it up for 5 years. Just expensive, and kind of rare to get one young enough to give you there prime.
Beltran say. Maybe teix. and a handful of others..
Trs86
9/22/2012-10:26pm at 10:26 pm (UTC -4)
But what good would Beltran have been without Reyes and Wright?
Stick
9/22/2012-9:58pm at 9:58 pm (UTC -4)
on a positive note, the cards returned the favor and snatched victory out of the jaws of defeat, and halladay got shellacked and phils lost big.
that was a good thing.
but, I still think it would be great if the the dodgers, cards and brewers all ended up tied for the 3rd WC. straightening that out should be fun!
but as long as the phils aren’t in, I don’t care which team is.
Trs86
9/22/2012-10:29pm at 10:29 pm (UTC -4)
One thing that I keep in mind is that the Mets payroll isn’t low, they are still spending. It’s just still poorly spent, fortunately the poorly spent all comes off next hearing Bay, Johan and evenFFF. Why would we think the plan all along hasn’t been survive and build until you can have that flexibility?
Stick
9/22/2012-11:02pm at 11:02 pm (UTC -4)
I make this point a lot. People scream “sandy didn’t spend”. Wrong, Sandy is spending close to 100mill a year. It is just that most of that was pre-spent by Omar, so he has little discretionary budget to spend on new players. Hell, the Mets payroll is higher than the Braves or Nats. Along with more than 1/2 of all MLB teams.
Trs86
9/23/2012-9:50am at 9:50 am (UTC -4)
Right so the plan has always been to build up prospects with etas around 2014 and realocate the money on useful pieces. IMO.
Stickguy
9/23/2012-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
so flores and wheeler are putting the Mets back in the playoff hunt.
got it.
of course, if the FO did something about getting some more just about ready for the ML talent, instead of hanging onto guys that will be gone or fading at best in 2015 (and eating up a high % of the payroll) there might actually be a future.]
otherwise, you will just have the same mix/match and filler pieces, with just a lower payroll, making Fred ecstatic!
gategem
9/23/2012-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
Hey, Stickguy that fellow Stick as the same Avatar as you do.
Anyway, as you said, a major chunk of the Mets’ payroll is committed to dead wood that does not help the team place a competitive team on the field and thus Sandy’s left with diminished resources to apply to building the franchise. The problem is that the free resources are mostly being applied to trying to and so far successful endeavor of keeping the Wilpons in charge. I would have loved to have seen additional resources applied to improving scouting and coaching, increasing the number of prospects signed and improving developmental facilities throughout the organization. But it is what it is.