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by Mr North Jersey
Here is an estimated breakdown at how things look on the projected 25 man Roster/Payroll for 2013.
10/10/2012-5:10pm at 5:10 pm (UTC -4)
By the way if you remove the salaries from those 8 player to be determined slots the remaining balance is $6.9M to fill those 8 spots.
10/10/2012-8:21pm at 8:21 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t see Acosta coming back at that price.
10/10/2012-8:46pm at 8:46 pm (UTC -4)
I believe that will be the case as well but there was just enough doubt to leave him there for now.
10/10/2012-8:48pm at 8:48 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah I got you, Thole might be gone as well but I think he’s back.
10/10/2012-9:21pm at 9:21 pm (UTC -4)
I’m betting Thole is back but Acosta is not.
10/11/2012-9:23am at 9:23 am (UTC -4)
Yea Acotalypse aint coming back.
10/11/2012-11:45am at 11:45 am (UTC -4)
Not at that rate he isn’t. Wouldn’t be the first time though if they release him and then agree to a minor league deal.
10/10/2012-9:22pm at 9:22 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t have a problem with an approximate 95 MIL payroll.
I do have a problem with it when two players alone are getting half of that for 2013, and we have to fill holes with the rest of the pennies that are left.
Wilpons need to throw another 10 MIL or so into the pot.
10/11/2012-5:33am at 5:33 am (UTC -4)
Here’s the question though. Do you feel confident that they would get that 10m back in return? It’s kinda like updating the tapestries before selling the house.
10/11/2012-8:29am at 8:29 am (UTC -4)
Maybe….little things like a fire going in winter and cookies baking in the oven have swayed a potential homeowner to buy a house.
I’m not saying just throw 10 MIL or so more in the pot for the sake of doing it. I’m suggesting if they set the payroll at say 95 MIL, but there is a trade that involves a player with a contract coming over that puts them over that 95 MIL – one they really feel could improve the team, then spend the money. Have to invest somewhat to get a better rate of return, right?
10/11/2012-8:37am at 8:37 am (UTC -4)
No no no not cookies baking in the oven cinnamon rolls.
10/11/2012-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
Yum, now I want a cinnamon bun.
I agree. Budget is fine and all, but you have to put out a certain level of ML quality product (or at least try real hard to). And sometimes that means having more than a minimum wage guy filling a role.
Nickeas vs. a ML quality catcher, a real OF instead of some random shlub that never played out there (Turner?), stuff like that.
basically what they tried to do in the Pen with the guys brought in. Just hopefully more successfully!
And like MF noted, if a trade offer comes through where the talent fill is going to significantly help them now and in the future, they can’t turn it down simply because it adds a little to payroll in 2013. Remember, they have money coming off, so it could be just borrowing the 10mill from next year.
10mill is what, 200K people in the house (figuring each arse is worth $50). So yeah, the right moves can pay for themselves.
10/11/2012-11:13am at 11:13 am (UTC -4)
I sure hope they borrow some from next year. I can’t see how they make a full team without doing so. Shop Vac will get a mil, I’m sure to get some sort of serviceable OF will take a mil as well… You cannot expect to fill the rest of te spots with Rookies and min wage types and expect special things on the season.
Practically 50 mil invested in two busted up schleps. Sigh.
10/11/2012-11:29am at 11:29 am (UTC -4)
If they stick to the #, and don’t have the stones to blow it up and trade Wright/Dickey, then they absolutely have no expectation of special things happening. Just putting 25 men on the field (24.5 if Bay is back!) and playing 162 games.
if a miracle 1000-1 shot occurs and they make a run to the playoffs, wonderful, but that is not even on the list of goals for 2013.
10/11/2012-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
trs: what’s an rdm email I can reach you at. Or you have my email from logging in just now – can u shoot me a message?
10/10/2012-11:46pm at 11:46 pm (UTC -4)
acosta won’t be back.
it is also debatable counting buyouts (since technically, they don’t have to buy them out or they could vest), but they do get paid this calendar year, so for accounting purposes, they can. Flip side is, they then have more $ to spend in 2014, without having buyouts carried over.
what should however be backed out of that total is deferred payments. Johan has 5mill deferred each year, and the first payout of that is in 2014 (so of course, reduce payroll that year for 7 years!). But in 2013, you can in real terms reduce the total by $5mill.
10/11/2012-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
I doubt we’ll see much spending until Santana and Bay come off the books.
10/11/2012-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
But if they were creative and found something needed, like say uh… BJ Upton, they should be able to negotiate around one year of poor finances.
10/11/2012-1:11pm at 1:11 pm (UTC -4)
Creativity will be the key this offseason. I hope they can find a way to improve in 2013.
10/11/2012-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
they won’t. and they are not going to bother to try.
unless, and I don’t see it happening, they get stonewalled by Wright/Dickey, and realize they have to make a move. If those guys go, then all heck has to break lose to rebuild the roster.
but if the plan is to resign them and lock into another 5 years of mediocrity at best, then nothing else will happen.
10/12/2012-1:01am at 1:01 am (UTC -4)
“but if the plan is to resign them and lock into another 5 years of mediocrity at best”
That’s my fear. I’d rather get the prospects…
10/12/2012-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
Well hopefully next year will be a step forward from some of the guys like Davis and Harvey, etc and that will produce more exciting play and more wins. Then with being able to spend a little after 2013 the ticket sales will increase enough to begin to raise payroll again to go with a young core.
10/12/2012-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
question: Is the player minimum going up? I’d imagine it will right?
Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things but I believe it was $420k in 2011 and $498k in 2012 right?
So that will cut the “budget” down another few thousand
10/12/2012-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
True, but what if players sign minor league contracts or are already on minor league contracts. Isn’t their pay actually prorated based on the amount of time they are actually in the bigs?
10/12/2012-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
Right its usually not always everybody makes X
case in point
The absolute minimum a MLB player could get this year was 480k
So Duda, Tejada, Gee, Turner for sure are going to make more than 490k as estimated above.
10/12/2012-12:56pm at 12:56 pm (UTC -4)
Right, but isn’t it also possible that the Mets paid some of those guys less than the minimum because they weren’t with the MLB team the entire year and had a minor league contract at the time?
10/12/2012-1:12pm at 1:12 pm (UTC -4)
Right but their salary won’t go down will it?
Gee isn’t going to make $502,000 in 2012 and make $490,000 in 2013. So if you look at Tejada, last year $491k… so this year he won’t get re-signed for less… he won’t take a paycut prorated or not.
Which brings me to my next question – is Thole arb eligible? Are they projecting him to be a Super Two?
If so, I’d still be shocked if he makes $1.2m through arby or negotiation.
10/12/2012-1:19pm at 1:19 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, Thole is arby eligible and got to remember those guys usually don’t take a pay cut.
My point wasn’t so much those guys as they now have MLB contracts. I am talking about guys who do not start the year on the 25 man roster and are in the minors on minor league contracts and their contracts are purchased at a later date.
10/12/2012-1:24pm at 1:24 pm (UTC -4)
According to MLBTR Thole is arb eligible:
The Mets are next in our 2013 Arbitration Eligibles series. Matt Swartz’s salary projections are below.
First time: Daniel Murphy ($3MM), Bobby Parnell ($1.5MM), Josh Thole ($1.2MM), Rob Johnson ($600K), Ike Davis ($2.8MM)
Second time: Fred Lewis ($500K), Manny Acosta ($1.1MM)
Third time: Andres Torres ($3.2MM), Mike Pelfrey ($5.7MM)
10/12/2012-1:56pm at 1:56 pm (UTC -4)
I think they’d decline arbitration on Thole before paying him $1.2m to be honest. That’s a pretty high estimate. I’d be more comfortable with 750k ish.
Really depends on what they do at the C position
10/12/2012-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
I had to update the links on some since the links were only temporary but if you click on say Matt Harvey’s link for example it will open the CBA in Google Docs and page 2 you will see the min salary breakdowns.
d. Minimum Salaries
1. Major League will increase from $414,000 in 2011 to: $480,000 in 2012; $490,000 in 2013; and $500,000 in 2014; COLA in 2015 and 2016.
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