JP Ricciardi has agreed to a three-year extension to remain special assistant to Mets GM Sandy Alderson.
— Nick Cafardo (@nickcafardo) November 8, 2012
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kingman 26
11/8/2012-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
Well, we have the next GM when Alderson runs screaming from here at the earliest moment Selig will allow.
Ah, let us bathe, wallow, and bedeck ourselves in mediocrity forever!
Let’s Go Mets!
TRS86
11/8/2012-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
Because?
kingman 26
11/8/2012-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
Which part?
JP had a pretty mediocre record in Toronto as I recall.
And my guess is that Alderson is mortified at having to lie to the fans, as he brazenly did with the “We’re buyers!” thing, which I am sure was 100% Wilpon dictated.
He inherited a depleted franchise, has no money to spend, almost zero valuable prospects to trade, they did not allow him to sign many draftees, payroll is already set for 2013 after a terrible year, and the team has very little hope before 2014-2015. So my guess is that he pines for the day he will be gone.
Sorry Chief, I hope we make some exciting moves and I will be watching as soon as ST starts, and as you can clearly tell I am back posting and commenting, but I have very little faith in improvement in the next 1-2 years.
TRS86
11/8/2012-12:10pm at 12:10 pm (UTC -4)
I get you are disenchanted but to say that they are doomed to mediocrity because JP will be the GM when Sandy leaves implies way too much credit to the GM to start with. Is it any wonder that GM’s can be great at one place and horrible at another? It’s all about resources and the entire staff.
kingman 26
11/8/2012-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
Fair enough–but TRS–they have been here two full years.
Their record—this three-headed supposed team of greats—has accomplished stunningly little—at just about any level.
If you can dispute this, I would love to hear it.
Where are the brilliant evaluational skills? The finding “diamonds in the rough”? Even the drafts and the minors don’t look so great.
Sorry Chief—granted, they inherited a terrible situation and have VERY little to work with thanks to Madoff/Wilpon/Omar–but in two full years with three former GMs all working together, they have accomplished, really, nearly nothing.
wanny
11/8/2012-12:44pm at 12:44 pm (UTC -4)
it’s too soon to say that they’ve accomplished nothing. the only real activities they’ve had a chance to participate in are the draft and international free agent signings (and both with financial restrictions).
their two drafts have been viewed as positives by the draft geeks. guys like fulmer and plawecki could be impact players in addition to Nimmo, who has demonstrated a very advanced approach to hitting, and Cecchini.
the trade of beltran for wheeler seems to have been universally applauded. and so far wheeler is holding up his end of the deal.
not trading reyes was a terrible failure.
it is senseless to nit pick over free agent signings because of the amount of money dedicated for the same. you can find some lousy signs (carrasco, francisco) and some good ones (rauch, hairston).
niese was locked up into a terrific deal.
they’ve had nothing of value to trade other than reyes until now, where the two trade chips have arguable value and there is no sure fire right answer as to whether to trade either.
all in all, the reyes fiasco, in my mind, renders the administration at a slight negative so far. there was a chance to really infuse some talent and doesn’t seem in retrospect that they had ever intended to keep him (of course, the coupons might have been more concerned about ticket sales at the time). However, there have been some positives, and some potential positives still to come.
wanny
11/8/2012-12:47pm at 12:47 pm (UTC -4)
also, they are clearly trying — and have been fairly successful — in acquiring specific types of players into the minor league system and have also clearly been developing those players in the way they want.
it is not a coincidence that guys like plawecki, nimmo, muno and flores are all exercising patient and selective hitting approaches.
kingman 26
11/8/2012-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
Fair enough Wanny, and good answer.
But I would not say Rauch and Hairston were really that big of a deal.
Rauch is mediocre, and Hairston’s play was dramatically overrated by fans desperate for anyone to hit HRs.
wanny
11/8/2012-12:49pm at 12:49 pm (UTC -4)
and have you forgotten that they’ve jettisoned bad seeds like perez and castillo and now have jettisoned a wasted roster spot in jason bay?
wanny
11/8/2012-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
agree on rauch and hairston. but both were relatively good values whereas francisco was a colossal disaster so far.
TRS86
11/8/2012-1:01pm at 1:01 pm (UTC -4)
I give them more of a pass on Reyes because I think with him injured right before and under performing right at the deadline showing no desire to even think about a steal or extra-base made the Mets decide that the return value wasn’t great enough to forego the ticket sales of a batting champion and the slight chance of re-signing him.
I still hold to the fact that if you convict them of anything there it was misjudging the market… the Marlins lunacy. No one else even thought about touching that Marlins deal. I think the deal that the Mets rumored to have on the table would have actually been his 2nd highest offer.
TX
11/8/2012-1:37pm at 1:37 pm (UTC -4)
I don’t hold not trading Reyes against them. Yes, getting a return on him would have been better than just letting him walk, but his injury right around the trade deadline probably reduced the intended return significantly. And, while it really doesn’t matter, we now have a batting champion on this team.
I’ll hold judgement until ST of 2013. That will be 3 offseasons, and if the team is pointed in the correct direction, then he’ll get a thumbs up from me. If it’s more shrinking salary and hoping on draft picks, then out come the thumbs down.
Stick
11/8/2012-5:23pm at 5:23 pm (UTC -4)
Reyes? I agree with Real on this one. I honestly believe they did hope to have him back, just at a more reasonable term. Coming into the year, who knew what to expect of him? And if they were tempted to trade him at the deadline (again, not sure they were) his value was slashed when he pulled up lame again.
ANd J.P.? No, I am not excited to see him returning as GM (and I fully well expect Sandy bails well before that deal expires, with Ricardi taking over). But, maybe he learned something from his 1st experience, so I will give him a chance to perform before passing judgement.
I would love to see you new, young hotshot GM of the future coming in instead, but then again, a few years ago J.P was that guy!
Wait, is JP the jonah hill guy, or was that depodesta?
Stick
11/8/2012-5:25pm at 5:25 pm (UTC -4)
forgot one point, why I love this move.
Not that I will bother to go look, or will ever post there again, but this is worth the money just as a kick in the nads to get the Core all riled up.
Stick
11/8/2012-8:29pm at 8:29 pm (UTC -4)
staying with this topic, it does not surprise me, but many of the more “vocal” posters on some blogs seem to largely miss the point of what the job of a GM is. It is not simply doing everything possible to win a few more games in the current year.
Of course, they also scream about the team having “3 GMs” when one of them is the player development director (every team has one) and the other is just a special assistant (something else that every team has multiples of).
anyway, I still say a key task 2 years ago was fixing the mess that the organization was in. That means organizational philosophy, player development practices, MiL system, all that good stuff that qualifies as the foundation a successful, sustainable organization is built on.
There of course was the added wrinkle of needing to downsize payroll at the same time, which certainly put a dent in the chances of competing in the interim.
But I always thought, and am pretty sure Sandy basically said, that they were focused on 2014+ and looking to build an operation like the Braves, where they would have a pipeline of talent to keep the team competitive or better for many years in a row. Anything they accomplished in 12-13 was more gravy, and while they would make an attempt, it would not be at the expense of the “future”
Now, maybe I am giving them too much credit for having a plan, vs. a concept, but it is something!
Prismo
11/8/2012-9:40pm at 9:40 pm (UTC -4)
This is a really excellent comment Stick. Nothing to add.
TRS86
11/9/2012-8:19am at 8:19 am (UTC -4)
Hey you stop monopolizing all our threads with your logic and stuff and get off your butt and write a damn post…
Stickguy
11/9/2012-9:06am at 9:06 am (UTC -4)
I just did. Go ahead and copy it into an official one!
TRS86
11/9/2012-9:10am at 9:10 am (UTC -4)
Nope, not letting you off that easy. Log your butt in and post it. LOL.
kingman 26
11/9/2012-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
Sorry pal, but you are backsliding here.
As for paragraph two, every team does not have a former GM in all of these roles, and we clearly were sold the idea of a dream team with Sandy and his two lieutenants. Some really wise folks are positing their releasing players with bad contracts as being among their “best” moves.
I suggest that this is ridiculous. We have a troika of three supposedly very wise baseball men, all former GMs (how many teams have three former recent GMs in their front office?), and they have now been in charge for two full years, and releasing Ollie, Castillo, and Bay are being cited as some sort of wise moves?
This is comedy, and not the funny kind.
And of course Alderson is talking about 2014, so a significant percentage of the fan base can be deluded into believing that anything aside from Wilpon survival is their “plan.”
Sorry my friend, but while I fully blame the Wilpons for what they are clearly responsible for, the track record of this dream team of former GMs is VERY mediocre and mixed thus far.
And as for paragraphs 3 and 5, downsizing your minor league presence and failing to sign so many draft picks simply does not match this philosophy—if this WAS the philosophy, which there is really scant evidence of.
Again, I love the team, have for 40 years, probably always will, will be psyched for spring training (especially to see Wheeler and any progress from Mejia and Familia), but right now there is little real world reason to believe that any plan for the future is going on.
Bottom line—all we have top be optimistic about for 2013 is Dickey/Niese/Harvey/Gee and maybe Parnell/Mejia/Familia, and Ike and Wright.
NONE from Sandy. It kills me to write it, but Omar’s legacy, while horrific mostly, is responsible for the only bright spots on this team today.
Alderson and Co., no matter how you spin it, have done absolutely nothing to improve this team at the MLB level in two full years. And I would guess this will continue.
TRS86
11/9/2012-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Don’t discount guys like Wheeler as well.
kingman 26
11/9/2012-10:24am at 10:24 am (UTC -4)
Certainly am not; but let’s see his first MLB game before getting too excited.
My comments really are mainly saying that they have done nothing to significantly improve the team on the MLB level in two full years.
I understand that it took even Frank Cashen until his 5th year to show us a winning team with tons of promise.
But I remain of the belief that Alderson is here at Selig’s behest to put the best possible face on the somewhat permanent financial transformation of this team in order for the Wilpons to survive as owners.
I believe that this is the “plan.”
And I pray that Wheeler develops and Dickey is re-signed, as I truly feel that the potential of the rotation is the only way this teams fights to .500 or above in the next 2–3 years.
TRS86
11/9/2012-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
But Kingman that was the plan as well. Get by until 2014, they weren’t going to make any long range trades or signings until then. Now again if they do nothing with all the money off the books next year and they suddenly have a 70M payroll then I will agree. Otherwise, they are almost doing exactly what I wanted them to do until 2014. Don’t do anything that can hurt you in the long-run by caving to fan pressure in trying to compete with a broken roster and a broke team. Build up the minors, assess what you have, be patient and strike when the team is ready.
kingman 26
11/9/2012-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
Fair enough Chief, and I sure hope you are right!
TRS86
11/9/2012-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
Me too but even if it fails it doesn’t mean it was a bad plan or their wasn’t one. We tried it the other way and that failed too.
TX
11/9/2012-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Or Nimmo, Cecchini, Fulmer, etc. The only way Alderson would have an impact on this team right away,from a prospect perspective, would be via trade. The youngins are too far down the line to judge just yet, though they are coming.
The Pummeling Polak Plawecki is looking might promising as well.
I think this is the beginning of a nice time period for the team, as after this year, the minors should look to produce 2-3 kids a year and with the payroll flexibility, they can start to make some deals. Just hopefully not like drunken sailors. Are there any other kind of sailors?
TRS86
11/9/2012-10:50am at 10:50 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. The plan was to build from with in and get by until the awful contracts expired. We won’t know if the plan worked until at least 2014.
gategem
11/10/2012-12:25am at 12:25 am (UTC -4)
Stick, the pity is that while you are totally correct this is information that has been discussed ad infinitum for two years. At this point we should have all agreed upon the tasking of the FO and their major goals. The fact that it has to be rehashed “tis a puzzlement” and makes one wonder about the intelligence level of the fan base. About the only difference I have with you and it is a mere quibble is the priority of the tasks. I believe attending to the financial situation trumped all others.
My hope is that the FO triumvirate is emulating what statistically has been shown to be a successful approach since baseball myth many times flies in the face of reality.