Well the Marlins did it again. A fire storm that scorched all of Miami…one that even sent their winter prize Jose Reyes to Canada.
Today’s question, should the Mets have jumped in on this sale? Maybe pick up a player or two?
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29 comments
Bryan
11/18/2012-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
I don’t see how that would have been possible, the Marlins traded everyone to one team in one trade, they didn’t trade each guy to a different team. Also, there’s no way the Mets could have taken on all those contracts. Even the multi-year deals are really back loaded, which would ruin the flexibility they have starting a year from now; they also would have had to trade high-level prospects, which would hurt the farm system.
srt
11/18/2012-9:11am at 9:11 am (UTC -4)
MarLOLins.
Doesn’t appear to me like Loria shopped any of them all that long. Don’t know who contacted who first, but Toronto wanted most of those players and were willing to part with top prospects to get them.
I’m thinking he might have actually done better if he shopped some of them separately. But Loria isn’t known for patience or smarts.
- No way should we have been in on the Reyes sweepstakes. That back loaded contract is awful.
- We really have no need for Buehrle.
- Buck isn’t any better than Thole and since we appear to be sticking with Josh, we don’t need another RH catcher.
- J.J. might have been interesting but probably too expensive prospect-wise.
- Bonifacio might have been worth acquiring, since we really don’t have any starting OFs right now. He’s really the only one involved in the trade that would have any value to the Mets right now.
Stick
11/18/2012-9:18am at 9:18 am (UTC -4)
I don’t think so. The only guy I would have actually wanted was Reyes, and no way that was happening (and not with his contract!)
I think the Mets should have done their own though already. But they lacked the testicular fortitude to ever take bold action to address problems and build right.
SaltyGary
11/18/2012-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
LOL
trs86
11/18/2012-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
Nope
Paul
11/18/2012-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
There wasn’t a match – the Mets can’t take on payroll like that, and the Marlins made their deal primarily to shed salary.
Also, none of the players the Blue Jays picked up really would have done much to address the Mets’ most glaring problems – catcher, outfield & bullpen.
TX
11/18/2012-11:09am at 11:09 am (UTC -4)
No possible way. When you realize the amount of salary the BJs took on, it is staggering.
Hazmet
11/18/2012-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
Giancarlo Stanton’s the only player I want from their club. Which brought up a different debate on SNY earlier this week, which I had thought of too when I heard of the fire sale:
Trade Wheeler for Stanton?
I wouldn’t do it as young ace potential pitching you can control for years is more valuable imo, but an interesting thought.
Stick
11/18/2012-12:26pm at 12:26 pm (UTC -4)
are you nuts? I would drive Wheeler to Miami myself for that deal!
one thing I am a little surprised about is the Yankees not being involved. Wonder if they even knew, or if Miami approached them?
Just thinking it would have been a classic for them to pick up reyes, but require that Stanton be included. Of course it would have sucked, but just what we are conditioned to expect!
srt
11/18/2012-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
I have to agree here with Stick.
As excited as I am to see what Wheeler brings, trading him for Stanton is a no brainer in my book.
We have no OF. We don’t have any prospects even close to ready to be an every day OF.
Unfortunately, I think it would take more than just Wheeler to get Stanton.
Stick
11/18/2012-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
throw in FLores is they extend Wright. Or a couple of other parts. still worth it.
gategem
11/18/2012-2:09pm at 2:09 pm (UTC -4)
The Yankees ownership wishes for the team to be below the luxury tax threshold by 2014. They’re not prepared to take on major salary commitments at this time. For example they turned down bidding for FA Torii Hunter because they did not want to provide that second year that he received from Detroit.
Stick
11/18/2012-2:13pm at 2:13 pm (UTC -4)
did they already recommit to Granderson? In any case, I am sure there are some parts you can move if needed. Plus they could make an exception!
HobokenMetsFan
11/19/2012-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
Granderson has an option for this year (I believe), which the Yanks picked up.
TX
11/18/2012-4:16pm at 4:16 pm (UTC -4)
Wheeler, Flores, Familia, Tapia, Pill and another, if needed, for Stanton.
Stick
11/18/2012-4:47pm at 4:47 pm (UTC -4)
sounds good. wheeler would hurt of course, but the price you pay.
the rest, good talent that you can replace. But you do it for a generational talent like that.
greggofboken
11/18/2012-4:42pm at 4:42 pm (UTC -4)
If I were Jeffrey Loria, and the Mets were aching for Stanton, the conversation would start with Wheeler and Davis for him. Both Stanton and Davis under team control until 2017. Davis hasn’t had Stanton’s productivity and is two years older. Given the richness of other club’s farm systems, and the dearth of talent in the Mets’, if you want to convince Loria to deal your way….that’s what it would take to continue the conversation. (Stanton comps out on baseball reference to Frank Robinson and Eddie Matthews. Ike to Carlos Delgago)
Stick
11/18/2012-4:50pm at 4:50 pm (UTC -4)
interesting proposal. Much harder decision putting the only existing power threat into the mix.
In effect, you would be replacing Ike with stanton, and just shifting Duda to 1st base but staying in the lineup.
I would rather try Wheeler and parts, but it’s the Marlins, who the hell knows what they do.
TX
11/18/2012-4:52pm at 4:52 pm (UTC -4)
That I would do as well. Duda to play 1B (or even Murph). Turn Flores into a 1B.
kingman 26
11/18/2012-12:36pm at 12:36 pm (UTC -4)
Josh Johnson would have been nice, especially as it would have Dickey-Johnson at the top of the rotation, but in the real world, the Mets are reducing payroll, not adding it.
However, should Stanton and his meager salary be available, I will contribute to Stick’s gas money for the trip to Florida and will pay for Wheeler’s meals on the way.
srt
11/18/2012-12:42pm at 12:42 pm (UTC -4)
I’ll pay for the plane ticket to get him here faster before Loria changed his mind.
kingman 26
11/18/2012-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
Works for me SRT! We can have him fly Delta and I will use miles to pay for the first class upgrade!
Stick
11/18/2012-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
I am actually wondering now how close to viable that deal is. Would the marlins perk right up and start talking? or laugh and hang up the phone?
Do they have any other veteran with a modest contract we could use for a year they would like to clear also?
kingman 26
11/18/2012-3:35pm at 3:35 pm (UTC -4)
Well, as he is under team control this year, and the only remaining seriously established player, I doubt they trade him unless he does not report or really makes a fuss.
But I would definitely take him.
Wright for Stanton and we eat a lot of Wright’s 2013 deal?
THAT would be ideal!
But they would probably want Harvey or Wheeler (or Niese?), and I would give them one of them.
Trs86
11/18/2012-6:04pm at 6:04 pm (UTC -4)
Lol, could the 13 year olds like me handle having a Dickey and Johnson on the team?
Stick
11/18/2012-10:52pm at 10:52 pm (UTC -4)
they did last year. With DIckey pitching to Johnson at some point I imagine.
darknova306
11/18/2012-1:41pm at 1:41 pm (UTC -4)
I’ve always loved Josh Johnson, but I’d have to say no, the Mets shouldn’t have gotten in on that. It was a reactionary salary dump move, and the last thing the Mets have the ability to do right now is add salary.
And if the pipedream of being able to acquire Giancarlo Stanton were to come to pass, I would not only pitch in gas money to drive him up from Miami, I’d provide the booze for the nonstop party on the way.
Stick
11/18/2012-2:16pm at 2:16 pm (UTC -4)
oh man, this is getting better and better.
someone call Sandy and tell him to make this happen damnit!
as to JJ, I am still fine with not making any moves that will require real return (either spending all the meager budget, or trading any of the few good trade chips) unless it is a guy that can be around for a few more years to contribute. The 1 year wonders can be cheap pickups and spare parts.
Hazmet
11/18/2012-8:47pm at 8:47 pm (UTC -4)
Pot stirred on a Sunday, mission accomplished