Morning everyone. As Macy’s gets ready to soon start filling up their Thanksgiving Day Parade balloons with helium “According To Sources” continues to be filled with material to share as well. Today’s “According To Sources” comes courtesy of Mike Puma of the NY Post.
Puma writes that according to an “industry source with knowledge of the discussions, Wright is a “50-50” proposition at best to sign a long-term extension with the Mets” and that “Wright is less than thrilled with the length of contract and amount of guaranteed money the Mets have offered.”
He also writes that a “team official said he was “not sure” if a contract extension for Dickey would guarantee the knuckleballer isn’t traded this winter.” Finally that a person familiar with the club’s negotiating tactics said that “Part of it is [COO] Jeff Wilpon tries to win every negotiation, he doesn’t go for the middle ground,” regarding the 2 sides (Wright & The Mets) being at a stalemate.
That is 3 different sources (industry source, team official and a person familiar with the club’s negotiating tactics) in 1 article if your keeping track.
According To Sources History
- 10/6/2012 – it’s conceivable Wright and Dickey will have new deals in place, at least in principle, by the time the World Series begins later this month.
- 10/9/2012 – The Mets are expected to open negotiations with an offer for somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million for star third baseman David Wright.
- 10/10/2012 – David Wright’s camp intends to milk talks and draw things out until at least after the World Series, in hopes of reaching a better compromise at the last minute.
- 10/13/2012 – Mets could schedule a meeting and begin formal contract negotiations next week & it’s too early to tell if it’s still possible for either player to be signed this month.
- 10/25/2012 – Contract negotiations between the Mets and Wright & Dickey remain very preliminary and have not advanced to the point of talking years or dollars and they are still talking about when to really get talking.
- 11/6/2012 – The Mets are “not close” to a resolution with either Wright or Dickey.
- 11/7/2012 – Discussions regarding Dickey’s contract extension could see “a resolution before the month ends”.
- 11/8/2012 – Mets are not expressing the same optimism with R.A. Dickey in regards to “progressing, albeit slowly, in completing a long-term extension”.
- 11/8/2012 – Mets are “showing little interest in signing Dickey to extension” and are “discussing him in trades”.
- 11/9/2012 – Speculation that Dickey wanted a Oliver Perez type deal is “completely incorrect” and that a decision to sign or trade Dickey after the NL Cy Young winner is announced could be resolved pretty quickly”.
- 11/13/2012 – Mets made Wright an offer and Wright’s people have made a counter offer.
- 11/17/2012 – Mets plan to offer Dickey a two-year contract extension & if Dickey agrees to a 2 year extension he wants more than $10 million a year.
- 11/19/2012 – Mets “would want a monster package for (R.A.) Dickey, and if they don’t get it, probably would not trade him.”
- 11/20/2012 – “50-50” that Wright signs an extension and Wright is less than thrilled with Years and guaranteed money offered so far. At least one team official is “not sure” if Dickey agreeing to an extension is any guarantee he will not be traded this Winter. Finally that part of the reason for the stalemate between Wright & the Mets is because Jeff Wilpon tries to win every negotiation and doesn’t go for the middle ground.”
25 comments
TX
11/20/2012-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Well, if there is anyone that can help Stick get his wish and have neither Wright nor Dickey re-sign, it’ll be Jeffy.
“I’m sorry, David, but we cannot go past a 4 year deal. We need to insure we can continue to pay for our helicopter trips to spring training games, and with the markets as it is…”
Stick
11/20/2012-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Stalker.
TX
11/20/2012-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
Stalker, Texas Ranger…
Mr North Jersey
11/20/2012-10:15am at 10:15 am (UTC -4)
My usual grain of salt disclaimer would apply until some time where multiple reports start confirming the same sentiment or can be verified.
wanny
11/20/2012-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
50/50 — Puma and his source really went out on a limb with this one.
Stick
11/20/2012-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
sounds like a Cerrone “opinion” (I think he will sign. unless he doesn’t, in which case he won’t)
Stick
11/20/2012-10:34am at 10:34 am (UTC -4)
well, either the “quote” from Wright is just typical agent posturing and smoke blowing, or he really is just after every last $, like, oh, every other player coming up on FA!
The reports do seem to be pretty consistent about having 6 years on the table, which I assume is in addition to the option year (so 7 total). And if that is insulting to him, then he is insane, and they should ship his ass the hell out of town.
I personally think 6 should be the max, including the 2013 option. Give him a little more $ and an option (team) year or 2 to stroke his ego.
Or, tear up the option for gamesmanship, and go 6/111 (that would be like adding 5/95 onto the option). then add a team/vesting option for another 19, so he can claim it is a 7/130 deal, taking him though 36 (guaranteed) or 37.
if that is still being scoffed at, then they should just give him a good luck pat on the ass as they trade it out of town.
TRS86
11/20/2012-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
Wait a minute, why should he take the Mets offer without countering and waiting to see if they cave? Does he owe something to them?
TX
11/20/2012-10:46am at 10:46 am (UTC -4)
Seeing what others are being offered or rumored to be offered (BJ Upton as an example), why wouldn’t Wright, who has superior numbers, not expect a bigger & better deal?
Stick
11/20/2012-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
Upton is a FA. DW is not.
TX
11/20/2012-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
True, but signing an extension is similar.
TRS86
11/20/2012-12:52pm at 12:52 pm (UTC -4)
True but that shouldn’t impact things too much either.
Stick
11/20/2012-12:22pm at 12:22 pm (UTC -4)
oh, he does not have to take anything. He can politely decline, and bet on himself to actually have a big enough (and healthy enough) year to blow that offer away after 2013. But at some point, there has to be a best offer on the table.
I am just looking at it from the perspective of a Met fan (the team, the the David Wrights), and what IMO they need to do. Which is either lock him up quickly for whatever it is they can stomach, or get cracking trying to get a big talent infusion by trading him.
and for that, they need to resolve this quickly. If that means an ultimatum, then so be it.
Stick
11/20/2012-10:38am at 10:38 am (UTC -4)
I am really tired of this protracted back and forth BS. If it is Jeffy stalling, then Sandy needs to have Fred lock him away in the closet.
Just cut to the chase, tell them what the take it or leave it best offer is, and give them until the day before the winter meetings to start, or they start shopping hard. And do it.
if Wright wants to be offended by something like my above proposal (assuming that is around what the best offer would be), and thinks he can play out to FA and come over the top, then it is certainly his right, and good luck to him, but he can’t also hold the team hostage in some passive-aggressive stall game.
wanny
11/20/2012-10:45am at 10:45 am (UTC -4)
from what i can gather, there is a 50% chance this is Jeffy’s fault. if not, then it is not his fault and then there is a 50% chance that it is not Jeffy’s fault. from what I can gather, there is also a 50% chance that it is Wright’s fault. if not, then it is not wright’s fault and there is a 50% chance it is not his fault. from what i can gather there is also a 50% chance that it is sandy’s fault, which means now that there is a 150% chance that it is somebody’s fault, unless it is not anyone’s fault which would mean there is a 150% chance that it is not anyone’s fault.
kingman 26
11/20/2012-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
Excellent!
Except you really should have misspelled a word or two in each sentence to REALLY have this be an ideal parody.
Stick
11/20/2012-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
if he had, I would have been convinced.
hey, have you ever seen Wanny and Cerrone in the same place? Hmmm?
srt
11/21/2012-11:26am at 11:26 am (UTC -4)
Add a couple of ellipses and wanny’s got it down pat!
gategem
11/20/2012-8:24pm at 8:24 pm (UTC -4)
I see you’ve applied sabermetrics to the situation.
Mr North Jersey
11/20/2012-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
LoL, Coutinho.
@coutinho9
As baseball off-season plows on: Message to my Met followers: Be wary of stories that liberally use the words, should, could or might
https://twitter.com/coutinho9/statuses/270913160993710080
SaltyGary
11/20/2012-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
He has really been a breath of fresh air this season.
Donal
11/20/2012-12:28pm at 12:28 pm (UTC -4)
He’s generally a cool, well reasoned guy.
Stick
11/20/2012-7:54pm at 7:54 pm (UTC -4)
OT, but just saw the Mets put prospects on tehe 40 man. Are they really going to roll the (other) Flores dice again, and expose Ad Rod? Hard to imagine he would get picked, but man oh man, if he does? The blogsphere will explode!
Though, I expect they still have time to put more on? and the 40 man does seem to still include torres and acosta.
they did put that Burke dude on instead. Good thing, because 30 YO dudes that pitched in AA are always in high demand in the rule 5 draft!
gategem
11/21/2012-2:53am at 2:53 am (UTC -4)
This from Newsday:
“If the Mets fail to sign R.A. Dickey and David Wright to long-term deals this winter, conventional thinking dictates that both would be shopped in the trade market, allowing the team to salvage some value for parting ways with their two brightest stars.
But chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon said Tuesday that trades would be only a last resort, and that if deals can’t be reached, he’d rather have both play out the final year of their deals. The goal remains signing both to long-term extensions.”
Stick
11/21/2012-11:12am at 11:12 am (UTC -4)
he is a moron that should keep his mouth shut.
For the health of the team, playing out the string is the absolute worst case scenario.