This from the fingers of Adam Rubin:
Report: Mets finally make Wright offer
According to the report the deal is 6 years 100M, the same as Zimmerman and Longoria. The deal would begin following the 2013 season, which is already locked in at 16M. Thus the overall deal could be said as 7/116. Obviously this would be considered to be a very team-friendly deal which is why Rubin also reported that, “The offer is expected to be rejected by Wright’s reps.”
Interesting. Yesterday many of us wondered what the Longoria extension would mean for Wright. Myself, I did not think that the situations matched enough to be comparable. Due to Evan already being under contract for multiple years, Longoria’s deal actually carries him through 2022 or 2023 depending on the details. Wright only has one year remaining on his deal, a year that pays him 16M already. Assuming an increase and then at least 6 years, I don’t see anything less than 6/108 with most likely some type of option year; maybe two.
What this does mean, however, is that the Mets are far away from any 7/140 deal that has been rumored and with this as the starting point if Wright wants to remain a Met, then he won’t be asking for that either.
Like sands through the hour glass…
52 comments
TRS86
11/27/2012-9:22am at 9:22 am (UTC -4)
OK guys time to talk it up here as I am completely bored with some of my normal moonlighting areas. Man it’s the same damn thing everyday and it appears because the off-season isn’t popping that certain ones on multiple sites are taking over.
I understand that there’s a lot to be negative about right now but damn.
Stick
11/27/2012-9:35am at 9:35 am (UTC -4)
I refuse to ever interact with that bunch again, and at this piont have the site on my check in the evening to see if there were any interesting articles list.
no point in bothering with the comments since 90% are a few guys stroking each other, and complaining about other posters.
Cerrone’s place in comparison is a bastion of intelligent baseball thought.
TRS86
11/27/2012-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
What the hell is a bastion?
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:06am at 10:06 am (UTC -4)
Stick used it 100% correctly! Let’s keep the Mensa meeting going!
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
LOL, the only one I know is describing a defensive formation.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
1 : a projecting part of a fortification
2 : a fortified area or position
TRS86
11/27/2012-11:21am at 11:21 am (UTC -4)
Hey, I did have it right.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-9:58am at 9:58 am (UTC -4)
Pretty much totally agree.
Cerrone’s comment section is filled with idiots, but there are also MANY wise, intelligent, reasonable, rational folks there.
And no matter what a few in The Core think, that comment community is not much larger than ours. Cerrone’s dwarfs us both in terms of volume of commenters.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
Cerrone will always dwarf the competition. He has done a great job marketing his site and that is why he is the official Mets blog. That being said, I still think they need another editor…. lol.
As for the comment sections, if you could take out one specific group or at least bring them under control a little I much prefer others. There are actually some intelligent posters on other blogs as well, it’s just they are starting to be much fewer and farther between. I guess the longer the Mets stink the more people like us will stop blogging. Sad I guess.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
TRS–You are SO right on this. As I have been moonlighting on Mett’s blog for much of the last year, this is so right on the money—MANY cool, smart folks have deserted and been replaced with whining nincompoops, many of whom want Francoeur back!
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:14am at 10:14 am (UTC -4)
Seriously, think of the ones we have lost. Grave, Case, Marc, Fongy???, there are tons I am leaving off. That’s why each year we have to bring in new authors as well. Tough time to be a Mets fan, especially a rational one.
TX
11/27/2012-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
I miss Fongy. I have no one to complain about the Steelers with… Chaz Batch, coming at ya!
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:27am at 10:27 am (UTC -4)
“Grave, Case, Marc, Fongy”
Four of my absolute favorite people in the Met blogosphere, and four MAJOR reasons why we all were banned from Metsblog!
Me and Grave discussing anything, joking with Case about many things, movies and women with Marc, and politics/sports/music/movies with Fongy.
Yeah, that is some major loss of personality there.
srt
11/27/2012-10:03am at 10:03 am (UTC -4)
I can’t remember the last time I looked at metsblog. It’s been months.
TRDM and AA doesn’t have that same constant negativity that some other sites have. Then again, depending on the owner – when the agenda seems to be trashing the FO daily, then the comments will fall under ‘you reap what you sow’ type of thing.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
See, I still can’t get a read on that. I still think that it’s more pandering than an actual agenda. While an owner may have certain feelings towards a FO or player, I still think that some are driven by the clicks. If what produces the most comments and views are negative articles about the FO, if you are trying to make money you would be crazy not to push those articles out first.
srt
11/27/2012-10:19am at 10:19 am (UTC -4)
Could very well be, real.
I’m just seeing the same twist daily on the FO, which definitely panders to the segment of Met fans that hate the current one.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:45am at 10:45 am (UTC -4)
Which also produces the most comments. What I am wondering is as more and more start to stay away because of the increased negativity and posters run amuck will the mood of the articles change to increase comments again?
kingman 26
11/27/2012-9:57am at 9:57 am (UTC -4)
TRS that makes me happy. I would think anyone who has made the attempts you have to be rational with those complete jokers would need to be very tightly wrapped in a very padded cell by now. Bravo for your patience and level-headedness.
As for me, if this is true, it is precisely the same as the Reyes non-offer offer.
And the deal, if it is 6/100, is almost an insult, as Wright will make 16 mil in 2013 then be expected to take 16.67 mil a year for the next 6 years?
It’s not a real offer.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
I disagree that it isn’t a real offer. With Longoria and Zimmerman both signing for that amount, it’s logical the Mets would start there. It’s also logical that Wright would start at a 7 year 140 deal. If both teams can agree on the middle.
6/108 with a 2M signing bonus and a player friendly option for the 7th and a team option for the 8th year, I think most fans will be happy.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:13am at 10:13 am (UTC -4)
Well, 6/108 is a hell of a lot better than 7/125 or 7/140.
I still think he should be traded, but 6/108 does leave a little more flexibility.
We shall see if this was a real offer. If Wright’s agents asked for 7/140 and they came back with 6/100, well, that is not a real counteroffer at all.
It is barely a raise over his 2012 and 2013 salaries, which is where it is dramatically different from the Zimmerman or Longoria situations; their new deals vastly raise their annual salaries.
This last point is, I think, a huge one. Wright might want a big raise, and to get it, the Longoria and Zimmerman deals are not the ones he will want.
TX
11/27/2012-10:17am at 10:17 am (UTC -4)
Well, isn’t a 6/108 + the option already in place the same as a 7/124? do 6/108 + vesting option of 1 year/23 mil with a 6 mil buy out.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
I am not so sure Kingman. There’s not a ton of difference in 6/100 and 7/140.
It’s about 3.5M a year and then an extra year thrown in.
So the Mets are offering 16.5M a year for 6 years and Wright is rumored to want 20 for 7. Again, logical middle ground would be 18M for 6 years with a player friendly option for the 7th year.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:28am at 10:28 am (UTC -4)
Sorry Chief, but I think 40 million bucks over just one more year is absolutely HUGE for the Wilpons right now.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:30am at 10:30 am (UTC -4)
TX–I highly doubt that Wright and their agents are considering the option to be any part of a new deal. Just does not seem to be the way these folks negotiate or think.
I would imagine the only relevance of the option is to say hey, he is making 15 mil in 2013, and you want to offer just 16.6 a year?
Again, look at the raises Longoria and Zimmerman got—folks are missing what could be the key element here. These guys are competitive and want to outdo each other.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:44am at 10:44 am (UTC -4)
I still think it’s not as large of a deal as you think Kingman. Again, if you break it down it’s 3.5M more per year and an extra year at the end. Plenty of middle ground.
Also, do we honestly know what Wright is asking for?
Stick
11/27/2012-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
well, this seems certainly reasonable. More than generous, and (like in real estate) supported by the ‘comps”.
It will be interesting to see if when push comes to shove, all the liking it here, wanting to win, etc. goes in the dumpster, and as with all the rest of the players it is all about the $.
7 years to a 30 YO (in 2013) is already a ridiculous long contract. And if Wright is going to dig in his heels to get more years, then just say screw it and throw the chum in the water.
so 7/116 (and I do have to look at it as a 7 year deal) seems pretty damned strong to start. If he needs an ego stroke and has to get a bump, go another 4 to make it an even 7/120. Crazy IMO, but very strong for his age, recent performance, possible back concerns, etc.
but, if he is still obsessed with getting more money (completely throwing the wanting to make sure the team can be a winner concept in the dumpster) give him an option year with protection for the team.
so call it a 7/124 extension (6/104 guaranteed, 1/20 option). That means his guarantee is 7/120 including 2013.
If that still is “insulting” then the team should have about 99% fan support to try and get something back for him to help build the future.
but, as I have harped on before, they need to have this done or off the table with him being shopped hard by the winter meetings.
so perfect timing. His side can counter, and at that point, it should very quickly come to a resolution.
TX
11/27/2012-9:46am at 9:46 am (UTC -4)
Good post. I think you are correct in that a resolution will come about quickly. And even if they do make a last year option with a decent buyout to get it done, I’d have no problem with it. Get this done, move on to trading Dickey for JP, Gose and another and start looking at a 5/6 starter types to hold the fort until Wheeler comes riding in on his trusty steed.
TRS86
11/27/2012-9:33am at 9:33 am (UTC -4)
MLBTR sums it up this way:
“The Mets’ proposal compares with the six-year, $100MM contracts signed by Ryan Zimmerman and Evan Longoria this year. However, those third basemen were multiple seasons away from free agency at the time the deals were signed, while Wright’s contract expires following the 2013 season.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#RLbpmAyGmxLvABGv.99 “
Stick
11/27/2012-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
true, but the other way to look at it is they are a couple of years younger.
so basically, they are still working on the part of the contract that DW is just finishing up (2012/2013) at 15/16 million. So if you lay it out age/service wise, it makes perfect sense.
Stick
11/27/2012-9:41am at 9:41 am (UTC -4)
Oh darn. You forgot the obligatory “did he put the offer in a box of chocolate” crack. Remember, it is about showing the love, not the Benjamins, right?
SaltyGary
11/27/2012-9:56am at 9:56 am (UTC -4)
I am really not comfortable with anything beyond this because payroll is going to keep the same. Also with all the dumpster diving they have done so far, there is no indication that the team is ready to move forward and act like a big boy. Byrdak to a minor league contract CMON, that shows me that there are not going to be major shakeups. Maybe Hockey season will start in the summer and I can watch that.
And I know the winter meetings haven’t started yet and there is plenty of time, but I already see the gears in motion to show that the “operated in good faith” but Wright wanted no part so he forced our hand BS.
Payroll over/under 85m? I say under.
TX
11/27/2012-10:09am at 10:09 am (UTC -4)
Are you meaning the same payroll this year or the following years? And I would assume any deal he is signing is going into effect for 2014, so there would be no impact on this year.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
We really have no idea what the payroll will be after 2013.
SaltyGary
11/27/2012-10:41am at 10:41 am (UTC -4)
Well currently 2014 is at 39.65 unless Johan’s contract is bought out (which it will so tack on another 5.5 onto 2013 for the buyout). So 2014 is down to 5m for Niese, 7.5m for Bay, Brett and Bobby Bo’s deferment at 2.15m and that’s it besides league minimum and arbitration cases.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
I am saying the maximum, what the Wilpons will set the payroll at.
SaltyGary
11/27/2012-10:01am at 10:01 am (UTC -4)
Currently payroll is at 65m with:
Turner, Justin 0.49
Valdespin, Jordany 0.49
Wright, David 16
Rubin Tejada 0.49
Nieuwenhuis, Kirk 0.49
Lucas Duda 0.49
Harvey, Matt 0.49
Gee, Dillon 0.49
Niese, Jon 3
Dickey, R.A. 5
Santana, Johan 25.5
Francisco, Frank 6
Edgin, Josh 0.49
Bay, Jason 6
You got ARB for Thole, Davis and Parnell with 8 more spots to round out the 25 man roster. Cut Wright and Dickey out and payroll will be down to 44m. Hell the over over/under for payroll should be at 60m.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:05am at 10:05 am (UTC -4)
Bay at 6?
Maybe a little less with the deferrals, but surely the number is much higher than 6.
SaltyGary
11/27/2012-10:16am at 10:16 am (UTC -4)
What I understand it is a 21 million deferred contract with 15m of that being paid by 2015 in 5 installments. So they can do 6m this year and around 7.5 for 2014 and 2015.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-11:10am at 11:10 am (UTC -4)
Thanks; definitely had not seen that.
And how ’bout them 1st place, number 2 seed Brooklyn Nets?!?!
SaltyGary
11/27/2012-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
Wasn’t able to catch the game but was in CT all day and had WFAN on and was feeling the juice. Very fitting that it went into OT the way both teams have been playing. May have to get a Blatche jersey, he was drafted out of my HS, South Kent.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
It was a playoff-type game. Amazing. Blatche and Evans have been unreal. Amazing second team rebounding and defense.
The Nets’ defense has been the biggest surprise. 2nd least points allowed, and the last three games they really stepped it up in the 4th quarter.
I think the Knicks may have been playing a bit over their head with the 8-1 start. And the Nets are just starting to gel.
Really, if they both can continue like this, NYC basketball will get the biggest shot in the arm in decades; really since the great Knick and Net title teams of the 1970s.
A Net-Knick conference finals would probably give me a heart attack.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
They are probably not going to sign him, which is the right move.
It is the right move, although for the wrong reasons and due to the wrong factors.
For once, Wilpon poverty and duplicity will result in something positive happening.
Unless, of course, they get nothing for him, which surely could happen a la Reyes.
Regardless,and sorry to be repetitive, but if there was a “PLAN” Wright would have already been being shopped vigorously to try to get the best possible market going for him.
Let’s hope this happens at the Winter Meetings.
SaltyGary
11/27/2012-10:18am at 10:18 am (UTC -4)
Yea I think this is a very strong contract offer. 16.6m for the next six years is overpaying him IMO. At his age it is silly to invest anymore than that but the problem is I don’t see they turning the money saved into investments in other areas.
srt
11/27/2012-10:07am at 10:07 am (UTC -4)
Very reasonable offer, but one I’m afraid he won’t take. I have a feeling he was probably looking for another year or two and another couple of million per year.
I still think they’ll get the deal done. Call it a hunch but I’m thinking Wright is more interested in staying a Met that Reyes ever was.
Time will tell.
Stick
11/27/2012-11:49am at 11:49 am (UTC -4)
I still think that deal was done and in the can before he was even a FA. Happened way too fast. Probably used Hanley as the bagman!
Most likely Reyes already had his south beach place all picked out and everything.
TX
11/27/2012-10:37am at 10:37 am (UTC -4)
Seriously? The only picture of Wright you can find is him with the Gazoo helmet on? Too Funny.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-10:40am at 10:40 am (UTC -4)
I liked the one I used for my recent post with him surrounded by Playmates.
TRS86
11/27/2012-10:42am at 10:42 am (UTC -4)
I try to find the strangest ones I can. I was going to use the one with him incredibly intoxicated but it wasn’t the right size.
kingman 26
11/27/2012-11:03am at 11:03 am (UTC -4)
The vertical/landscape one where he is with the hot blonde? I think I was going to use that one too!
Prismo
11/27/2012-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
This is what I don’t understand – the Mets have had about a month since the World Series ended to make Wright an offer.
While I think $6/100MM is a totally reasonable starting point for a contract…why did it take them a full month to offer that? I think we all know that any offer literally a dollar under $100 million would be laughed off the negotiation table by Wright. And as for Wright’s hypothetical counter-offer, I think 7/$140MM is about the max they ever would consider putting out there.
So why did it take a full month for that offer to come out? I’m being patient, and I still have no idea what will happen, but the timetable makes no sense to me.
TX
11/27/2012-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
It’s tough to talk on the phone, take notes and sip a frosty beverage all at the same time. Plus I hear that cell phone service is spotty at best in the Caribbean…
Stick
11/27/2012-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
there was no real hurry? And if I have this straight (and I admit I did not do any actual research!) this is just the “formal on paper offical” written offer. They obviously have been talking 9both sides said so) and that has to have included terms bandied about.