Ed Coleman of Sports Radio 660 WFAN is reporting that David Wright has agreed to terms on a contract extension.
We will update as more news comes out.
Eddie Coleman (@metswfan) confirms live on @wfan660: David Wright’s extension with #Mets is 7-years, $122M. Total contract: 8-years, $138M.
— WFAN Sports Radio (@WFAN660) November 30, 2012
UPDATE: 2:55AM – Ed Coleman called into WFAN to update some of the details on Wright’s contract extension. Coleman says that the Wright deal is for 7 years $122M which combined with the $16M Wright was due to get this season comes out to 8 years $138M. In total it would exceed the $137.5M that Santana received making Wright the highest paid Met ever. Coleman added that he believes some money is deferred and at one point the deferred money was as high as $20M but that it is considerably lower now. How much lower though he did not know.
152 comments
Rustyjr
11/30/2012-4:50am at 4:50 am (UTC -4)
If true I’m very happy
srt
11/30/2012-7:50am at 7:50 am (UTC -4)
Good news, IMO.
Now let’s lock up Dickey.
srt
11/30/2012-7:51am at 7:51 am (UTC -4)
Good news, IMO.
Now let’s lock up RA.
srt
11/30/2012-7:54am at 7:54 am (UTC -4)
Ha! I liked it so much, I commented twice.
Using my tablet and it said my comment failed….strange.
wanny
11/30/2012-8:17am at 8:17 am (UTC -4)
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
if he repeated 2012 season in ’13, i truly believe wright is $20M-plus player on open market. #mets
22m Jon Heyman Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
but i give Wright mega-credit. he is a loyal guy. stayed with mets despite rough last few years, as he said he wanted to.
Jon Heyman Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
wright extension ($122M, 7 yrs) is like holliday 120/7 (via @JoeStrauss) & beltran $119/7 8 yrs ago! GREAT deal for mets!!!
srt
11/30/2012-8:26am at 8:26 am (UTC -4)
Over the past couple of days, as the rumors of the offer became public, I’ve read very little negative analysis about it not being a good deal from most of the analysts from MLB, Heyman, etc.
Only negatives I’m reading are from some Met fans themselves. Sure, could have possibly got some very nice prospects back. But prospects are a crap shoot, same as Wright’s later years with this contract will be.
I remember Grave doing a lengthy post detailing some of the more well known star for prospect trades in recent history. Overwhelmingly, those prospects didn’t work out.
wanny
11/30/2012-8:25am at 8:25 am (UTC -4)
though i am in the “trade the vets camp” i will say that the good part of this deal is that since wright’s average annual value only inches up from the 16 he was due to make this year, the mets will still get the full benefit of the value saved when santana and bay’s deal are officially and completely off the books. so it seems free agents next year are a reasonable possibility.
SaltyGary
11/30/2012-8:58am at 8:58 am (UTC -4)
Plus this guy brings in more value from off the field contributions. I look at it as a long term investment. Now if they want to have this investment pay off in the short term they better put some bodies around him.
Stickguy
11/30/2012-8:39am at 8:39 am (UTC -4)
I am anxiously awaiting the upcoming 20,000 word missive from Knog on this later today. Should be a classic.
Well, I wanted him traded to shake things up, but I never do get what I want. But at an AAV of 17.25mill (before deferrals), it really is not that bad relative to what top players get. Hell, if Upton is worth 15, than Wright is worth 17 in NY.
THe years are a bit long. Just have to hope he stays healthy and productive later in his 30s. But, also have to hope that 5 years from now, it will not be a big deal.
Basically, he signed to replace the Bay deal, not the much larger Santana one, on an annual basis.
SaltyGary
11/30/2012-8:59am at 8:59 am (UTC -4)
I bet he’s pulled a all-niter sipping on some knob creek. Should be a classic.
Stickguy
11/30/2012-9:05am at 9:05 am (UTC -4)
just wait and see what happens if the next announcement is they traded Dickey. Oh Boy.
TX
11/30/2012-9:24am at 9:24 am (UTC -4)
My plan of signing Wright and Trading Dickey is slowly coming together…
Stick
11/30/2012-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
I love it when a plan comes together!
greggofboken
11/30/2012-9:26am at 9:26 am (UTC -4)
The deferrals, if Eddie C is correct, have been greatly minimized (Beltran’s and Santana’s were $5M per year — DW’s were apparently in the $3M range and it sounds like they’ll be even less).
Still…the fact that they’re in there at all…and that the contract is backloaded reminds us of who’s pulling the strings here….and how little they’ve learned.
“I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.”
Still….good deal for the Mets and for Wright.
TRS86
11/30/2012-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
While true it can make an issue later, IF the Mets plan well (which I know is a big if) they can actually save money by deferring the contract. Just take maybe 1M and put it in the bank each year and let it earn interest and you should have enough to pay the deferments later.
greggofboken
11/30/2012-9:38am at 9:38 am (UTC -4)
That is what they did with Bonilla (among others), though their version of the bank was Bernie Madoff. Appealing (or too good to be true, take your pick) because of the rate of return. In my view, the Mets’ financial planning acuity has earned a vote of no confidence. (I’m also concerned about whether any deferral gets booked in the year he plays….or whether it deducts from future payroll budgets. I don’t know.)
TRS86
11/30/2012-9:55am at 9:55 am (UTC -4)
True, their past makes me worry. However, if the Wright deal backfires there will be new ownership anyway
Stickguy
11/30/2012-8:40am at 8:40 am (UTC -4)
Oh, now that this is done, we get to see if the FO has the faintest intent of actually trying to improve the team, since all they have done so far is guarantee the same mediocrity for many years to come.
Dickey is either signed or traded within the week. I vote that they will now sign him, and call the off season done, and stake out the nice beach in Aruba. The Mai Tais are waiting!
wanny
11/30/2012-11:28am at 11:28 am (UTC -4)
that’s not true. the annual contract value is only about a million and half more than he was to paid this year anyway. so the money freed up from santana and bay will be able to be re0invested in new players, rather than partially tied up in david wright.
Prismo
11/30/2012-9:16am at 9:16 am (UTC -4)
I think Heyman is absolutely right that David would’ve been offered ~$20 million on the open market. I don’t think it would’ve been for 7 or 8 years though. Maybe 5. So a 5 year/$100MM contract. But who knows.
I definitely think paying ~$17 million per year is extremely fair for a player of Wright’s talent and leadership.
Now let’s lock up Dickey, trade away some of our excess pitching/3B prospects for OF/C prospects/players and look forward to our awesome rotation this season and spending more money next off-season.
Stickguy
11/30/2012-9:20am at 9:20 am (UTC -4)
Let me fix that last part for you.
“Now let’s lock up Dickey, grab a plane to Aruba, do absolutely nothing else and look forward to our awesome rotation this season and spending no money next off-season.”
There. Much better!
Prismo
11/30/2012-9:21am at 9:21 am (UTC -4)
You think the payroll in 2014 will be $70 million? O_o
TX
11/30/2012-9:36am at 9:36 am (UTC -4)
I’m pretty sure you are correct in Trading away 3B prospects. Or at the very least, Flores better get his 2B glove oiled up.
TRS86
11/30/2012-9:27am at 9:27 am (UTC -4)
Well as I have said all along you only do this if you are willing to do what it takes to surround him with major league talent. Otherwise it’s wasted as no one player can carry an entire team.
That being said, I thought it curious that two different shows on MLBN radio had all 4 host say that Wright took a hometown discount and they all expected him to sign for no less than 20+M a year. Jim Memolo and Jeff Nelson put it they believe that he basically took 3-5M less to stay in NY. Now let me for one say that he isn’t losing any money staying in NY. The extra money he gets in marketing and not having to move? That most likely makes up for any salary he might have lost. Also he has the security of what might have happened if he had stunk it up this year. Just thought it was interesting how neutral baseball minded people view the deal.
TX
11/30/2012-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
Not having to move? He probably just bought a house in every baseball city.
TRS86
11/30/2012-9:49am at 9:49 am (UTC -4)
TX I know it’s difficult for us to think like rich people, LOL but with the real-estate market the way that it is if he had to move it could cost him a ton of money. Again, enough for him to break the bank? No. But enough to combine with the fact of marketing to make the 3-5M he gave up worth it.
TX
11/30/2012-9:59am at 9:59 am (UTC -4)
Honestly, he ain’t hurting for cash and it NYC. At the largest inconvenience, he’ll have to sublet for a while.
TRS86
11/30/2012-10:02am at 10:02 am (UTC -4)
Dang, I think you been with me reading too many other blogs. You still missing my point.
All I am saying is that the 3-5M that he might have taken in hometown discount might be made up in other areas.
TX
11/30/2012-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
I get your point. I’m just giddy that David’s dimples will be on 3B for many a moon to come, so I felt compelled to mess with you. Just a little bit, any way.
TRS86
11/30/2012-10:12am at 10:12 am (UTC -4)
LOL, isn’t that about the most appalling thing you have read? Seriously I don’t know why I get so defensive about SRT. I guess there’s a reason she’s the first lady of Mets blogs.
Prismo
11/30/2012-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
TX, I think that TRS is attempting to gently proclaim the large nature of David’s manhood.
“making up for the lower salary in OTHER AREAS”
Yeah, I’m onto you buddy.
srt
11/30/2012-10:21am at 10:21 am (UTC -4)
Ah…that’s why I love this site and you guys.
kingman 26
11/30/2012-4:35pm at 4:35 pm (UTC -4)
TRS I feel the same way.
First of all, in that respect I am old-fashioned and chivalrous.
Secondly, how many women are as into baseball as she is?
Thirdly, she rocks the f***ing world and this place is brightened by her presence.
So I got your back homey when The Core comes after you armed with the mind of an addled child and the statistical support of a third-rate 1939 book on understanding baseball.
SaltyGary
11/30/2012-4:53pm at 4:53 pm (UTC -4)
NO ONE MESSES WITH MY SRT. NO ONE!!!!!!
srt
11/30/2012-9:40am at 9:40 am (UTC -4)
I said yesterday over on that other blog that I’m willing to bet if this was Wright’s FA year, there would be no less than 4 GMs willing to offer him a bigger contract than the Mets did.
I think this contract is very reasonable, for both sides – considering. Upwards 20 MIL or 20 MIL + would have been a big overpayment, IMO.
TRS86
11/30/2012-9:29am at 9:29 am (UTC -4)
And yes I do agree that now is the time to test the trade waters for Dickey.
Although if they re-sign him why not look at something for less money but more years? I know it could be risky but instead of 2/26 ish what about 4/32? Gives him his lifetime contract and doesn’t hurt the current budget as badly?
Prismo
11/30/2012-9:34am at 9:34 am (UTC -4)
What does a lifetime contract mean for Dickey? He’s already older than the end of Wright’s “lifetime contract” – haha!
Maybe Wright should learn the knuckleball in 5 years…
TX
11/30/2012-9:30am at 9:30 am (UTC -4)
At the very least, we all can be excited that there is resolution. Now we get to move on to the Dickey Saga.
As for Wright, I’m glad we have our Mr. Met of this generation. As mentioned above, the overall money isn’t bad on a per year basis. And I know we will all not be liking his last year production, but if the team is truly and utterly dependent upon him putting up monster numbers 7 years from now, we will have one sorry excuse for a GM.
Now, be it the Royals, Blue Jays, Angels or Rangers… Start lining up your best offers. Sandy’s listening on offers for his Dickey.
Prismo
11/30/2012-9:48am at 9:48 am (UTC -4)
No matter how you feel about it, what’s done is done. Time to move on and discuss how to better the current team – which includes Wright for many many years to come.
TRS86
11/30/2012-9:53am at 9:53 am (UTC -4)
Guys I will say I pretty much called this exact deal earlier.
When reports came out it was 6/100 and Wright “wanted” 7/140 and people were saying they were worlds apart and Wright was greedy I said that it was posturing from both sides and a deal would get done in the middle somewhere around
7/128 factoring in the difference in 16.5M per and 20M per which would place it around 18M a year.
Overall, if they were going to sign him this was about as good as you could expect.
TRS86
11/30/2012-9:54am at 9:54 am (UTC -4)
Trumbo! TRumbo! TRUmbo! TRUMbo! TRUMBo! TRUMBO!!!!!
TX
11/30/2012-10:00am at 10:00 am (UTC -4)
And a BP arm! Can’t forget that. Have them throw in Walden.
TRS86
11/30/2012-10:08am at 10:08 am (UTC -4)
Sounds good to me. Maybe you could somehow expand it to get the Endy Chavez like Burgous or however you spell it.
wanny
11/30/2012-11:30am at 11:30 am (UTC -4)
trumbo stinks.
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
I guess offensively you aren’t a big Ike fan either.
wanny
11/30/2012-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
Whether he is similar to Ike or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether it make sense to trade for him.
In any event, there are few similarities. Ike has much better plate discipline and the willingness to draw a walk. Not even close.
wanny
11/30/2012-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
Not to mention that Trumbo has no business playing OF.
TRS86
11/30/2012-10:10am at 10:10 am (UTC -4)
Guys I don’t have time to write a story today and it would get lost anyway but what about going back to that idea of Johan for Vernon Wells? Anyone interested? Considering Johan’s deferments the difference in salary is negligible and you might be able to get a prospect in the deal.
srt
11/30/2012-10:22am at 10:22 am (UTC -4)
Does Johan have a no trade clause?
TRS86
11/30/2012-10:25am at 10:25 am (UTC -4)
I am sure he does but I am also not sure that really matters in Johan’s situation. If a team actually wanted him considering he is a FA at the end of the season he might jump on the chance and the Angels are gonna be desperate for pitching if they don’t get Greinke.
srt
11/30/2012-10:33am at 10:33 am (UTC -4)
True, but I think I’d rather take my chances with Johan and the health of his arm than Wells, especially if the money is kind of a sunk cost anyway.
No doubt in my mind that if Johan comes out of the gate healthy and pitches even relatively good, they’ll be looking to move him at the trade deadline. Just about the time Wheeler should be ready.
Prismo
11/30/2012-10:35am at 10:35 am (UTC -4)
I agree 4D. Would rather have Johan.
srt
11/30/2012-11:15am at 11:15 am (UTC -4)
And now I’ll admit to tapping into my emotional side of being a Met fan…..something about not seeing Johan pitch at least out of the gate for the start of the 2013 season after giving us the first no hitter is just sad….
TX
11/30/2012-10:26am at 10:26 am (UTC -4)
I think he has 10-5 rights.
SaltyGary
11/30/2012-10:43am at 10:43 am (UTC -4)
All set. The last thing this team needs is to baby sit another bad contract.
TX
11/30/2012-11:16am at 11:16 am (UTC -4)
Can anyone check on Adam Rubin’s twitter for me? I can’t get it from work and honestly, I’m not in the twitter world. New fangled doo dads and all that. Supposedly Dickey and the Mets have the basic framework on a 2 year deal in place, just hashing out final details.
So, assuming the offseason plan is the SRT approved plan of re-sign Wright/Dickey… Now what? Can they package some kiddos for an OF? Look to snag someone on the FA market (of which there is not much)? Does this mean Hairston is coming back (please no.). Can Rickey still play and bat lead off?
srt
11/30/2012-11:23am at 11:23 am (UTC -4)
Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN
As for Dickey, I’m hearing he’ll accept 2-year deal. So it’s just meeting of minds on the money. Mets people seem confident it’ll get done.
The two years with R.A. Dickey would be on top of the $5M already owed in 2013, I strongly presume — making a new contract thru 2015.
Two years seems very reasonable demand for Cy Young winner. I know there’s still $ value for each year, but team can’t quibble with length.
And now R.A. is on the clock …
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/59048/and-now-r-a-is-on-the-clock?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
srt
11/30/2012-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Another tidbit from Rubin
David Wright’s new eight-year deal worth nearly $140 million will not become official until a physical. And that physical will not take place until next week, according to a source familiar with the plan. That’s because Wright and teammates are in Jacksonville, Fla., this weekend for the wedding of Daniel Murphy.
TX
11/30/2012-11:24am at 11:24 am (UTC -4)
Ah, so it’s not as far progressed along as I read it to be. And yes, it’s Dickey time. Cover your eyes SRT. (Trade Dickey)
wanny
11/30/2012-11:32am at 11:32 am (UTC -4)
Dickey needs a new agent.
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:27am at 11:27 am (UTC -4)
I have already said this but things completely change if they re-sign Dickey. It means they have to do more THIS off-season otherwise why would you sign the guy? That means either by FA or trade they have to upgrade either CF or RF. Heading to battle with Duda, Kirk and Baxter/V-Spin is enough to get me to hop on the anti-Alderson bandwagon.
Hank
11/30/2012-11:38am at 11:38 am (UTC -4)
I think they’re moving Dickey or Niese. All we can do is hope for the best.
wanny
11/30/2012-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
I really don’t like the idea of moving Niese. But I will wait to see the return before complaining.
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:43am at 11:43 am (UTC -4)
Man it better be Dickey then. It would be foolish as hell to trade your only LH starter in the organization who is signed long-term and cheap and instead keep a 38 year old for 3 more years.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:14pm at 12:14 pm (UTC -4)
except Dickey is right now, and likely will be in 2013, a better pitcher.
so it needs to come down to what really gets you what you need.
for the reasons it would hurt to trade Neise, other teams will want him. And if they can approach a Gio level return for him, then you have to bite the bullet.
have to give to get! and when things are bad, you often have to take a risk (go big or go home).
There was a lot of talke yesterday about KC, and their prospects, and what they would give for Dickey. Well, substitute Neise, and are you getting something better?
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
You might get something better but again you are really damaging the future past the next 3 years.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:33pm at 12:33 pm (UTC -4)
3 years is an eternity at this point.
you never know what will happen. Hell, 3 years from now, Dickey could be a 2 time Cy young winner, and Neise could be close personal friends with Dr. Andrews.
sometimes you roll the dice and it comes up craps! And sometimes you roll a 7.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:41pm at 12:41 pm (UTC -4)
you are also looking only at 1 side of the equation (Dickey vs. Neise, and it is also possible Dickey gets extended again).
But, what if you add a guy like Myers, and 3 years from now he is outpacing Stanton, and duelling Harper for MVP? If you hit that jackpot, your future is much brighter.
Hank
11/30/2012-12:35pm at 12:35 pm (UTC -4)
If they want Niese the Mets need to net Myers and more. Ideally Sal perez and Myers and I’ll drive Niese there myself, but it’s not happening. I love Niese. I think he will continue to improve. However, Myers could be a legit 30HR RH OFer. Those do not grow on trees. I’m not as worried about the pitching because the kids are coming along just fine. And freed up money can help bring in veteran arms if needed.
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:39pm at 12:39 pm (UTC -4)
Hank I believe IF I traded Niese it would have to be for proven guys. Too dangerous for prospects unless they are of course of Trout levels, LoL.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:43pm at 12:43 pm (UTC -4)
prospects need to be either the dipped their toe in the majors already, or are widely considered ready for the show (like Myers seems to be). Or that Perez guy.
No way you can do it for another 20 YO SP in A ball (like Wheeler). At least not alone.
perez + a wheeler type? that could be interesting.
TX
11/30/2012-11:47am at 11:47 am (UTC -4)
Agreed. And I really do hope they don’t move Niese. Yeah, I know he is no Santana in his prime, but he is above average, young, has a team friendly contract and is the rotation’s only lefty. Unless you were getting back something amazing (like a Wil Myers and another as just an example), I think that Dickey ends up being the odd man out on the rotation, based on what we could expect to see in return.
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
I honestly expect Niese to take the next step and become a low 3′s ERA 200 inning pitcher this year. Combine that with the fact of a cheap contract and LH? Sorry, it’s gonna take more than anyone is most likely willing to deal.
TX
11/30/2012-11:55am at 11:55 am (UTC -4)
I’m with you, my man. It’ll take a Gio-esque type return to get Niese from the Mets.
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:06pm at 12:06 pm (UTC -4)
That might still not get it done for me. Remember those guys were just prospects who did well in the first year. This isn’t Oakland either it’s NY and we know Niese can pitch here and is cheap and signed long-term. It would take a HUGE return that like I said no one in their right mind woudl give.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:16pm at 12:16 pm (UTC -4)
Dayton Moore is usually not accused of being in that, so there is a chance.
my guess?
They sign dickey because the deal is too good to pass up.
They shop neise, and if a GM caves with a monster package, they trade him. If not, they keep him, and trade some prospects/sign filler FAs to try and survive 2013, counting on the rotation to carry them.
Stick
11/30/2012-11:51am at 11:51 am (UTC -4)
well, I don’t think this is a real “win now” deal, which to me would mean you only have your key guys for 1, 2 years tops. They really could look at this as locking in a piece to build with in 2014, 15, 16.
so yes, they need to make an attempt to compete in 2013, but it won’t be at the expense of building for 2014.
or look at it this way. after 2013, they were going to have money free and need invest in some upper tier talent. The FA pool was likely to suck. And now they have locked up what would have been the (or one of the) top FAs at a market value or below AAV.
TX
11/30/2012-11:52am at 11:52 am (UTC -4)
the FA SP pool is fairly deep for 2014. Now, if only that wasn’t the teams strength already….
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:53am at 11:53 am (UTC -4)
Sorry Stick I think if they re-sign Dickey they have to make moves to compete no later than 2014. Otherwise you just took one of your best chips and turned him into a stop-gap.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:00pm at 12:00 pm (UTC -4)
I said 2014, so we agree there. I was talking about this does not really change anything for 2013.
you wanted big moves after 2013, when the team if flush and limber? Well, this was your first one!
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:05pm at 12:05 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, I still say trade Dickey.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:17pm at 12:17 pm (UTC -4)
so do I, but I also said trade Wright, so obviously Sandy is not paying attention.
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:21pm at 12:21 pm (UTC -4)
Honestly Stick while I have my reservations about Wright, I think with the details of this deal it really was the right move by the Mets.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:50pm at 12:50 pm (UTC -4)
I can agree with that. I never had high hopes for my blow the mother up plan anyway. I guess I just need some excitement after the last 2 years of doing nothing.
and the more I look at this team, to accomplish anything passing for major change, foundation building, or plugging holes, either Dickey or Neise need to go.
Stick
11/30/2012-11:34am at 11:34 am (UTC -4)
a 2 year extension for reasonable money for Dickey is pretty much a no brainer. If anything, without a NTC, it makes him even more tradeable IMO. Unless they have some kind of arrangemnet with him.
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
I think he commented on the fact that if he signs a relatively friendly team deal he would want a NTC.
Stick
11/30/2012-11:54am at 11:54 am (UTC -4)
that would make sense. but there are always ways around that. It really just means that he can only be traded someplace he is OK with.
wanny
11/30/2012-11:36am at 11:36 am (UTC -4)
whether you agree this was the right move or not, you have to give sandy credit for getting it done on pretty reasonable terms.
ownership may have determined to keep him rather than trade him anyway.
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:37am at 11:37 am (UTC -4)
Agreed, it could be said that it was team friendly but I don’t think you could say the other way and say it was a vast overpaying past market value.
Stick
11/30/2012-11:56am at 11:56 am (UTC -4)
agreed. I think that it was the owners saying to sign him (Sandy I bet could have gone either way), but with that said, Sandy seems to have worked out a reasonable deal for both sides. IOW, he did not drop his shorts like some people were screaming for (give him anything!)
darknova306
11/30/2012-11:41am at 11:41 am (UTC -4)
Ah, so they really do get to go the status quo of mediocrity route. Gotta love this team. Sigh…
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:46am at 11:46 am (UTC -4)
Don’t you think it will depend on what they do now Dark? I feel your fears of doing this and heading out for the next 7 years but lets wait and see.
darknova306
11/30/2012-12:23pm at 12:23 pm (UTC -4)
I know. I’m firmly convinced that this is a p.r. move to keep fans, though. Whether or not I’m right, we’ll see. I just really wanted to see them commit to change and really building a team, but this move keeps their plan ambiguous.
Stepping away from rationality for a second… it’s the Mets. They never do anything I want and will always disappoint me. They’re committed to mediocrity. Huzzah.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:31pm at 12:31 pm (UTC -4)
I agree that there was a large PR compenent to this.
On the bright side, at least he is a really good player, and if you went out to replace him on the open market, it likely costs you just as much, if not more.
the AAV is actually reasonable (as much as any salary in MLB is). It is really the years that can become worrisome.
but, he was not signing for 5/88, which is about what his contract would translate to on a shorter term.
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:34pm at 12:34 pm (UTC -4)
Actually what no one is mentioning yet is the AAV is less than Reyes.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:48pm at 12:48 pm (UTC -4)
I was about to correct you, until I did the math. You are correct, it is 18 vs. 17.25.
maybe the team really is just cheap and not racist after all!
It is true that in the realm of MLB FA contracts, wright is relatively a bargain, and it is only the potential of the last couple years biting you in the ass that makes it a worrisome deal. And you can consider those the face of the franchise bonus!
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
Actually it’s less than that. It’s something like 17.667 to 17.25 LOL.
gategem
11/30/2012-1:51pm at 1:51 pm (UTC -4)
NOVA you echo the sentiment of many rationale Mets fans.
Stick
11/30/2012-11:57am at 11:57 am (UTC -4)
you are both right. At the moment, I side with Nova. But we do have to see what happens now and after 2013. If this team does not look radically different OD 2014, then we really are F$cked for the rest of the decade!
TRS86
11/30/2012-11:42am at 11:42 am (UTC -4)
Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette
DWright deferred payments are not anywhere near the Santana deferments. Santana’s was 30 mil over 6 years. DW – are closer to half that
Stick
11/30/2012-11:58am at 11:58 am (UTC -4)
on AAV, Wright is making a boatload less. Even with the deferrals. hell, it took 2 extra years to catch up to the total value of the deal!
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:18pm at 12:18 pm (UTC -4)
Guys on MLBN this morning said they wouldn’t be surprised to see the Mets hold off on signing Dickey until Grienke signs and then see what the offers are.
Stick
11/30/2012-12:28pm at 12:28 pm (UTC -4)
makes sense from a business standpoint. But I have not seen (though I don’t really pay attention!) that he is in danger of signing soon.
there certainly is an advantage of dealing with contracts a year before FA.
TX
11/30/2012-12:53pm at 12:53 pm (UTC -4)
Cross Trumbo off your list, TRS. Tommy Hansen to the Angels.
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:54pm at 12:54 pm (UTC -4)
CRAP!!! Well they still need 2 SP so keep hope alive.
TX
11/30/2012-12:55pm at 12:55 pm (UTC -4)
Hansen for Walden? I can’t be reading this correct. There has to be more going to ATL.
TRS86
11/30/2012-1:02pm at 1:02 pm (UTC -4)
I would think so too. However, I read this on Twitter:
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
Braves-Angels Trade: Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden deal has as much to do with which one isn’t going to break down than it does talent
TX
11/30/2012-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
plus Walden isn’t arb eligble until 2016. I still think the Angels came out on top with this one, though.
TRS86
11/30/2012-12:55pm at 12:55 pm (UTC -4)
Is it just me or does it appear the Braves got hosed in that deal? It’s gotta be for more than just that.
TRS86
11/30/2012-1:04pm at 1:04 pm (UTC -4)
Nope:
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
The Angels-Braves trade is one-for-one….Walden for Hanson…#confimred
srt
11/30/2012-1:09pm at 1:09 pm (UTC -4)
The only thing I can think of is the Braves know something more about Hanson’s arm than is common knowledge.
But aren’t all these trades contingent on physicals?
(Unless you’re Omar and want to trade for JJ Putz….)
TRS86
11/30/2012-1:16pm at 1:16 pm (UTC -4)
Yeah, but obviously the Angels know that if the Braves are willing to trade him for Walden then there must be something else which leads to maybe the Angels know more about Walden’s injuries or abilities lol….
kingman 26
11/30/2012-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
All I know is that I have it from good sources that SRT adds nothing to the conversation, is a waste of space, and should shut up!
LOL!
SRT, you are so much better than they are.
srt
11/30/2012-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
And here I thought that we were about 40 years past the mindset of you have to have the ‘right equipment’ to understand baseball.
Prismo
11/30/2012-1:55pm at 1:55 pm (UTC -4)
You do need the right equipment 4d – a brain. Unfortunately many of those cavemen are lacking one.
kingman 26
11/30/2012-2:05pm at 2:05 pm (UTC -4)
HAHAHA Prismo. GREAT comeback.
4D, I did not even get that far in my thinking. Everything about it is so wrong and ridiculous–rudeness, sexism, stupidity, and just, as I am fond of calling it, the aggressive ignorance I SO detest.
Those sadsack outcasts are not even remotely close to being worthy of being in your presence.
wanny
11/30/2012-2:06pm at 2:06 pm (UTC -4)
as keith law said yesterday re: hanson (before this trade was even announced), the inside of Hanson’s shoulder probably looks like hamburger meat.
Stick
11/30/2012-2:08pm at 2:08 pm (UTC -4)
bake me a coconut cream pie, dimple lover!
Stick
11/30/2012-2:11pm at 2:11 pm (UTC -4)
wanny, with BB players, there is selling high, selling low, and getting anything you can before they blow up.
srt
11/30/2012-2:22pm at 2:22 pm (UTC -4)
Wanny: then I have to think the Angels know what they’re getting.
Stick: If they only knew….I don’t cook, never learned how to cook. I could get them a beer from the fridge though…..
Stick
11/30/2012-2:31pm at 2:31 pm (UTC -4)
I would take it.
so let’s see, whatch baseball fanatically, know how to get beer from the fridge, and don’t cook.
I think you are more man than they are!
srt
11/30/2012-2:38pm at 2:38 pm (UTC -4)
hahaha – I am the maid around here so it’s a good trade off. I’d rather clean 2 houses than cook 1 meal any day.
And trust me, no one wants to eat anything I’d attempt to cook……
kingman 26
11/30/2012-4:32pm at 4:32 pm (UTC -4)
Damn SRT you are pretty perfect!
I would rather cook a 10-course meal from scratch than wash 10 dishes!
Prismo
11/30/2012-1:38pm at 1:38 pm (UTC -4)
Hey guys…what if we traded BOTH Dickey and Niese for D’Arnaud and Wil Myers.
C – D’Arnaud
1B – Davis
2B – Murphy
SS – Tejada
3B – Wright
LF – Duda
CF – Myers
RF – Valdy/Kirk/Baxter/doesntmatter
SP – Santana, Harvey, Wheeler, Gee, Mejia
Good lineup, rotation with a good ceiling. And the Mets have $8MM extra to play around with this offseason to either get a corner outfielder, a starting pitcher, or a couple high caliber relievers.
Just thinking unrealistically outside the box.
TX
11/30/2012-1:43pm at 1:43 pm (UTC -4)
That rotation may have a good ceiling, but the walls are currently very short!
Honestly, I would be very happy if they could turn Niese into Myers or Dickey into D’Arnuad. But only for either/or, not both.
Who is that pitcher from the A’s that has been busted up? McCarthy? I think I would make a run at him regardless. Would help soften the blow should Niese or Dickey get traded.
Prismo
11/30/2012-1:50pm at 1:50 pm (UTC -4)
Haha I agree. Pretty sure we’d be scrapping for the Schwindens of the system by June, probably in Santana’s spot.
But maybe you use that 8 mil to get a Kevin Correia (honestly I don’t know what salary he’s looking for, but he’s a decent starter) and you sign Mike Pelfrey to a minor league deal, who should be ready by summer.
I’m just trying to think outside the box – the Mets would never trade both those guys. But you have to admit, the potential of the middle of that lineup is pretty mouthwatering.
Prismo
11/30/2012-1:53pm at 1:53 pm (UTC -4)
Lineup:
Tejada (R)
Murphy (L)
Wright (R)
Davis (L)
Myers (R)
Duda (L)
D’Arnaud (R)
Right Fielder
Pitcher
TX
11/30/2012-2:00pm at 2:00 pm (UTC -4)
I think i like it because it actually has come true RH hitters in it! I’d love to see that lineup.
IF we thought Mejia could make it thru a season without falling to pieces…
IF Familia could get his head on straight and find some control…
IF McHugh turns into another Gee…
IF they would start fast tracking Fulmer…
IF Wheeler can truly be a #1
There is a heck of a lot of IFs, there, but assuming 2-3 of those 5 pan out, than I could see your plan working.
And honestly, there is a great deal of good to very good 2014 FA SPs. So, if you turn your surplus/needs around, making pitching a need going into 2014, you could realistically add that final, high end SP to your team for the 2014 season.
darknova306
11/30/2012-2:47pm at 2:47 pm (UTC -4)
“That rotation may have a good ceiling, but the walls are currently very short!”
I think this is a very important point that gets overlooked, especially by folks with the mentality of “the Mets are closer than everyone thinks” and “I don’t want to rely on questionable prospects from a Wright/Dickey trade”. Any possibility at serious contention for this team over the coming years will be heavily dependent on two talented pitching prospects. Most folks seem to have already established Harvey and Wheeler as hitting very high ceilings very soon and staying healthy, I hate to be the cynic (that’s a dirty lie) but we all know how likely that sort of thing is.
This team needs a ton of help and missed the boat on trading their best chip to restock the system with talent. We basically now need to pray that the pitching staff all stays healthy, hits our highest expectations, and enough fluke years by the rest of the team give them the push to back into a playoff spot sometime down the road.
Stick
11/30/2012-3:04pm at 3:04 pm (UTC -4)
obviously I am not a GM, but if I had to rank, I would have put neise and dickey ahead or Wright on the “most return” pecking order.
srt
11/30/2012-1:57pm at 1:57 pm (UTC -4)
I’m excited to see what kind of deals might be made next week at the winter meetings.
Of course, I’ll have to wait until late in the day to find out as I’ve got a summary for Jury Duty starting Tuesday
I’m contemplating saying ‘I’m prejudice against everyone – hang ‘em all!’, just so any lawyer questioning me for the jury will say ‘pass’ and I can go home.
Yeah, not very civic minded of me. The thought of sitting in a jury box all day is more than I can deal with.
wanny
11/30/2012-2:12pm at 2:12 pm (UTC -4)
the mets have some pretty good pitching depth (guys like tapia and montero and robles seem well regarded) but I don’t see how these guys could fetch someone realistic. these guys would be presumably attractive to someone trying to sell a contract that the Mets probably won’t buy.
seems like dickey and niese are the chips.
i’d bet niese is the one dealt, if any. trading cy young is bad in the papers.
Stick
11/30/2012-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
I agree that if you want to make any kind of significant change to the guys on the field, one of those 2 has to be the one to go. But no ay both are, unless I suppose 2 teams hit them up with too good to pass up offers at the same time.
If not, I bet they shop both, and figure out where the best return will be, and do that and keep the other.
Stick
11/30/2012-2:23pm at 2:23 pm (UTC -4)
if it is like in my county, you sit around in the waiting room all day, and may not even get called up to a courtroom. So you can spend the day surfing on the tablet, guilt free!
srt
11/30/2012-2:33pm at 2:33 pm (UTC -4)
I was wondering about that….wondering if they allowed internet connectivity in the jury waiting room.
I’ll be bringing my tablet so guess I’ll find out.
Stick
11/30/2012-3:02pm at 3:02 pm (UTC -4)
I think so. may not have wifi, depends on the courhouse, but if you have 3G it won’t matter. You just can’t bring it into the courtroom and surf there.
wanny
11/30/2012-2:26pm at 2:26 pm (UTC -4)
SRT — if you get selected on one of my cases you will probably spend 3 or 4 weeks in a jury box. Wear a pin that says SRT on it and I will know to let you go if you get called to one of my cases!
srt
11/30/2012-2:29pm at 2:29 pm (UTC -4)
Yikes! 3 or 4 weeks? I’m hoping to be done in 3 or 4 days.
It’s been exactly 33 years since I was last summoned for jury duty. I spent 4 days on a jury dealing with malpractice. I swear the only reason the 2 guys voting ‘not guilty’ changed their vote late Thur. afternoon to guilty was b/c there was a major snowstorm predicted for overnight into Friday and no one wanted to come back the following week to finish up.
srt
11/30/2012-2:36pm at 2:36 pm (UTC -4)
It is petit jury though not grand jury. According to what I read, if you get on a jury, you’ll be there for the duration of that trial. Otherwise, it will be anywhere from 2-4 days you have to report just in case they need you.
I’ve been on vacation since Thanksgiving so my employer is not really thrilled that I might be out most of next week and then some serving jury duty. But as I pointed out, it wasn’t my choice. I’m just surprised it took them 33 more years to catch up to me again.
Stick
11/30/2012-2:55pm at 2:55 pm (UTC -4)
petit juror is what I get called to (at the county level). That is always stated as being 1 day or the duration of 1 trial. So if you get on a trial, you are stuck, but if you avoid it that day, you are free.
srt
11/30/2012-3:15pm at 3:15 pm (UTC -4)
My tablet is 3G so I’m good there.
And my county states a minimum of 2 days – after that you call for the 3rd and 4th day (if not already on a jury) to see if you have to report.
Hazmet
11/30/2012-9:42pm at 9:42 pm (UTC -4)
Oh yuck, Jury Duty. Last Jury Duty I had I had to schlep into Cadman Plaza in Brooklyn by the Bridge for 4 months every Wednesday. It was torture, about as deep as you can get into BKY before leaving and back to Nassau.. Grand Jury Duty absolutely sucked. Or as the saying goes, “any half way competent lawyer can get an indictment on a Ham Sandwich.”
Good luck, hopefully you get out of it.
gategem
12/1/2012-2:25am at 2:25 am (UTC -4)
Just casually mention that you believe every crime should be classified as a capital offense.
Stick
11/30/2012-2:25pm at 2:25 pm (UTC -4)
prismo, I am going to award you my first daily “blow this mother up” award.
of course, with DW signed, it is going to be a much smaller explosion, but you did go above and beyond the box my man.
srt
11/30/2012-2:27pm at 2:27 pm (UTC -4)
The Mets Are Not That Far Away
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-mets-are-not-that-far-away/
In conclusion:
‘So, I say good for the Mets on not giving up on their short term future. They just aren’t anywhere close to being bad enough to justify punting the next few years while they wait for the farm system to develop new stars to build around. They already have stars to build around. They can win with the ones they have now.’
Stick
11/30/2012-2:53pm at 2:53 pm (UTC -4)
that makes sense. hence the concept of being stuck in that gray area of mediocrity (neither really good or really bad). But, those are the teams that can pull an Orioles or A’s in any given year, have everything break right, and hit the playoffs.
gategem
12/1/2012-2:30am at 2:30 am (UTC -4)
Your statement is valid but mostly they remain at a level of mediocrity. It is more prevalent in Basket Ball where some teams remain in this mode ad infinitum.
TX
11/30/2012-2:40pm at 2:40 pm (UTC -4)
Stupid off topic junk.
The Twins outrighted right-hander Deolis Guerra to Triple-A
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#bsfmyV4MWCFmh3WZ.99
Decent K’s per 9. Bring him on back!
wanny
11/30/2012-2:45pm at 2:45 pm (UTC -4)
Jesus Flores is expected to be DFA too. Jesus would be a poor solution to the RH C position, but a solution nonetheless.
Stick
11/30/2012-3:01pm at 3:01 pm (UTC -4)
let’s get all the old prospects people freaked out about in the past back. Way to move forward! Though to some, anything that recreated the Omar glory days is a good thing.
TRS86
11/30/2012-4:58pm at 4:58 pm (UTC -4)
I hear some Angelic Devil is available too.
Mr North Jersey
11/30/2012-5:03pm at 5:03 pm (UTC -4)
R U going to repeat this every 10 minutes?